webfact Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Picture: Daily News Daily News continued their campaign to raise awareness about the appalling carnage on the Thai roads. They reported that 40 more died at the scene of accidents and on the way to hospital on Thursday. This brought the total since January 1st to 3,145 deaths. In the same period last year it was 3,343. Keep up to date with all things Thailand - Join our daily ASEAN NOW Thailand Newsletter - Click to subscribe The media said that the 1st March to 16th death toll was 707, a figure that was at odds with their infographic. The reality is that when fatalities that succumb in hospitals are added the figures are much higher. Graphic: Daily News 'At scene' deaths have been around 14,000 over the last few years. Senior government figures accept the reality is 20,000+ deaths, notes ASEAN NOW. The accident Daily News chose to feature for the day was a 70 year old man called Sommai who came off his motorcycle in Bang Roop, Nakhon Sri Thammarat. There was a large crowd gawking. He perhaps had had a heart attack prompting the media to suggest in their headline that people should ensure their health before taking to the road. Long Stay Visa Health Insurance Plans -- © Copyright ASEAN NOW 2022-03-19 - Aetna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. - Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates Get your business in front of millions of customers who read ASEAN NOW with an interest in Thailand every month - email [email protected] for more information 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hughrection Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, webfact said: This brought the total since January 1st to 3,145 deaths. In the same period last year it was 3,343. Let's just say a thousand a month. Over 24 months - that's 24,000 give or take. what's being done about it except the erection of tents beside the road while everyone plays on their phones? It is truly sad. ???? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post new2here Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 My opinion is that these kinds of events are somehow seen in this society as just “happening” as if to imply that there’s no control over them - vis a vis, like an act of God; versus something that’s largely controllable … and therefore like acts of god, there’s little true outrage - thus no real political nor social movement to address the issue… it is what it is if you will… because it’s not a problem.. it’s just something that happened. i think until society collectively views these cases as largely avoidable and controllable, it won’t change … 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dmaxdan Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 I think that Thai people are about as aware of this ongoing awareness campaign as they are of what is going on around them when they are operating a motor vehicle. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, webfact said: This brought the total since January 1st to 3,145 deaths. In the same period last year it was 3,343. So, basically , more than a 9/11 death count in the same period for both years ! Shameful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post law ling Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 Shocking numbers, which would be more shocking if they added: 1. subsequent deaths (not at the scene), and 2. those who survive, but left with life-changing injuries. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebell Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 Further proof that Thailand has the police force it deserves. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, webfact said: He perhaps had had a heart attack prompting the media to suggest in their headline that people should ensure their health before taking to the road. Hmm! 'I feel a heart attack coming on. Perhaps I'm better to stay home today'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Been here for over 30 years now and it appears to me that road's fatalities to us foreigners while horrible and horrendous to the Thais they are views as everyday occurrences and not a big deal to worry about that life brings upon the people of Thailand and they have learned to accept it as part of living, maybe it's a way to shut those tragedies out and that how they deal with them i guess... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Silencer Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 Out of curiosity, what are hospital deaths recorded as after a road accident? "Blunt force trauma" (and no cause) or are they associated with a traffic accident but just do not get counted in daily/yearly statistics? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vandeventer Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, ezzra said: Been here for over 30 years now and it appears to me that road's fatalities to us foreigners while horrible and horrendous to the Thais they are views as everyday occurrences and not a big deal to worry about that life brings upon the people of Thailand and they have learned to accept it as part of living, maybe it's a way to shut those tragedies out and that how they deal with them i guess... With these figures out, one would think the Government would be harder on those that throw water and ice at car and motorcycles during Songkran. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinChin67 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Everyone seems to wear a mask but not a helmet… I guess there would be a way to enforce helmet rule but it will never happen. Same as with other offences… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Road Warrior Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 don't believe its a health problems !! the thai drivers are the problems 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will B Good Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 This doesn't have any impact on politicians who, remember, are not there to serve the public, but to line their own pockets.......therefore nothing will change. Let the bodies pile high......they are not real people...just chatter (as Boris Johnson describes them). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 That’s 3,145 dead at the scene. You can safely multiply that number by 2 (or even 3) for those who had an accident and died in the hospital, and then you will have the real number of road deaths. Truly appalling statistics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nicholas Paul KNIGHT Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 Nothing will change, it is THAI attitude, that is the huge problem. The Police only enforce when they want money. The laws are broken by everybody including those charged with enforcing them Ignoring a law/sign is normal practice Thai drivers know this so they do not care. The Government pays lip service to the problem . Result 90% of all Thai drivers break the law each and every day they drive or ride injcluding PUBL:IC SERVICE vehicles The only thing to possibly go down is the death rate , wit until the wet season . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 6 hours ago, webfact said: continued their campaign to raise awareness about the appalling carnage on the Thai roads. Continued the campaign... yeah that'll work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Dmaxdan said: I think that Thai people are about as aware of this ongoing awareness campaign as they are of what is going on around them when they are operating a motor vehicle. Zero? