Certificates for land belonging to Thailand’s Juangroongruangkit family revoked

[snoop1130]

File photo / Somporn Juangroongruangkit (left) and her son, Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit (right)

 

The Land Department has revoked 59 “nor sor 3 kor” land ownership certificates, covering 337.76 hectares in the Chom Bueng district of Thailand’s central province of Ratchaburi, issued to Somporn Juangroongruangkit, mother of Progressive Movement leader Thanathorn.

 

The order to revoke the certificates was issued yesterday (Tuesday) by a deputy director-general of the Land Department on the grounds that the official documents were issued illegally and the land involved is located in permanent forest, where land ownership certificates cannot be issued.

 

The land in question is on the left side of the Pachi River, which was incorporated into the national forest reserves in 1984.

 

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[Will B Good]

No bias there then......should have put a chicken farm on it.

[ikke1959]

12 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

official documents were issued illegally

How can that be??? official illegally

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

How can that be??? official illegally

I think in your heart of hearts you know the answer....555

[ThailandRyan]

Sounds to me like more of a witch hunt in order to cast more dispersions upon an already beaten down man who refuses to quit.  One day he may end up being like Suthep and then what will this Government do.  He has already become a Martyr and this Government as much as they try and destroy him and his family keep rising up and have become a thorn in the sides of Prayut and his goons.

[overt2016]

It doesn't pay to be popular with the masses.

I  see this as the second [first] of many attempts to blacken his name.

[Artisi]

It is a witch hunt, however-why was title given for this land if it wasn't available - of course where-in lies the problem, but never mind just resind the titles and don't worry about investigating any dodgy government involvement, but that's ok ...... 

[happy me]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

It is a witch hunt, however-why was title given for this land if it wasn't available - of course where-in lies the problem, but never mind just resind the titles and don't worry about investigating any dodgy government involvement, but that's ok ...... 

Maybe it was purchased prior to 1984

[Lodestone]

In the Bangkok Post story on this, the Juangroongruangkit family were issued the deeds in 1978, but the land was not converted to a forest reserve until 1984.

[hotchilli]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The order to revoke the certificates was issued yesterday (Tuesday) by a deputy director-general of the Land Department on the grounds that the official documents were issued illegally and the land involved is located in permanent forest, where land ownership certificates cannot be issued.

So her purchase money for the land will be returned + interest and the person who issued the land certificate prosecuted?

Thought not.

[hotchilli]

13 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

How can that be??? official illegally

Simple

[ThailandRyan]

How many times has land been designated as for sale, sold and then either found to be illegal or the land type changed after the fact to land that one can not own.  Look at the Folks who for many years lived and farmed in an area that was then turned into forest land and they were removed from their homes and way of life.  Then look at what Big Business tried in Rawai with the fishing village near the pier in order to build a resort there.....

 

Land just does not change classification on its own and if there was a clear and cut process such as valuation and appraisals done along with a true title search by an escrow company these shenanigans would stop.

[RichardColeman]

No investigation in the PM's 200 billion baht holdings or whatever then ? 

[mtls2005]

5 hours ago, Lodestone said:

In the Bangkok Post story on this, the Juangroongruangkit family were issued the deeds in 1978, but the land was not converted to a forest reserve until 1984.

 

Does anyone know how land is converted from private ownership to a forest reserve or national park status?

 

An act of parliament? Royal Decree? Can a government official do this on their own?

 

 

It seems like this conversion process should include sorting out the re-issuing land-deeds/plot plans (N.S. 3?).

 

 

No wonder there are so many 'encroachment' issues here.

 

 

 

 

 

[klauskunkel]

The legality of official illegality is a highly prized Thai artform, a cultural treasure.

[Mr Meeseeks]

7 hours ago, Lodestone said:

In the Bangkok Post story on this, the Juangroongruangkit family were issued the deeds in 1978, but the land was not converted to a forest reserve until 1984.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Ha! Not in Thailand he isn't......nice try.

[Misterwhisper]

8 hours ago, Lodestone said:

In the Bangkok Post story on this, the Juangroongruangkit family were issued the deeds in 1978, but the land was not converted to a forest reserve until 1984.

