Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[ignis]

Not sure I understand the push for EV cars

 

Clean air, No solid dirty fuel, OK thought that LPG was pushed to cover this,  CNG and NGV the newest...

 

You have some places in the UK where people go out and cut or let down big cars/4x4 tyres in protest, some of these are on gas so clean ?  or are they.....   there again Guess these Protesters will do the same with EV cars it they are short on Electric at home

 

The way I see EV is every so often there must be built in boost charge lanes on the roads so the EV cars get charged, {like in Formula E race }    

 

Like here you charge up pre-pay for your Motorway pass, do the same for recharging EV's on the move of course the downside is Government worldwide would have to invest million/billions

 

The biggest problem gas was the time it took to fill with gas over petrol,  with EV's at present appears takes a hour or so to charge + the waiting time to get to a charger.. 

 

 

[macahoom]

1 hour ago, ignis said:

Not sure I understand the push for EV cars

 

Yeh, you're 100% right.

 

You don't understand.

[ignis]

Had no idea been looking at going EV on the next car {Feb 2023 change]  but here appear not a good idea yet,  but been looking, appears the automatic system is already being tested in many places but some time away...  

 

Dynamic Wireless Power Transfer (DWPT) - a system that relies on coils positioned beneath the road surface to charge the EV.  Israel and Italy ,  Denmark, Norway. Holland are testing different types,  also roadside charging markers..

 

Appear Japan will have the Wi-Fi charging system by 2025

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, ignis said:

Had no idea been looking at going EV on the next car {Feb 2023 change]  but here appear not a good idea yet,  but been looking, appears the automatic system is already being tested in many places but some time away...  

 

Dynamic Wireless Power Transfer (DWPT) - a system that relies on coils positioned beneath the road surface to charge the EV.  Israel and Italy ,  Denmark, Norway. Holland are testing different types,  also roadside charging markers..

 

Appear Japan will have the Wi-Fi charging system by 2025

I intend to charge my PHEV primarily at home. In the event of a long distance trip, I will charge at the numerous charging stations available at PTT or Bang Chak petrol stations. And in the worst case scenario, I will put in some petrol.

 

Sounds like a good idea to me ????

[Bandersnatch]

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[vinny41]

Expect EV insurance costs to increased there have been a number of cases where the insurance max claim exceeds cost of repair if battery needs replacing

https://www.thairath.co.th/scoop/theissue/2563926

[Bandersnatch]

Latest video from my channel: How to make a dumb EV charger a bit smarter

 

 

[BKKBike09]

Prospective BYD Atto purchasers who can understand Thai might find this interesting - guy got 525 km out of his car. He explains (in endless detail) the route / driving conditions / speed etc. Basically he didn't go very fast because of traffic etc but I guess it's a real world trip so ...

 

 

I'm buying an Atto (booked on Day 1) and am told delivery in Dec. Be interesting to see whether it's a practical alternative to an ICE vehicle. I've no interest in pottering along on a highway at 90 km. Atto says it has a 480 km range: as long as it can do a 250 km round trip and not use more than 75% battery, with music playing, A/C at 23 and highway speeds of 110-120 kmh then I'll be happy. 

 

THB 1.2 million for the BYD Atto seems reasonable enough - same price as in Oz/NZ. Adaptive cruise control, built in dashcam system, PM2.5 filtering A/C, panoramic sunroof, quirky interior styling (which I like), well built, not too much hard plastic etc. Test drove briefly and was quite impressed at how responsive it felt - albeit can tell it's a heavy car. Better tyres would probably help. 

 

Seems to me full EVs are probably at the point where they make sense for urban dwellers who rarely make any longer journeys and - key point - live in a house with space to park and have a home wall charger. Live in a condo? Out of luck in most, I'm sure.

 

Hybrids make the least sense to me, at least in Thailand. Fuel and labour costs here are so much less than in the West. 

 

[Gweiloman]

Hi guys, need some advice about the wall charger. The installation guy spoke to my wife and said that we would probably need to install a 2nd meter (he hasn’t been to my house to sight anything yet).

