Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[Ralf001]

25 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

I have a BYD Atto Extended Range (60KW battery).  It has a 480 NEDC or 420WLTP range rating.  Realworld I get around 440Km in combined city and highway driving.   A 78Km daily round trip would allow me to make such a trip at least 5 times with some battery left over....or said another way 5 days worth of 78Km trips.   If you get stuck in traffic and just inch along for a few hours you will not burn much battery juice....since the electric motor is not needing to power the EV too far since you are stuck in traffic.    

 

And why worry about a low battery charge assuming you top-up the charge every few days just to play it safe.  Or you can live dangerously and just let the charge get really low....then you'll will want to drink the whole six pack as you will be piss444ed at yourself.

 

Lot of EV fanboi waffle.

Reply in point form to my question please

[HighPriority]

50 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Driving used to be about freedom and the open road, they even made movies and countless songs about that absolute sense of freedom. 

Now it is all about planning and having a phone full of apps. I truly feel sorry for you, you are serving hard time in a self-created EV jail.

Be better than self serving hard time in an ev thread, maybe you and Ralf should go for a cruise together 😘😘

[ExpatOilWorker]

33 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

My EV has 580km of range from it's 82.5kWh LFP battery. Since that first week I have never had to pay for any charge. I have an off-grid solar system (no PEA) that powers my house, 2 EVs and an electric motorbike.

 

My EV is a sports car with 3.8 seconds 0-100kph that's what the 3.8s is on the back of the car.

 

 

A video with my Thai friend in the car

 

 

Fuel and freedom is for real men.  You can take your friend to Brokeback Mountain ⛰️ any day you want, no need to tell me.

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Fuel and freedom is for real men.  You can take your friend to Brokeback Mountain ⛰️ any day you want, no need to tell me.

The fact that the only way you can comprehend an expat having a Thai friend is if it’s his boyfriend speaks volumes about how you see Thailand. 
 

Now it’s my turn to feel sorry for you and your sad expat ghetto life. Certainly nobody will be writing songs about it.

[KhunLA]

I must really be F'g bored ... hmm, let me see ... searching for just the fast chargers...

 

... nope can't find any, so if living in Chonburi, use the baht buses ... 

 

Photo below is obviously fake, as the guy on the barstool next to me, told me there is no fast charging network in TH.

[Skipalongcassidy]

20 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

I wish the anti-EVers would make up their minds. Some says flooding causes EVs to burst into flames and we here we have move along Joe saying that it would cause it not to burn.

 

It’s just another made up myth, like so many others.

Tell that myth to the hundreds of people who have died due to ev fires...

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Tell that myth to the hundreds of people who have died due to ev fires...

 

https://www.motortrend.com/features/you-are-wrong-about-ev-fires/

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Tell that myth to the hundreds of people who have died due to ev fires...

 

"How Common Are Electric Car Fires?

Electric car fires are exceedingly rare. There will be only three electric car fires per 1,000 vehicles over the vehicle’s lifetime. Fuel-powered vehicles will experience fires 35 times more frequently over their lifetimes.

 

Since 2010, researchers who study vehicle fires found 200 fires in electric cars over the last 12 years. That research also studied the whole world and not just the United States. The U.S., however, had the most fires of that, 200: 52. The researchers also stated that in 20 years, the percentage of electric cars that experience fires might go up after two decades of wear and tear.

 

The number of fires has stayed constant since electric vehicles jumped from experimental status to a viable choice for people buying vehicles.

 

Are Electric Cars More Prone to Fires?

Electric cars are not more prone to catching fire than their fuel-powered counterparts. Hybrid vehicles often catch fire because they, in essence, have two engines. It’s still not common even when considering hybrid vehicles, which catch fire about 130 times for every straight-up electric car. That’s still only roughly 3,000 per 100,000 or one in a hundred vehicles over the vehicle’s life.

 

A new lithium battery is also even less prone to fires than lithium-ion batteries. It’s called the lithium iron phosphate battery. Recently, Tesla, Volkswagen, and Ford are switching to these new batteries for their newest vehicles. This will make a rare event even rarer. Still, the risk is so low that there are no plans to recall and retrofit already-produced electric vehicles. The same holds true for hybrid cars, whose fire incidence will also be drastically reduced.

 

Improvements are “coming down the pike” more and more quickly these days, so changes to the power plants of electric vehicles are inevitable. As the market changes, safety measures for these electric vehicles are bound to change along with it."

[JBChiangRai]

14 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

I have little knowledge of these sewing machine cars but.....

 

My daily commute to and from work is 78km each way takes 1hr give or take.

 

bit of a storm earlier this week in the Sriracha/Pintong area had the 7 motorway well flooded at the Laem Chabang intersection.

 

Created heavy traffic congestion that resulted in my 1 hr commute taking 2.5hrs.

