Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Bkk Brian]

23 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Doesn’t seem like the experts agree with you.

 

The top U.S. general on November 16 said the chances of any near-term military victory for Ukraine are not high unless the Russian military completely collapses, which he said is unlikely.

General Mark Milley, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that while the Ukrainian military has had important successes in Kharkiv and Kherson, Russia occupies 20 percent of Ukraine and still has significant combat power inside the country's territory.

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/us-general-ukrainian-military-successes-russia/32134708.html

He was not disputing with experts say though was he. Its quite obvious that there is no near term victory to be had by Ukraine and this will take a long time. Its also quite obvious that Ukraine has retaken a lot of territory with Russia now on the backfoot but they still retain a large proportion of territory and still retain a large amount of military hardware.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I didn’t make any assumptions but it seems to me that you are making lots of assumptions.

 

 I thought anti-missile systems were already in place since weeks? Ukraine has claimed to have shot down lots of missiles (could provide you with links in case you missed those reports) already. 

I take it you're now trolling, the is no iron dome over Ukraine that shoots down all missiles, more air defense is needed. Just because its intercepting the majority of incoming missiles, huge civilian infrastructure damage is being done daily.

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7 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I didn’t make any assumptions but it seems to me that you are making lots of assumptions.

 

 I thought anti-missile systems were already in place since weeks? Ukraine has claimed to have shot down lots of missiles (could provide you with links in case you missed those reports) already. 

Some anti-missile systems are in place. Has it occurred to you that there might be a difference between "some" and "enough"?

[darksidedog]

A reported troll post from an individual without the "mental capacity" to understand forum rules has been removed.

[Bkk Brian]

Ukraine war: 10 million without power after Russian strikes

On Thursday, Russia pounded Ukraine with a fresh missile barrage, hitting more energy installations and civilian buildings less than two days after one of its heaviest bombardments yet.

This has been a recent Russian tactic following setbacks on the battlefield, and its impact is starting to be felt more acutely.

People in Kyiv woke to a blanket of snow on Thursday morning, and the emergency power shutdowns have meant many do not have heating in their homes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63659370

 

EU chief: Russian attacks on civilian infrastructure in Ukraine are war crimes

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Wednesday called Russian attacks on Ukraine’s civilian infrastructure war crimes and echoed concerns about the impending winter season. 

“Russia’s attacks against civilian infrastructure, especially electricity, are war crimes. Cutting off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating with winter coming — these are acts of pure terror. And we have to call it as such,” von der Leyen said on Twitter. 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3695838-eu-chief-russian-attacks-on-civilian-infrastructure-in-ukraine-are-war-crimes/

[tgw]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Some anti-missile systems are in place. Has it occurred to you that there might be a difference between "some" and "enough"?

Ukraine indeed has some missile defense in place, and I guess Ruzzia knows if it were to fire its missiles in a continuous flow, most of them would be intercepted.
That's why, considering its dwindling supplies of cruise missiles, it launches them in the largest possible waves every handful of days in order to overwhelm Ukrainian air defense.

 

Western allies need to supply Ukraine with more air defense systems.
According to kievindependent.com, Israel was asked to provide air defense systems, but instead provides "funding for strategic materials". I don't really understand why Israel is so hesitant about supporting Ukraine.
https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/haaretz-israel-funds-strategic-materials-for-ukraine-under-us-pressure

 

Ukraine could also make good use of more Gepard AA tanks. These tanks are obsolete in Western countries, but there are still hundreds of them around, let's send them all to Ukraine to shoot down Iranian suicide drones, which they are ideally suited for.
 

Meanwhile, the disgusting Swiss government continues to block the delivery of ammunition for the Gepards:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerland-refuses-to-budge-on-german-ammunition-request-/48028348

Anyway, 12000 rounds of ammo is a ridiculously low number, since the Gepard fires 1100 rounds a minute.

So let's hope Germany or Poland already set up production lines for Gepard ammo.

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

If NATO did not send billions of dollars worth of arms to Ukraine, the war would have ended already. You and many others know this. You just can’t bring yourself to admit it.

 

Israel refuse to send arms. Italy might be next. If more countries follow suit, then the war might end soon, hopefully.

So you would have been okay with Russia taking all of Ukraine and establishing a reign of terror there? And then move on to the Baltic states to take those as well, or whatever else they fancied?

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4 hours ago, Saanim said:

Perhaps you missed my question: "Hasn't come to your unbiased mind even a slight doubt that the one side might not be perhaps always so angelic and that the other side might not be always so demonic?"