 

I don’t want a 2nd meter because:

- I presume this won’t be connected to my solar installation

- I am in the process of getting a TOU meter and this 2nd meter would only be a regular meter (I assume) without TOU

 

I’m not 100% sure but I think my current meter is 30/100 as opposed to 15/45

 

So the question is, do I really need a 2nd meter or can I insist that the wall charger has to be connected to my current meter?

 

Appreciate any advice. Cheers.

[Bandersnatch]

18 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Hi guys, need some advice about the wall charger. The installation guy spoke to my wife and said that we would probably need to install a 2nd meter (he hasn’t been to my house to sight anything yet).

 

I don’t want a 2nd meter because:

- I presume this won’t be connected to my solar installation

- I am in the process of getting a TOU meter and this 2nd meter would only be a regular meter (I assume) without TOU

 

I’m not 100% sure but I think my current meter is 30/100 as opposed to 15/45

 

So the question is, do I really need a 2nd meter or can I insist that the wall charger has to be connected to my current meter?

 

Appreciate any advice. Cheers.

Quote from blog to give you some background:

 

“MG imported the ZS EV for ฿1,200,000 in 2019 and  I rushed to put down a deposit only to be told that I would have to a second meter installed to bring grid electric to charge the EV as “solar would not produce enough power to charge an EV”  – I refused on principle.

MG released the HS PHEV its onboard charger only draws 3.7kW so I thought maybe with a small battery and a low charge requirement I be allowed to charge it from solar. “No. Unstable voltage from the solar system could damage the wall charger”  So I emailed the President of MG Thailand to ask for his help. He very kindly agreed to have his staff help negotiate with the install company and a compromise was arrived at where I get a wall charger with no warranty and if my solar system fails to charge the car I will upgrade my grid connection.

 

When the wall charger install company came to to inspect my system they discovered that my pure sine wave inverter produced a perfect steady 220 volts. The electricity supplied from the grid here fluctuates widely anything from 190 to 250 volts!”

 

I suggest that you use the TOU meter to charge the car ( tell MG  you will run the house on solar and will use the TOU exclusively to charge the car) and have the wall box connected to it. After the installation team have left install a transfer switch to allow you to bring power from your solar system during the day and and use the TOU at night.

 

[Gweiloman]

2 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Quote from blog to give you some background:

 

“MG imported the ZS EV for ฿1,200,000 in 2019 and  I rushed to put down a deposit only to be told that I would have to a second meter installed to bring grid electric to charge the EV as “solar would not produce enough power to charge an EV”  – I refused on principle.

MG released the HS PHEV its onboard charger only draws 3.7kW so I thought maybe with a small battery and a low charge requirement I be allowed to charge it from solar. “No. Unstable voltage from the solar system could damage the wall charger”  So I emailed the President of MG Thailand to ask for his help. He very kindly agreed to have his staff help negotiate with the install company and a compromise was arrived at where I get a wall charger with no warranty and if my solar system fails to charge the car I will upgrade my grid connection.

 

When the wall charger install company came to to inspect my system they discovered that my pure sine wave inverter produced a perfect steady 220 volts. The electricity supplied from the grid here fluctuates widely anything from 190 to 250 volts!”

 

I suggest that you use the TOU meter to charge the car ( tell MG  you will run the house on solar and will use the TOU exclusively to charge the car) and have the wall box connected to it. After the installation team have left install a transfer switch to allow you to bring power from your solar system during the day and and use the TOU at night.

 

In my case, it’s not MG but GWM. The car will draw around 6-7 kWh from AC wall charger but I don’t see why this should matter with my solar power; any shortfall will just automatically come from the grid.

[Bandersnatch]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

In my case, it’s not MG but GWM. The car will draw around 6-7 kWh from AC wall charger but I don’t see why this should matter with my solar power; any shortfall will just automatically come from the grid.

I agree with you, but GWM and MG probably use the same outsourced install companies that know nothing about solar or EVs and practically nothing about electrical installations - based on my contacts with them. 