In which case the title deeds were NOT illegally issued and the government should've purchased the plots from the family at a reasonable price in order to incorporate into them the forest reserve instead of simply disowning. But then again, I guess we all know why the latter happened.

[thaibook]

If it is national forest the title should be revoked, just as all Nor sor 3 kor titles should be revoked.  No private use allowed.  All animals on this land are fair game - chickens, cows, the lot.  No new buildings, permanent or temporary, and existing buildings are free for all to use.  No compensation but all who benefitted from such titles must do public penance.

[RJRS1301]

15 hours ago, Artisi said:

It is a witch hunt, however-why was title given for this land if it wasn't available - of course where-in lies the problem, but never mind just resind the titles and don't worry about investigating any dodgy government involvement, but that's ok ...... 

well an investigation may of course reflect badly on the current goon squad and their apologists. Never investigate unless you know how to arrive at the preconceived conclusion required

 

[herfiehandbag]

What an utter scoundrel - first of all he didn't have any real media interests, then he lent money to the party he headed, now it transpires that his family were in the dastardly habit of owning land before it was declared to be a national forest.

 

We had a lucky escape didn't we!

[biggles45]

Thaibook, did u actually read the post? They bought the land in 1978, it was declared a forest reserve in 1984. Where is the illegality? 

[billd766]

19 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

How can that be??? official illegally

Because when she bought the land in 1978 it was legal to do so. However the government of the day changed to land ownership, but obviously didn't inform the landowners as they should have done.

 

IMHO the fault lies with the government of the day in 1984, the local authorities and the forestry department.

 

This is nothing but blatant intimidation of Thanathorn and his political career by a government who are scraping the bottom of all the barrels to try and find dirt on anybody who is opposing them at the coming election next year.

 

Thanathorn himself cannot be blamed for this directly as he was only born on 25 November 1978, but his Mum and anybody else are fair game.

[billd766]

18 hours ago, overt2016 said:

It doesn't pay to be popular with the masses.

I  see this as the second [first] of many attempts to blacken his name.

It is because they know that they cannot win fairly and they are terrified of what will happen when they lose.

 

Thaksin's daughter will be the next target.

 

The yellow shirts and the ultra-royalists will be happy with this move.

 

The problem is that they cannot see the immense damage that they are doing to Thailand and the Thai people.

[billd766]

16 hours ago, happy me said:

Maybe it was purchased prior to 1984

It was in 1978. 6 years before the 1984 forestry department took it over and changed the rules.

[Burma Bill]

20 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

as they try and destroy him and his family keep rising up and have become a thorn in the sides of Prayut and his goons.

Yes indeed intimidation. Keep at it Mister Thanathorn until the decrepit old farts are eliminated!! I wish you success.

[ikke1959]

I so wish that Mr Thanathorn would be the new PM ...... That is the man we need, not the Thaksin clan and not the people who are now in power......Let a new wind blow over the country

 

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, ikke1959 said:

I so wish that Mr Thanathorn would be the new PM ...... That is the man we need, not the Thaksin clan and not the people who are now in power......Let a new wind blow over the country

 

Would be nice, however my thought is they emasculate and financially ruin them or tie them in courts.

Also with a rigged senate for life.

 

[ikke1959]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Would be nice, however my thought is they emasculate and financially ruin them or tie them in courts.

Also with a rigged senate for life.

 

I know..... he is too dangerous for everyone from Germany to army and rich

[GarryP]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

It is because they know that they cannot win fairly and they are terrified of what will happen when they lose.

 

Thaksin's daughter will be the next target.

 

The yellow shirts and the ultra-royalists will be happy with this move.

 

The problem is that they cannot see the immense damage that they are doing to Thailand and the Thai people.

They won't target her because they won't need to. The EC will dissolve Pheu Thai at the last minute (so they won't have time to register a replacement party) or after the next election, because of her father. He won't shut up and what he said in public a few days ago shows that he still pulls many, if not all, the strings of the Pheu Thai party, which is not allowed and is actually legislated to that effect. 

 

There is only one party I would consider voting for in the next election and it is Move Forward. As for Pheu Thai, as long as Thaksin is in the picture, I just couldn't vote for them. 

 

As to the land issue of this thread, they are picking at straws in a poor attempt at getting Thanathorn out of the picture.