 

I was fine with half a tank of dinosaur juice in the tank 2 packs of smokes and 6 pack of leos on the passenger seat but had me pondering.

 

If I owned one of these sewing machine vehicle and was a bit low on battery but enough for a typical commute would I have made it home ?

 

13 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

ok well answer the question.

 

distance to home - 78km.

battery distance to empty - 90km

typical drive time is 1hr.

road flooded drive time is 2.5hrs.

 

would I have got home or would I have been stranded with no battery.

 

You are commuting almost 160km per day, if you can charge at work or home, you are going to have a full tank of electrons every day with an EV.

 

You will save a lot of money, running, an EV, not only that, but you are going to arrive at your destination, much more relaxed, and refreshed because of the silent drive.

 

EV’s travel through flooded roads where ICE cars cannot.

 

On Your second point about distance to home and only 12 km left, that is not going to happen, because because your car is going to be full of electrons every morning if you charge at home or every evening if you charge at work.

 

[Ralf001]

49 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

You are commuting almost 160km per day, if you can charge at work or home, you are going to have a full tank of electrons every day with an EV.

 

You will save a lot of money, running, an EV, not only that, but you are going to arrive at your destination, much more relaxed, and refreshed because of the silent drive.

 

EV’s travel through flooded roads where ICE cars cannot.

 

On Your second point about distance to home and only 12 km left, that is not going to happen, because because your car is going to be full of electrons every morning if you charge at home or every evening if you charge at work.

 

Charging at home or work was not my question.

[Gweiloman]

15 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

I have little knowledge of these sewing machine cars but.....

 

My daily commute to and from work is 78km each way takes 1hr give or take.

 

bit of a storm earlier this week in the Sriracha/Pintong area had the 7 motorway well flooded at the Laem Chabang intersection.

 

Created heavy traffic congestion that resulted in my 1 hr commute taking 2.5hrs.

 

I was fine with half a tank of dinosaur juice in the tank 2 packs of smokes and 6 pack of leos on the passenger seat but had me pondering.

 

If I owned one of these sewing machine vehicle and was a bit low on battery but enough for a typical commute would I have made it home ?

It’s been a while since I drove an ICEV or visited a petrol station. Since you’re obviously well versed in ICEs, I was wondering. If I had 70 kms to travel and my fuel range indicator shows 80 km of range left and the roads are choco blocked with start and go traffic, could I make it to my destination without having to turn off my air con or turning off the engine each time traffic comes to a halt?

 

Or should I have engaged my brain earlier and made sure that I had sufficient range, taking into account that accidents could occur causing traffic jams, that it could rain causing flash floods etc?

[gamb00ler]

4 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Tell that myth to the hundreds of people who have died due to ev fires...

 

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

https://www.motortrend.com/features/you-are-wrong-about-ev-fires/

Everyone except Skip's favorite monetized YouTuber is lying!

[Gweiloman]

13 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Cool thanks, will look into it.

The place I fuel up (company card) with diesel do not have a charge stations that I have seen.....

but then I throw in 80lt of diesel (in a few minutes) and that lasts me a week so have not taken much notice of EV owners drinking lattes for an hour whilst their sewing machine charge up.

So sad that after all this time and numerous posts, you still can’t get your head around the fact that unlike fossil fuel cars, most EV owners don’t have to make regular trips to charging stations to charge their cars. They get home, plug the car in and … that’s it. No sitting in the car for an attendant to come up to the car, no waiting for the tank to be filled, no waiting for the attendant to realise your car is filled, no handing over cash or card to the petrol attendant, no waiting for the board to be removed from the bonnet before you can drive away, no waiting for traffic to pass before you can rejoin the road…

 

Boy, am I glad I have an EV. 

[Ralf001]

12 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

It’s been a while since I drove an ICEV or visited a petrol station. Since you’re obviously well versed in ICEs, I was wondering. If I had 70 kms to travel and my fuel range indicator shows 80 km of range left and the roads are choco blocked with start and go traffic, could I make it to my destination without having to turn off my air con or turning off the engine each time traffic comes to a halt?

 

Or should I have engaged my brain earlier and made sure that I had sufficient range, taking into account that accidents could occur causing traffic jams, that it could rain causing flash floods etc?

 

ahh another that ignores my question.

[Andrew Dwyer]

As often stated on these threads ev’s aren’t for everyone, if your circumstances mean you don’t have easy access to a charger ( home or office) then you should consider the inconvenience you are prepared to experience if buying one ( although a weekly trip to a nearby pump or mall would be sufficient for most people).

If you travel regularly long distances and are worried about excessive time spent charging or lack of chargers you should consider this also ( even though I find charging infrastructure more than adequate and after a few hours driving i am ready for a bathroom/meal break while charging ).