[Bandersnatch]

Price for MG4 has been announced in Thailand  - price shown includes the Government EV discount already

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Bandersnatch

[Bandersnatch]

30 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Price for MG4 has been announced in Thailand  - price shown includes the Government EV discount already

 

https://www.mgcars.com/th/mg-models/new-mg4-electric/overview

[Bandersnatch]

 

https://www.headlightmag.com/2022-11-30-estimsted-price-tesla-model-y-thailand/

 

Recently, there have been many rumors about entering the 100% electric vehicle (BEV) market in Thailand by yourself. Of the new giant electric car company in America like Tesla, in addition to photos of the Tesla Model Y while testing in Thailand. as well as text "Hello Thailand" that was published from Line Official of Tesla Thailand in the past.

Latest insider news of the way Headlightmag.com Giving information that Tesla (Thailand) is preparing to launch the Tesla Model Y in Thailand on December 7, 2022, which is coming at the Siam Paragon department store as the first 100% electric car that will be imported to the market. In Thailand, where the growth direction of EV cars continues to rise It is an imported whole car (CBU) from China.

For the estimated price of the Thai version of the Teslea Model Y by Headlightmag.com are as follows

Tesla Model Y Rear-wheel Drive : 1,8xx,000 baht

Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD : 2,7xxx,000 baht

Tesla Motor Y Performance: 3,4xx,000 baht

 

Here's the Tesla Model Y's electric propulsion system:

Single Model RWD

Powered by 1 electric motor at the rear wheels (Rear-wheel Drive), maximum power 347 horsepower (PS), maximum torque 420 Nm, attached to a Lithium-ion Phosphate (LFP) battery with a capacity of 57.5 kWh, supports DC charging Fast Charge up to 170 kW

Acceleration 0-100 km/h in 6.9 seconds

Maximum speed Top Speed can be done at 217 km/h.

The maximum mileage per charge is 455 kilometers (WLTP).

Dual Motor AWD

Powered by 2 electric motors at the front and rear wheels (All-wheel Drive) with a maximum power of 514 horsepower (PS), a maximum torque of 493 Nm, with a Lithium-ion Phosphate (LFP) battery with a capacity of 75.0 kWh, supporting charging. with DC Fast Charge up to 250 kW

Acceleration 0-100 km/h in 5.0 seconds

Maximum speed Top Speed can be done at 217 km/h.

The maximum mileage per charge is 533 kilometers (WLTP).

Performance

Powered by 2 electric motors at the front and rear wheels (All-wheel Drive), maximum power of 534 horsepower (PS), maximum torque of 493 Nm, with a lithium-ion cathode material (NMC) battery with a capacity of 75.0 kWh, supporting Charging with DC Fast Charge up to 250 kW

Acceleration 0-100 km/h in 3.7 seconds

Maximum speed Top Speed is 250 km/h.

The maximum mileage per charge is 514 kilometers (WLTP).

 

 

By comparison here are Model Y prices in RHD countries: Australia (NSW) Hong Kong and the UK

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

Top 10 electric cars at Motor Expo 2022

BYD Dolphin
mini electric car hatchback style that looks like a dolphin Appeared at the Motor Expo 2022 with an electric motor with a power of 170 horsepower, running a maximum distance of 405 km / 1 charge

 

BYD Seal
is another model that was shown this time. And it is the first BYD model to use CTB (Cell-To-Body) battery technology. with a distinctive exterior design with curvature linked to aerodynamics
 

BYD Tang
for BYD Tang is classified as a crossover SUV with a "Dragon Face" exterior design and for the model name "Tang" comes from Chinese, which means " Tang Dynasty"

 

Hyundai Ioniq 6
100% electric car, starting with an electric motor, providing 217 horsepower, rear-wheel drive. Can run up to 429 km. (WLTP standard)
 

Kia EV6
is one of the premium electric cars that come with futuristic design both outside / inside. with hot electric power with a maximum performance of 585 horsepower

MG4 Electric
100% electric hatchback with rear-wheel drive. The power from the electric motor provides a maximum power of 170 horsepower, running up to 425 km / 1 charge.

