Police charges against top cop’s Porsche driving son at the centre of fatal Bangkok car accident

[Andre0720]

41 minutes ago, pomchop said:

people who ride bikes without real helmets are DUMB

Here, wearing a helmet is OPTIONAL.

Teens make the road laws here, fight to maintain the power to do so, and are still winning the battle.

At that age, freshly out of childhood, finally free from obligation from adults, no more subject to the authority of adults, no more what seems to them as oppression, freedom finally.

Riding a motorbike includes a show of emancipation, free to make their own decisions, hair in the wind, large rings on their ears, tattoos, an adult now.

Freedom granted by authorities here, in which there is no respect, no fear.

Authorities are bowing down to the teens here...

[tandor]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

It is always the status of ones parents that are bandied about regardless. It is viewed by many including myself to indicate that the man will be able to have the best defense and then be let go scot-free after paying money to the mans family, just think OJ Simpson...... 

of course i agree, and that goes without saying too much...but it also makes me think these reckless drivers should know a lot better. Hopefully the high profile fathers provide them with professional training before being let loose on the unsuspecting public.

[4MyEgo]

28 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

That windscreen is 3 to 4mm thick.

That kind of damage could also occur a relatively low speed given the size and weigh of a grown man that impacted it.

Generally speaking, if a bike is hot at slow speed the rider would hit the ground, or be leaning against the bonnet, now when hit at high speed, nose of the car down due to excessive braking, the impact would catapult the rider up high enough to either land on the bonnet, windscreen, boot or the road behind the car.

 

As I mentioned before, this was from high speed, nothing to do with the riders weight, but your entitled to differ.

 

[koele2]

It’s fascinating how cops and generals can become the richest people in Thai society.  While in other countries, it’s business people or old money.  What do cops and generals here produce and generate that allows them to accumulate vast amounts of wealth?  They must be the most productive members of Thai society.  I did not realize how much money is generated in a job that requires you to protect civilians.  They don’t build anything, create anything, sell anything of value, teach anything, manufacture anything.  It is utterly amazing how wealthy they get protecting the Thai population.

[jacko45k]

13 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

Here, wearing a helmet is OPTIONAL.

Teens make the road laws here, fight to maintain the power to do so, and are still winning the battle.

At that age, freshly out of childhood, finally free from obligation from adults, no more subject to the authority of adults, no more what seems to them as oppression, freedom finally.

Riding a motorbike includes a show of emancipation, free to make their own decisions, hair in the wind, large rings on their ears, tattoos, an adult now.

Freedom granted by authorities here, in which there is no respect, no fear.

Authorities are bowing down to the teens here...

It's a nice little speech mate, but all demographics can be seen without a helmet here. 

[wombat]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

He is a "former" cop, he began a renewable power company and holds a PhD. in Public Administration.

 

Advance Asia Fiber Company Limited was founded by Police General Wirachai Songmetta(Ph.D.) and Mrs.Siriwan Damnernchanvanich Songmetta. AAF was established since November, 2010 with a registered capital of 1,200 million Baht (33 million USD). Our factory is located at Chok Chai, Nakorn Ratchasima, Thailand, and its annual production capacity is up to 90,000 cubic meters or 12 million sheets per year, which is currently the largest hardboard manufacturer in Thailand and South East Asia.

http://www.aaa-hardboard.com/about.php

Absolute Energy has 19 power stations

https://ace.listedcompany.com/misc/ar/20200528-ace-ar-2019-en.pdf

 

 

 

 

Thats a lot of brown envelopes to kick that off.

I could also be wrong and he has a rich spouse.

[Sydebolle]

I'm going back to bed, the script of the outcome of this case has been finished a decade ago; the little sunshine of the Red Bull empire ensured that.

Unclear to me though is, if "Police General Wirachai Songmetta is one of Thailand’s most respected police officers" (as quoted) or is respected here to be understood as feared - asking for a friend. 

[Reigntax]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

What's this i read? police are seriously charging a VIP, well connected high profile person? something is wrong there, wires cost crossed somewhere?...

There is a big difference between saying they will charge him to the media and actually doing it or following through with the prosecution.

 

The evidence will get lost in the brown envelopes sent from one department to another

[Ralf001]

23 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Generally speaking, if a bike is hot at slow speed the rider would hit the ground, or be leaning against the bonnet, now when hit at high speed, nose of the car down due to excessive braking, the impact would catapult the rider up high enough to either land on the bonnet, windscreen, boot or the road behind the car.