 

Last time you thanked me for sharing this article with you:

 

Russia has committed war crimes in Ukraine, say UN investigators

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/23/russia-has-committed-war-crimes-in-ukraine-say-un-investigators

[tgw]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

If NATO did not send billions of dollars worth of arms to Ukraine, the war would have ended already. You and many others know this. You just can’t bring yourself to admit it.

 

Israel refuse to send arms. Italy might be next. If more countries follow suit, then the war might end soon, hopefully.

I readily admit it.

Thank God the Free World is supporting Ukraine.

 

A peace where Ruzzia won is worse than war, not only for Ukraine but also because a Ruzzian victory would mean more war coming later from Ruzzia to other European countries. Ruzzia needs to be stopped (dead) in its tracks and durably neutralized so it won't be threat again anytime soon.

Edited November 18, 2022 by tgw

[rudi49jr]

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Last time you thanked me for sharing this article with you:

 

Russia has committed war crimes in Ukraine, say UN investigators

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/23/russia-has-committed-war-crimes-in-ukraine-say-un-investigators

There are literally thousands of witnesses, all telling the same gruesome stories of torture, rape and murder. Kherson was liberated just a couple of days ago, but already the Ukrainian army found several Russian torture chambers/dungeons, and dozens of bodies. Expect news of more torture chambers and dead bodies found soon. The Putin fan boys here can deny it all they want, but as far as I’m concerned these are FACTS. And facts don’t lie.

Edited November 18, 2022 by rudi49jr

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

I didn’t make any assumptions but it seems to me that you are making lots of assumptions.

 

 I thought anti-missile systems were already in place since weeks? Ukraine has claimed to have shot down lots of missiles (could provide you with links in case you missed those reports) already. 

Do you think anti-missile systems are perfect?  You really should improve your knowledge of such things before posting about them.

[bannork]

The cannon fodder air their grievances.

 

[bannork]

The man tells the truth so his microphones must fail.

 

[Saanim]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

Last time you thanked me for sharing this article with you:

 

Russia has committed war crimes in Ukraine, say UN investigators

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/23/russia-has-committed-war-crimes-in-ukraine-say-un-investigators

I asked about your doubts about trustworthy info of that what you read.

 

Anyway,  it seems that you - or your sources - do not say the whole story. Perhaps you should read what this week the Head of UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine Matilda Bogner reported:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/11/1130657

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Saanim said:

I asked about your doubts about trustworthy info of that what you read.

 

Anyway,  it seems that you - or your sources - do not say the whole story. Perhaps you should read what this week the Head of UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine Matilda Bogner reported:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/11/1130657

Refreshing to see that you count the UN as a reliable source. Nobody ever mentioned that Ukraine has been snow white and all links to UN sources take a balanced view based on investigations and evidence. You may also want to read my previous UN links. Plenty of them listing all war crimes.

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10 minutes ago, Saanim said:

I asked about your doubts about trustworthy info of that what you read.

 

Anyway,  it seems that you - or your sources - do not say the whole story. Perhaps you should read what this week the Head of UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine Matilda Bogner reported:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/11/1130657

Did you note that Russia doesn't allow access to Ukrainian POWs while Ukraine does allow access to Russian POW's. And as the report notes, the Russian soldiers were mostly badly treated in the early stages after their surrenders. So yes, both sides do it, but as the far more comprehensive report I cited shows, the Russians do it a lot more. And that they deny investigators access to their POW camps is absolutely damning. 

[Saanim]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Refreshing to see that you count the UN as a reliable source. Nobody ever mentioned that Ukraine has been snow white and all links to UN sources take a balanced view based on investigations and evidence. You may also want to read my previous UN links. Plenty of them listing all war crimes.

It has to get a real courage to write something what's not really "snow white" about Ukraine.

 

As was also the case few weeks ago about another UN official Dr Agnes Callamara being now Secretary General at Amnesty International. She apologized for the outrage it has caused to Ukraine officials, however, she did not retracted AI findings. 

Edited November 19, 2022 by Saanim

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Saanim said:

It has to get a real courage to write something what's not really "snow white" about Ukraine.

 

As was also the case few weeks ago about another UN official Dr Agnes Callamara being now Secretary General at Amnesty International. She apologized for the outrage it has caused to Ukraine officials, however, she did not retracted AI findings. 

No courage needed. Just evidence.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, tgw said:

the point is that most probably we won't know before the war is over.

 

Ukraine's interest is obviously to hold NATO to its word to "defend every square inch of NATO member countries' territory", that's why it wants the missile to have been Ruzzian-fired.