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, rudi49jr said: That’s 3,145 dead at the scene. You can safely multiply that number by 2 (or even 3) for those who had an accident and died in the hospital, and then you will have the real number of road deaths. Truly appalling statistics. Safely speculating and guess work always does the trick - repeated often and loud enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 6 hours ago, new2here said: My opinion is that these kinds of events are somehow seen in this society as just “happening” as if to imply that there’s no control over them - vis a vis, like an act of God; versus something that’s largely controllable … and therefore like acts of god, there’s little true outrage - thus no real political nor social movement to address the issue… it is what it is if you will… because it’s not a problem.. it’s just something that happened. i think until society collectively views these cases as largely avoidable and controllable, it won’t change … I agree. When you take into account that there cannot be a single family in Thailand which hasn't had a least one member killed or seriously injured then it is just considered as a normal part of life. And as so many Thais are in their own bubble and have little to no knowledge of the world outside its borders they also have no idea that other countries are not in the same situation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will B Good Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 37 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: I agree. When you take into account that there cannot be a single family in Thailand which hasn't had a least one member killed or seriously injured then it is just considered as a normal part of life. And as so many Thais are in their own bubble and have little to no knowledge of the world outside its borders they also have no idea that other countries are not in the same situation. Two people just on our short moo in wheelchairs......one of them lives a few doors away from the man who put her in the wheelchair. Wife said he gave about 20,000 baht after the accident in which he pulled out of a junction into oncoming traffic and she copped for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equalizer1970 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Senior government figures accept the reality is 20,000+ deaths, notes ASEAN NOW. Coronavirus Cases: 3,328,973 Deaths: 24,165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 9 hours ago, webfact said: their campaign to raise awareness about the appalling carnage on the Thai roads. Yet more rubbish. We are ALL aware of the deaths and injuries on Thai roads what Daily News and most other media outlets fail to do is ask why. Instead we get a litany of -anti-Thai racist and archaic anecdotal evidence. Safety organisations in Thai KNOW what to do as does the rest of the world's road safety organisations but successive Thai governments have steadfastly refused to take the advice The problem with thesis that the problem is actually getting WORSE and more difficult to address. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 if you think anecdotal evidence and archaic assessments are relevant, then you are actually part of the problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I wonder if there are any statistics of what percentage of those accident were scouters as opposed to cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
it is what it is Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, sirineou said: I wonder if there are any statistics of what percentage of those accident were scouters as opposed to cars. you'd need the reported to do some investigative work for that, not just reproduce per-prepared statistics. forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CygnusX1 Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, equalizer1970 said: Coronavirus Cases:3,328,973Deaths:24,165 And of course, the average age of those killed in road accidents would be far lower than that of people succumbing to coronavirus, so there are way more years of life lost in road accidents, year after year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, sirineou said: I wonder if there are any statistics of what percentage of those accident were scouters as opposed to cars. Surely you know this? About 73% of DEATHS (not including injuries as they aren't calculated in Thailand) are motorcyclists and their passengers. About 80% of deaths are "vulnerable" road users - this means 2 and 3 wheeled vehicles pedestrians and a few others. private 4-wheeled vehicles - cars and pickups are mourned 10 to 13%. - This means per 100k of population you are LESS likely to die in a 4-wheeled vehicle in Thailand than in the USA.other vehicles, trucks buses etc make up about 5%. The stats gathered in Thailand are not gathered properly especially those gather by the police, but they are consistent over 3 decades so give a good overview. The final figures are gathered from multiple organisations including hospitals and insurance companies. They are then analysed by such people as WHO which makes them more accurate and relevant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunglom Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, equalizer1970 said: Senior government figures accept the reality is 20,000+ deaths, notes ASEAN NOW. Coronavirus Cases: 3,328,973 Deaths: 24,165 Covid and Car deaths a bad analogy. They are both public health concerns but comparing the two is a false dichotomy – you cant deal with one at the expense of or instead of the other. The Thai authorities manage to deal with Covid in a reasonably effective way – they have kept numbers down. Unfortunately they still don’t seem to know how to deal with road safety – the solutions are there but they don’t listen. The two problems are not inter-connected nor do they have the same appearance or effect on society. Someone with the virus can infect two to three others. Out of every hundred people who contract it, experts believe one will die. Car accidents are not contagious Car statistics are a constant - we would need to imagine that the bounds of the problem were similar. We’d need to imagine, for example, that from one month to another, the number of deaths from car accidents increased by a factor of 10 over a period of a week, and then, it had done so again. If the number of vehicle deaths increased 100-fold over two weeks there wouldn’t be a sudden push to limit driving? Where the coronavirus-to-car analogy really breaks down, though, is that it ignores one of the immediate threats posed by the virus. When we talk about 20,000 deaths in car accidents, we're talking about that happening nationally over the course of a year. When we talk about the deaths from covid-19, we're talking so far about spikes in deaths in certain regions over a short period of time. These spikes could cause ripples throughout e community and if left to their own devices could have multiplied into huge numbers permanently damaging Thai for the future. There are systems to deal with road safety and there are systems to deal with Covid, but you can’t use the same methods to deal with each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusX1 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Thunglom said: When we talk about the deaths from covid-19, we're talking so far about spikes in deaths in certain regions over a short period of time. These spikes could cause ripples throughout e community and if left to their own devices could have multiplied into huge numbers permanently damaging Thai for the future. The death rate from the virus hasn’t been remotely near enough to cause any effect such as that. Also, like it or not, the death of an old, retired person such as myself is enormously less disruptive to the community than the death of a young person with family responsibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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