 

As I mentioned before, this was from high speed, nothing to do with the riders weight, but your entitled to differ.

 

Where is your proof ?

[Reigntax]

16 minutes ago, koele2 said:

It’s fascinating how cops and generals can become the richest people in Thai society.  While in other countries, it’s business people or old money.  What do cops and generals here produce and generate that allows them to accumulate vast amounts of wealth?  They must be the most productive members of Thai society.  I did not realize how much money is generated in a job that requires you to protect civilians.  They don’t build anything, create anything, sell anything of value, teach anything, manufacture anything.  It is utterly amazing how wealthy they get protecting the Thai population.

Some people collect stamps, others coins or even watches.

the west just doesnt understand the brown envelope trading market of Asian countries and especially the value of the sender or post makings.

Edited March 14, 2022 by Reigntax

[4MyEgo]

On 3/14/2022 at 8:11 AM, Ralf001 said:

Where is your proof ?

The same applies to you.

 

"That windscreen is 3 to 4mm thick.

That kind of damage could also occur a relatively low speed given the size and weigh of a grown man that impacted it".

 

 

Edited March 15, 2022 by metisdead
Trolling image removed.

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

people who ride bikes without real helmets are DUMB

Irrelevant comment. 

 

He could have been wearing a space suit and I reckon the guy would have died. Big impact 

 

[Andre0720]

20 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

It's a nice little speech mate, but all demographics can be seen without a helmet here. 

All demographics, yes of course.

Because everybody, young and old, men and women,  can now follow the road laws created by teens here.

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Police General Wirachai Songmetta is one of Thailand’s most respected police officers

I thought he was forced to resign in disgrace!

Edited March 14, 2022 by herfiehandbag

[RJRS1301]

21 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

I'm going back to bed, the script of the outcome of this case has been finished a decade ago; the little sunshine of the Red Bull empire ensured that.

Unclear to me though is, if "Police General Wirachai Songmetta is one of Thailand’s most respected police officers" (as quoted) or is respected here to be understood as feared - asking for a friend. 

Since he is no longer a police officer, immaterial. Has not been one for many years

[herfiehandbag]

55 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Perhaps needs to be judged by the courts, then punishment imposed by the courts carrying out the law?

A cynic ( with some years of observing such matters) would suggest that, if that is to be the case, the facts that he is an ex senior Policeman and is very wealthy carry considerable weight.

[Will B Good]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

What's this i read? police are seriously charging a VIP, well connected high profile person? something is wrong there, wires cost crossed somewhere?...

Relax......all smoke and mirrors......his blood tests will show he has never drunk anything but camomile tea (in his life!) and the victim will be found culpable for no rear lights and not wearing a helmet.......I can see the victim's family having to pay for the repairs to his car.

[crazykopite]

2 hours ago, Dukeleto said:

I have to ask this question as the information in the article is lacking. Was the motorcycle driver wearing a helmet? I ask this as it seems relevant. Granted the driver of the car has admitted to making a sudden lane change causing the accident and high speed was reported. I am just wondering though if the motorcycle driver was not wearing a helmet as the law requires him to do so and the result of death was due to injuries to his head that may not have occurred with the use of a helmet does this transfer some of the blame to the victim for the resultant death in a case like this? Also would the type of helmet also play a role? Does a plastic bucket or bicycle helmet qualify? I have seen both! Anyone who has driven in Thailand knows that having an accident with a motorbike is a fairly likely occurrence every time you are on the road. Most of the time those drivers are not wearing helmets and rarely obey any rules of the road. Does anyone know?

The helmets they sell in Thailand are useless it would not have protected him regardless ! no doubt every avenue will be explored was the deceased on overstay , did he have a work permit they will try everything to discredit the deceased .

[kimamey]

2 hours ago, Dukeleto said:

I have to ask this question as the information in the article is lacking. Was the motorcycle driver wearing a helmet? I ask this as it seems relevant. Granted the driver of the car has admitted to making a sudden lane change causing the accident and high speed was reported. I am just wondering though if the motorcycle driver was not wearing a helmet as the law requires him to do so and the result of death was due to injuries to his head that may not have occurred with the use of a helmet does this transfer some of the blame to the victim for the resultant death in a case like this? Also would the type of helmet also play a role? Does a plastic bucket or bicycle helmet qualify? I have seen both! Anyone who has driven in Thailand knows that having an accident with a motorbike is a fairly likely occurrence every time you are on the road. Most of the time those drivers are not wearing helmets and rarely obey any rules of the road. Does anyone know?