 

But NATO obviously doesn't want that, and since it doesn't want it, the investigation can only lead to one result: it won't be possible to prove that the missile which killed 2 persons in Poland was fired by Ruzzians.

To believe it was a deliberate attack by Russia on Poland one has to ask why Russia would risk war with NATO to blow up a grain silo?

Whatever the truth, NATO not getting involved in a war with Russia is a good thing, IMO.

[jvs]

Very disturbing detailed intercepted phone call from a Russian soldier

to his mother.She even said she is just like him,scary if you think about it.

 

 

[Mavideol]

19 hours ago, Saanim said:

Do you have a creditable link to your statement?

Putin claims he was ‘forced’ to invade Ukraine

by Rebecca Beitsch - 02/24/22 1:23 PM ET

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/595695-putin-claims-he-was-forced-to-invade-ukraine/

 

 

does that made your day 555

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To believe it was a deliberate attack by Russia on Poland one has to ask why Russia would risk war with NATO to blow up a grain silo?

Whatever the truth, NATO not getting involved in a war with Russia is a good thing, IMO.

just to keep you updated as it appears you questioned a previous post

Putin claims he was ‘forced’ to invade Ukraine

by Rebecca Beitsch - 02/24/22 1:23 PM ET

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/595695-putin-claims-he-was-forced-to-invade-ukraine/

[Mavideol]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To believe it was a deliberate attack by Russia on Poland one has to ask why Russia would risk war with NATO to blow up a grain silo?

Whatever the truth, NATO not getting involved in a war with Russia is a good thing, IMO.

sure Putin would never wanted to invade Ukraine, he loves Ukrainians   (Sarcasm intended)

Putin claims he treats Ukrainians with "warmth" while attacking Ukraine's energy sector

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-claims-treats-ukrainians-warmth-144400947.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

[Bkk Brian]

Russian provocation on NATO 

 

RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CONDUCT UNSAFE, UNPROFESSIONAL OVERFLIGHT OF NATO SHIPS IN BALTIC SEA

On the morning of Nov. 17, two Russian fighter aircraft made an unsafe and unprofessional approach toward Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 (SNMG1), which was conducting routine operations in the Baltic Sea.

The Russian pilots failed to respond to Allied forces’ standing query communications and overflew the force at an altitude of 300 feet and a distance of 80 yards.

NATO deemed the interaction unsafe and unprofessional since it was conducted in a known danger area, which was activated for air defence training, and due to the aircraft altitude and proximity. The interaction increased the risk of miscalculations, mistakes, and accidents.

 

https://mc.nato.int/media-centre/news/2022/russian-aircraft-conduct-unsafe--unprofessional-overflight-of-nato-ships-in-baltic-sea

[Saanim]

59 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To believe it was a deliberate attack by Russia on Poland one has to ask why Russia would risk war with NATO to blow up a grain silo?

Whatever the truth, NATO not getting involved in a war with Russia is a good thing, IMO.

Yeh, there were many who have believed that, wasn't it highly likely?  That's why Poland FM summoned the Russian ambassador and demanded immediate detailed explanations. 

[rudi49jr]

Russia Saturday blasted Warsaw’s refusal to allow Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to attend a meeting next month of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe as “unprecedented and provocative.”
 

Obviously they still don’t understand what a pariah they have become by starting a war against Ukraine. The one that Putin claims he was forced to start. 

 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/19/poland-barring-russias-lavrov-from-regional-security-talks-provocative-ministry-a79433

[rudi49jr]

The first train in nine months leaves Kyiv for Kherson.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/19/world/europe/train-kyiv-kherson-ukraine.html

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Mavideol said:

sure Putin would never wanted to invade Ukraine, he loves Ukrainians   (Sarcasm intended)

Putin claims he treats Ukrainians with "warmth" while attacking Ukraine's energy sector

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-claims-treats-ukrainians-warmth-144400947.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

Your reply to my post that you quoted has absolutely nothing at all to do with my post. Deflecting much?

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[Saanim]

14 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Russia Saturday blasted Warsaw’s refusal to allow Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to attend a meeting next month of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe as “unprecedented and provocative.”
 

Obviously they still don’t understand what a pariah they have become by starting a war against Ukraine. The one that Putin claims he was forced to start. 

 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/19/poland-barring-russias-lavrov-from-regional-security-talks-provocative-ministry-a79433

Paradoxically, the OSCE reports - even the ones from the February days before the war start - were not really favorable to Ukraine regime, were they?