KhunLA Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said: Maybe but can you back those points up with facts? If not it is purely an opinion. Already stated above, his vids have been debunked before Edited May 1 by KhunLA 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted May 1 Popular Post Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, Photoguy21 said: Maybe but can you back those points up with facts? If not it is purely an opinion. you are welcome to scroll back through the previous 207 pages, this video has been posted and debunked before. All the details are there, DYOR 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 hours ago, Pib said: If must be some type of "sales/bookings" numbers that AutoLife collects (dreams up) somehow vs actual govt DLT "registrations" (i.e, sale done with blue book issued). I looked back thru some older Autolife articles and apparently they issue articles based on "sales" numbers (lord know how they come up with those numbers and if maybe it includes just bookings vs actual completed sales)...and articles based on DLT registrations where it's clear in the article its based on DLT "registrations." Like below Feb 2024 article based on registration ...notice not even "one" Suzuki Ciaz is reflected for Jan or Feb 2024 although actual DLT registration data does reflect a couple dozen being registered for each of those months. Any "sales" data from AutoLife I would take with a planet size grain of salt since they have never explained what constitutes a sale and where they get the sales data. Now their articles based on registrations which come from the DLT and represent an actual completed sale with blue book issued seem to be at least in the ballpark. https://autolifethailand.tv/register-ev-bev-thailand-Feb-2024/ DLT figures for Suzuki all models for January 2024 are 799 registrations ( December Sales) February 2024 registrations 764 (January Sales) March 2024 registrations 567 (February Sales) This article dated April 8th 2024 states that Suzuki This resulted in the past March 2024 amid intense competition. Suzuki was able to sell 1,004 units, growing more than 50% compared to sales last month (Feb. 2024 sales totaled 505 units). https://www.thairath.co.th/news/auto/news/2776849 Brands might choose to report their sales figures to Autolifethailand rather than waiting for the DLT registrations reporting which normally happens 30 days later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted May 1 Popular Post Share Posted May 1 10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: you are welcome to scroll back through the previous 207 pages, this video has been posted and debunked before. All the details are there, DYOR @Photoguy21 Along with so many other BS vids and op-eds/opinion pieces passed off as news. From stretching the truth, omitting half the fact, to simply flat out lies and false BS. It is tiring replying to some of the stupidity posted, but we do, for those that might actually have an interest in EVs. For what ever reason. That for most of us, is simply a better performing vehicle, with hopefully less headaches, maintenance, and less cost to operate and maintain. We drive 20k kms a year, and if they were all local kms, that would cost over 55k baht, at today's price of petrol 91. Since I owned both version of our MG ZS (ICEV & EV), nobody can dispute those #s. We have Solar, so that cost is almost -0- using excess solar. If we used PEA for all our charging, that would cost <13k vs 55k baht, @5 baht a kWh, which is over estimating that cost. For discussing, as I posted, ICE vs EV, well there's a thread for that, and great place to post the comedic anti CH & EV BS. This thread is more about, what's available or coming. Hence the title "EV in TH".... TH...TH... TH, not China, not the UK, not the grid or charging stations outside of TH. Not the laws, mishaps, insurance, battery repair/replacement cost outside of TH Not what your 3rd cousin's friend's boss told him about his Uncles EV, 10 years ago, and what a POS it was. Vanilla Chocolate Strawberry ... BEV, Hybrid, ICEV ... options about ENJOY 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 VinFast prepares to sell EV cars without batteries to reduce initial costs Hana Wu, CEO of VinFast Auto (Thailand) or VinFast, said the company is preparing to launch electric vehicle battery services in the membership system. VinFast will sell cars that are not equipped with batteries. And car buyers can lease batteries for a monthly fee. https://autolifethailand.tv/vinfast-battery-ev/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gweiloman Posted May 2 Popular Post Share Posted May 2 22 hours ago, Photoguy21 said: Just found the attached video on this subject which may be of interest to everyone. I personally have no opinion on this but it would make me think if I was thinking of buying an EV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HpkDUWAKFM 20 hours ago, Photoguy21 said: Because others may be interested. I assume you have interest only in your own opinions. Watch it and maybe, just maybe you will get some information that may, or may not, be useful to you. If you are going to base your purchasing decision on the basis of misleading information and outright lies, then I suggest an EV might be too technologically advanced for you. The relatively simple step of depressing the brake pedal before pushing the start button might be too complicated. 1 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: If you are going to base your purchasing decision on the basis of misleading information and outright lies, then I suggest an EV might be too technologically advanced for you. The relatively simple step of depressing the brake pedal before pushing the start button might be too complicated. Spoken like a true EV owner.........🥴............ 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) 12 minutes ago, transam said: Spoken like a true EV owner.........🥴............ I’m just trying to be helpful and giving good advice. Wouldn’t want him to be stranded on the motorway because he filled his car with diesel instead of electrons. You might also do well to heed some of the advice posted by others. P/s: I own an ICEV as well… Edited May 2 by Gweiloman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, Gweiloman said: I’m just trying to be helpful and giving good advice. Wouldn’t want him to be stranded on the motorway because he filled his car with diesel instead of electrons. You might also do well to heed some of the advice posted by others. P/s: I own an ICEV as well… But you go off on a tangent trying to "belittle", hence my post... Besides, you are not the be-all and end-all on the subject..... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted May 2 Popular Post Share Posted May 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, transam said: But you go off on a tangent trying to "belittle", hence my post... Besides, you are not the be-all and end-all on the subject..... But come on, if you post a video that claims that a petrol car that's on fire after it smashed into a heavy lorry and a movie clip of an exploding car are Chinese EVs randomly catching fire / exploding saying :"this will make you think twice" then you deserve to be belittled. Watching an obviously and ridiculously fake video makes him think twice about Chinese EVs but he's not capable of thinking twice before posting it, or doing even the slightest bit of research. Anyone with two brain cells can see they are fake and that the YouTube guy only posts fake anti China stuff now matter how outlandish it may be. Edited May 2 by josephbloggs 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, transam said: But you go off on a tangent trying to "belittle", hence my post... Besides, you are not the be-all and end-all on the subject..... @josephbloggs put it better than I ever could. And if I’m not mistaken, he isn’t an EV owner, yet. By the way, what’s with all the emojis? Practically every one of your posts contains at least one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: @josephbloggs put it better than I ever could. And if I’m not mistaken, he isn’t an EV owner, yet. By the way, what’s with all the emojis? Practically every one of your posts contains at least one. Who's josephbloggs.......🤔 Emojis are part of my mouse, great fun, shows an added meaning to a sentence, it avoids confusion for those who are generally confused......🤭 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 43 minutes ago, josephbloggs said: But come on, if you post a video that claims that a petrol car that's on fire after it smashed into a heavy lorry and a movie clip of an exploding car are Chinese EVs randomly catching fire / exploding saying :"this will make you think twice" then you deserve to be belittled. Watching an obviously and ridiculously fake video makes him think twice about Chinese EVs but he's not capable of thinking twice before posting it, or doing even the slightest bit of research. Anyone with two brain cells can see they are fake and that the YouTube guy only posts fake anti China stuff now matter how outlandish it may be. In the opening sequence of the video it mentions a Chinese car with a broken axle in Malaysia Chery Malaysia recalls 600 units of Omoda 5 over potential axle issue – rear beam to be replaced Chery Malaysia has issued a precautionary safety recall on 600 units of the Omoda 5 over a potential axle issue. This comes following a viral social media post where a customer’s Omoda 5 apparently had its rear axle detach from the vehicle while driving. https://paultan.org/2024/04/30/chery-malaysia-recalls-600-units-of-omoda-5-over-potential-axle-issue-to-be-replaced-with-new-parts/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gweiloman Posted May 2 Popular Post Share Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, vinny41 said: In the opening sequence of the video it mentions a Chinese car with a broken axle in Malaysia Chery Malaysia recalls 600 units of Omoda 5 over potential axle issue – rear beam to be replaced Chery Malaysia has issued a precautionary safety recall on 600 units of the Omoda 5 over a potential axle issue. This comes following a viral social media post where a customer’s Omoda 5 apparently had its rear axle detach from the vehicle while driving. https://paultan.org/2024/04/30/chery-malaysia-recalls-600-units-of-omoda-5-over-potential-axle-issue-to-be-replaced-with-new-parts/ So, not exactly “China panicking about EV disaster” which was the title of the video and an attempt to further discredit Chinese EVs, is it? Just a faulty part on a batch of cars, not uncommon. If photoguy wants to be taken seriously, he needs to try harder. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 17 minutes ago, transam said: Who's josephbloggs.......🤔 Emojis are part of my mouse, great fun, shows an added meaning to a sentence, it avoids confusion for those who are generally confused......🤭 Is that so? I always thought you were one of the more confused posters… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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transam Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 19 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: Is that so? I always thought you were one of the more confused posters… A confused member would.........🤗 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted May 2 Popular Post Share Posted May 2 40 minutes ago, transam said: Who's josephbloggs.......🤔 Emojis are part of my mouse, great fun, shows an added meaning to a sentence, it avoids confusion for those who are generally confused......🤭 Or it makes you look like a Prat, guess which of those two I think? 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Or it makes you look like a Prat, guess which of those two I think? Talking of prat, how are you today, all charged up, ready to go......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 16 minutes ago, transam said: Talking of prat, how are you today, all charged up, ready to go......... I wouldn’t go as far as to say that, I’ve had my morning coffee, all systems go (ish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said: I wouldn’t go as far as to say that, I’ve had my morning coffee, all systems go (ish) Great.