 

Mercedes-Benz EQS 500
, 100% electric vehicle assembled in Thailand Combining technology, design, functionality, use in harmony, 2 electric motors, maximum power of 449 horsepower, 4-wheel drive, can run up to 702 km / 1 charge

Neta S
, 100% electric car, 4-door type, sedan, front double doors, gullwing type, Special Version, T-shaped long LED taillights, sporty rear cover. with rear spoiler Electric motor with a maximum power of 462 horsepower

 

Neta U Pro
, a 100% electric car that was displayed at the event. Comes with a modern, balanced look Giving a handsome appearance comparable to the class of European cars ever.

 

 

Ora Grand Cat
, the latest electric cat from the brand Ora, stands out with a luxurious and modern design, 4-door sedan body, coupe-style, exhibited for Thai people to experience for the first time. and is one of the highlights of the GWM booth.

 

 

In addition, there are many interesting car models at the event. With many more activities at the "The 39th Motor Expo" or Thailand International Motor Expo 2022, held between 1-12 December 2022 at Impact Challenger 1-3, Muang Thong Thani

 

 

[seedy]

New article in "that newspaper which must not be named" ...

Gemrix article here ...

https://www.adlittle.com/en/insights/report/global-electric-mobility-readiness-index-gemrix-2022

[macahoom]

Just saw the BYD ATTO 3 at a charger in Krabi. 

 

Great looking car!

 

We were charging side by side. The ATTO 3 made my MGZS EV look like SHEE-ITE.

 

Love the big wheels compared to the MG's undersized ones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

On 11/28/2022 at 6:25 PM, Bandersnatch said:

Latest video from my channel: How to make a dumb EV charger a bit smarter

 

 

Whilst I don't think there is anything wrong with using a switch to start charging, I do think it may cause a problem interrupting charging regularly with a switch.  

 

Normally, the car stops charging by telling the charger onboard to shut down in an elegant way.  I have some concerns about interrupting it on a regular basis.  Your car does store these events and if it screws up your car, you may have a warranty issue.

 

FWIW, I also have solar and I built something using an adjustable under/over voltage protector and a Normally Closed (NC) contactor.  

 

In dark/overcast conditions the mains voltage is normal and the contactor energises shutting off the charger.  When the sun comes out, my grid-tied solar system increases the mains voltage enough to trip the power to the contactor as an over voltage condition i.e. to the NC position and the car starts charging.  When the sun goes in it stops and it starts again when the sun comes out again.

 

It was only after using it that my car tripped to a fault and the handbook said "unreliable supply detected, to avoid damage to the charging system charging has been disabled, clear unreliable mains condition then remove & reinsert charging plug to continue charging".  Needless to say, I don't use it anymore.

[Bandersnatch]

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Whilst I don't think there is anything wrong with using a switch to start charging, I do think it may cause a problem interrupting charging regularly with a switch.  

Before installing the smart breaker I did consult the manual and it says to switch off  the charger before removing the charging cable. There is no way to end the charging session in the app.

 

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Normally, the car stops charging by telling the charger onboard to shut down in an elegant way.  I have some concerns about interrupting it on a regular basis. 

This only happens when the the car is fully charged.

[JBChiangRai]

42 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Before installing the smart breaker I did consult the manual and it says to switch off  the charger before removing the charging cable. There is no way to end the charging session in the app.

 

This only happens when the the car is fully charged.

I think they want you to charge to completion or unlock the car where charging will then end elegantly (that is what happen's on my daughter's MG EP+) , on my Porsche Taycan you press a button and it shuts down the charging circuit over about 2 seconds.  My Porsche will error if you break and reconnect the charging circuit with a breaker more than once.  You can't remove any car's charging cable when it's charging anyway, and I think MG's statement is to stop you breaking the whole fitting by pulling on it when it's locked.