If he wasn't wearing a suitable helmet then I'd expect that to be used at the very least to get a reduced sentence. Probably non custodial.

[Swampy999]

1 hour ago, tandor said:

..i just fail to see what the relevance is by mentioning every time, the occupation of the driver's father. If his father was a renderer or noodle seller he wouldn't get a mention...same as the woman who was run over using the pedestrian crossing, if she had have been an everyday citizen, i doubt if there would be any newsworthy story.

How would you report it? Maybe, person dies in accident, police investigating.

As for the doctor that sadly died on the pedestrian crossing yep that made the news, so did the recent death of a purveyor of noodles.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

Please upload your kinematics study.

Give me the damage measurements on both vehicles as well as some more photos and I would be happy to assist you. Additionally, some photos of the injured body parts and torn clothing.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Reigntax said:

Some people collect stamps, others coins or even watches.

the west just doesnt understand the brown envelope trading market of Asian countries and especially the value of the sender or post makings.

The age of the envelope and its maker markings make it significant.

[ThailandRyan]

13 minutes ago, kimamey said:

If he wasn't wearing a suitable helmet then I'd expect that to be used at the very least to get a reduced sentence. Probably non custodial.

So the man's death was primarily his fault is what your saying.....there are some warped minds here...

[worgeordie]

Two days later , have they managed to give the driver a breathalyzer yet ?

regards Worgeordie

[ThailandRyan]

52 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Relax......all smoke and mirrors......his blood tests will show he has never drunk anything but camomile tea (in his life!) and the victim will be found culpable for no rear lights and not wearing a helmet.......I can see the victim's family having to pay for the repairs to his car.

Oh the sarcasm or this is a post based on reality. Better toss a coin...heads or tails...but better pick up the coin quickly if it falls and don't you dare step on it....the laws are the laws or are they.

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 hours ago, Card said:

In any case, the victim is a farang, a Pakistani Muslim probably, so move along please. Nothing to see here.

Pakistanis are not considered farang.

 

The slang term 'kek' is used to describe them by Thais. 

[Reigntax]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The age of the envelope and its maker markings make it significant.

Yes, its terrible to be so cynical no matter, unfortunately, how true it shall be proven correct.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

I thought he was forced to resign in disgrace!

No he was fired because he audiotape a senior general who told him to steer clear of the Big Joke shooting case.  He however was recently reinstated by the administrative court. Now whether he returns or not that's up to him, buy it would also entail a nice payment to him for the time he was off work.

[Old Croc]

Forgoing theories on demographics, kinetics, Lord of the Flies law making. lectures on glass thickness, flight trajectories of struck bike riders and rich men's "get out of jail free cards", I usually tend to go with the Occams Razor Principal.

That leads me to believe that the rich, entitled driver of the exotic sportscar was probably driving very fast and recklessly. 

 

This from the link supports my thoughts:
 

"It is reported that Mr Pornmet, the 3rd and youngest son of Ms Jiratha Songmetta and Police General Wirachai, hit the Yamaha Fino motorcycle from the rear while making a sudden lane switch on the motorway.

He admitted to causing the accident by carelessly making an unexpected and sudden lane change in his high-powered car."

Edited March 14, 2022 by Old Croc

[kimamey]

21 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

So the man's death was primarily his fault is what your saying.....there are some warped minds here...

That's not what I'm saying at all so my mind isn't warped at all thank you.

 

As I've also pointed out on the thread about the bus passengers being killed and injured its what lawyers will always do and in fact that's their job. Even in a situation such as this where it's likely the driver was at fault a lawyer will try to find mitigating circumstances to reduce compensation and responsibility for death or injury. 

 

In the case of the bus passengers if they weren't wearing a seat belt then their death or injury will be claimed to be partly at least due to their own actions and they may also be held responsible to some extent for any injury to other passengers they hit when thrown from their seat. 

 

In the case of the of the motorcycle rider then not wearing a suitable helmet might be claimed to have made the effects of the accident worse regardless of whose fault it was. This will be expected by the insurance companies and given the lack of appetite for punishing the upper classes its what I'd expect them to do in order to reduce responsibility. If the sentence can be reduced to compensation and a non custodial action then I think they'd probably be happy.