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 5/1/2024 at 10:30 AM, Pib said: When reviewing the DLT data for Jan-Mar 2024 (2567) (I downloaded it again today....it only shows 28 CIaz's being registered in March 2024 vs the 592 shown in above article. I wonder which data is out in left field/incorrect. I know Suzuki had a promotion for the Ciaz (just like many brands has big promotions going on), but going from 6 sold in Feb to 592 sold in Mar sounds dubious to me @ExpatOilWorker And here is the Apr 2024 DLT registration data for the Suzuki Ciaz you asked about. 547 total Suzuki models registered in April with 147 of that total being their Ciaz model (predominately the Ciaz GL CVT model which is probably the model that had the BIG price cut/promotion a month or so ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 11 minutes ago, Pib said: @ExpatOilWorker And here is the Apr 2024 DLT registration data for the Suzuki Ciaz you asked about. 547 total Suzuki models registered in April with 147 of that total being their Ciaz model (predominately the Ciaz GL CVT model which is probably the model that had the BIG price cut/promotion a month or so ago). Well that's reassuring, as there aren't that many stupid, financially challenged folks here. For the same or spring for a little extra, and you can have the Neta V, and save money every time you drive past the local petrol station. And avoid all those oil changes & tune ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Total EV registrations for April 2024 3,997 20.08% reduction from March 2024 figures of 5,001 Deepal S07 numbers are 754 https://www.car250.com/th-2024-04-11-3.html Total registrations for April 2024 38,022 https://www.car250.com/th-2024-04-11.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 9 hours ago, Pib said: @ExpatOilWorker And here is the Apr 2024 DLT registration data for the Suzuki Ciaz you asked about. 547 total Suzuki models registered in April with 147 of that total being their Ciaz model (predominately the Ciaz GL CVT model which is probably the model that had the BIG price cut/promotion a month or so ago). Thanks @Pib. Steep discounts do work and as EV factories start production in a falling car market, Thailand will have a significant production over capacity. I think we will see a lot more discounts from ICE manufacturers going forward. Suzuki already cut 51k off the Celerio price. Maybe @transam is in the market for an upgrade? 147 registrations in April out of 592 sales in March, we might still see some of those sales as registrations in May. Any change you can find the January number, just to get a full data set? Ciaz 2024 Registrations: January: February: 26 March: 28 April: 147 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, vinny41 said: Total EV registrations for April 2024 3,997 20.08% reduction from March 2024 figures of 5,001 Deepal S07 numbers are 754 https://www.car250.com/th-2024-04-11-3.html Total registrations for April 2024 38,022 https://www.car250.com/th-2024-04-11.html Thanks to 175 EV buyers @JBChiangRai's cambit with destiny paid off and the grim reaper walks away empty handed (Last years claim: We will never see 3 consecutive months of y-o-y falling EV registrations in his lifetime). I have added the 2022 numbers, look how small they are. The EV revolution really started in 2023. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post motdaeng Posted May 2 Popular Post Share Posted May 2 3 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: transam is in the market for an upgrade? i think transam needs a different kind of upgrade ... 🙃 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Thanks to 175 EV buyers @JBChiangRai's cambit with destiny paid off and the grim reaper walks away empty handed (Last years claim: We will never see 3 consecutive months of y-o-y falling EV registrations in his lifetime). I have added the 2022 numbers, look how small they are. The EV revolution really started in 2023. Actually, I hadn’t considered a declining overall market, I should’ve qualified that quote for this kind of situation too. However, I am convinced EV‘s are here to stay and then market share will only just creep up continuously. 2 hours ago, motdaeng said: i think transam needs a different kind of upgrade ... 🙃 You mean like lipstick on a pig, for example? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 “EV sales are collapsing” or so we keep getting told, but EVs now outsell Diesel in many countries https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/19/in-2203-electric-cars-outsold-diesel-cars-in-europe/ But what about Thailand? EVs in Thailand Q1 2023 14,717 Q1 2024 22,289 + 8,171 + 51.4% 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 3 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Thanks @Pib. Steep discounts do work and as EV factories start production in a falling car market, Thailand will have a significant production over capacity. I think we will see a lot more discounts from ICE manufacturers going forward. Suzuki already cut 51k off the Celerio price. Maybe @transam is in the market for an upgrade? 147 registrations in April out of 592 sales in March, we might still see some of those sales as registrations in May. Any change you can find the January number, just to get a full data set? Ciaz 2024 Registrations: January: February: 26 March: 28 April: 147 3 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Thanks @Pib. Steep discounts do work and as EV factories start production in a falling car market, Thailand will have a significant production over capacity. I think we will see a lot more discounts from ICE manufacturers going forward. Suzuki already cut 51k off the Celerio price. Maybe @transam is in the market for an upgrade? 147 registrations in April out of 592 sales in March, we might still see some of those sales as registrations in May. Any change you can find the January number, just to get a full data set? Ciaz 2024 Registrations: January: February: 26 March: 28 April: 147 You will have to chat with Mrs.T about that, but sadly she is not a member here..... Though her near 10 year old car is still running great, a good ad for a cheap car, I suppose the Japanese touch has something to do with it. 🤗 Plus, incredibly cheap to run, low road tax, low insurance, no charging station problems to worry about, so all good... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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