 

Just cutting the power with about 7kw going through an inductive circuit (which the charging circuit is) will cause a surge and there is nowhere for it to go except the car's charging circuits.  Granted, it's a lot worse on a Porsche which can charge at 22kw.

 

When they start charging, they tend to ramp up to full power rather than do it instantly and likewise on shutting down they ramp down very quickly,  I would take advise from someone experienced in high-power circuits, which I am not.  I can only tell you my Porsche doesn't like it.

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Are there any HEVs or PHEVs available in Thailand that resemble a Toyota Avanza?

We use ours mainly as a cargo carrier. We removed the 3rd row of seats. So maybe there's something with only 2 rows of seats that can also carry a fair amount of cargo?

[Bandersnatch]

39 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are there any HEVs or PHEVs available in Thailand that resemble a Toyota Avanza?

We use ours mainly as a cargo carrier. We removed the 3rd row of seats. So maybe there's something with only 2 rows of seats that can also carry a fair amount of cargo?

If you could consider a full EV,  BYD have a couple of cars that might meet your needs - I have posted about them previously when I saw them at EV show. The e6 and M3/T3

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Bandersnatch

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

If you could consider a full EV,  BYD have a couple of cars that might meet your needs - I have posted about them previously when I saw them at EV show. The e6 and M3/T3

 

 

 

Thanks for the link. But I don't want to spend that much. And it would be a 2nd car. So just for local use with lots of stop and start driving. We wouldn't need to use much gasoline at all.

[unheard]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

I don't want to spend that much. And it would be a 2nd car. So just for local use with lots of stop and start driving.

It's been announced that Neta V is making its debut in Thailand - comes with a 95 hp electric motor with 150 Nm of torque, offering a range of 380 km.

Neta has already established a small dealer network.

The announced price is 549.000 Baht

 

https://www.neta.co.th/th

 

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by unheard

[placeholder]

45 minutes ago, unheard said:

It's been announced that Neta V is making its debut in Thailand - comes with a 95 hp electric motor with 150 Nm of torque, offering a range of 380 km.

Neta has already established a small dealer network.

The announced price is 549.000 Baht

 

https://www.neta.co.th/th

 

 

It looks like a nice car. But I don't think it's capable of carrying much cargo.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, unheard said:

It's been announced that Neta V is making its debut in Thailand - comes with a 95 hp electric motor with 150 Nm of torque, offering a range of 380 km.

Neta has already established a small dealer network.

The announced price is 549.000 Baht

 

https://www.neta.co.th/th

 

 

Any order placed on December 13th and after the price will be 599,000 baht

https://www.headlightmag.com/2022-11-30-official-price-neta-v-bev-mou-signed/

Car size is slighty smaller than  a Toyota Yaris ATIV

Edited December 4, 2022 by vinny41
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[unheard]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Car size is slighty smaller than  a Toyota Yaris ATIV

No cargo van by any means.

 

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

It looks like a nice car. But I don't think it's capable of carrying much cargo.

It does have a great price though.

I think you're looking for something like this:

https://logistics-manager.com/dksh-partners-with-loxley-electric-van/

It surely won't be a bargain when released.

 

This one should be a cheaper option but it's Mitsubishi, so who knows.

But again, there's no way to tell if/when it will be released for general public.

https://thaiembdc.org/2022/03/22/thailand-testing-electric-vehicle-parcel-deliveries/

Give it a few more years - there will be many more options.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by unheard

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, unheard said:

No cargo van by any means.

 

It does have a great price though.

I think you're looking for something like this:

https://logistics-manager.com/dksh-partners-with-loxley-electric-van/

It surely won't be a bargain when released.

 

This one should be a cheaper option but it's Mitsubishi, so who knows.

But again, there's no way to tell if/when it will be released for general public.

https://thaiembdc.org/2022/03/22/thailand-testing-electric-vehicle-parcel-deliveries/

Give it a few more years - there will be many more options.

 

 

If your looking for storage space have you looked at MG EP or MG EP plus approx 771,000 baht 1,456 litres of storage space when rear seats are down