 

I can charge my EV every night if i wish waking up with 100% battery and a 600 km range, paying 2.6 baht a unit/kw , i can set the timer to charge as much or as little as i like , obviously those with solar benefit even further.

 

Some foresight is required to avoid any complications but with many ev’s having > 400km range and LFP batteries ( top up to 100% daily with no degradation) then it is only common sense to avoid leaving yourself short.

 

If you are interested in purchasing an EV and come here for information to help you decide then welcome.

If you come here to discuss the pros and cons of EV ownership to assist others decide then welcome.

 

If you come here, despite knowing very little about the subject, and just post negative views, despite often unfounded, because that’s what you do on most threads here then you need to seek help.

[Ralf001]

32 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

As often stated on these threads ev’s aren’t for everyone, if your circumstances mean you don’t have easy access to a charger ( home or office) then you should consider the inconvenience you are prepared to experience if buying one ( although a weekly trip to a nearby pump or mall would be sufficient for most people).

If you travel regularly long distances and are worried about excessive time spent charging or lack of chargers you should consider this also ( even though I find charging infrastructure more than adequate and after a few hours driving i am ready for a bathroom/meal break while charging ).

 

I can charge my EV every night if i wish waking up with 100% battery and a 600 km range, paying 2.6 baht a unit/kw , i can set the timer to charge as much or as little as i like , obviously those with solar benefit even further.

 

Some foresight is required to avoid any complications but with many ev’s having > 400km range and LFP batteries ( top up to 100% daily with no degradation) then it is only common sense to avoid leaving yourself short.

 

If you are interested in purchasing an EV and come here for information to help you decide then welcome.

If you come here to discuss the pros and cons of EV ownership to assist others decide then welcome.

 

If you come here, despite knowing very little about the subject, and just post negative views, despite often unfounded, because that’s what you do on most threads here then you need to seek help.

yeah nice blurb.

but if battery is low.... but has just enough indicated capacity to get home on a regular commute.

if that commute doubles or triples due to congestion cause by accident or flooding will there be enough charge ?

[macahoom]

 

For the sake of my sanity, would it be possible for AN to instigate an IQ test that members would be required to pass before posting?

[JBChiangRai]

14 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

yeah nice blurb.

but if battery is low.... but has just enough indicated capacity to get home on a regular commute.

if that commute doubles or triples due to congestion cause by accident or flooding will there be enough charge ?

Why should it be any different to a petrol car that indicates the same low range?

 

Even if your car runs on blue cheese, mined on the moon, if you don’t have enough blue cheese in the tank, then you’re going to run out are you not?

[Andrew Dwyer]

7 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

yeah nice blurb.

but if battery is low.... but has just enough indicated capacity to get home on a regular commute.

if that commute doubles or triples due to congestion cause by accident or flooding will there be enough charge ?

If it doubles or triples then no there will not be enough charge, but if you put yourself in that situation where you let the battery charge get down so low without covering the eventualities then you probably deserve to get stranded to teach you a lesson for the future.

As an aside , the same scenario could arise in an ICE car and probably has on more than one occasion.

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, macahoom said:

 

For the sake of my sanity, would it be possible for AN to instigate an IQ test that members would be required to pass before posting?

 

Some people already have their IQ posted in their avatar? Like someone whose moniker that ends in 001 or 41

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

If it doubles or triples then no there will not be enough charge, but if you put yourself in that situation where you let the battery charge get down so low without covering the eventualities then you probably deserve to get stranded to teach you a lesson for the future.

As an aside , the same scenario could arise in an ICE car and probably has on more than one occasion.

 

 

ok so one would be <deleted> then.

same scenario with an ICE vehicle.

With an ICE vehicle the motor way rescue crew could come with a 5lt jug of fuel to get me going again......

[gamb00ler]

7 minutes ago, macahoom said:

 

For the sake of my sanity, would it be possible for AN to instigate an IQ test that members would be required to pass before posting?

It seem as if forum management has determined that if you can manage to login, your IQ is high enough to allow posting.

[Ralf001]

8 minutes ago, macahoom said:

 

For the sake of my sanity, would it be possible for AN to instigate an IQ test that members would be required to pass before posting?

the pub sub forum would be dead

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

the pub sub forum would be dead

Whereas here? We just have to put up with those who are brain dead.

[Andrew Dwyer]

9 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

ok so one would be <deleted> then.

same scenario with an ICE vehicle.

With an ICE vehicle the motor way rescue crew could come with a 5lt jug of fuel to get me going again......

or someone could give you some electrons via the charging port .

[Ralf001]

15 hours ago, vinny41 said:

I have seen reports in the EV facebook groups  of batteries being unstable or unreliable once the battery drops below 20% some EV owners reporting range drops from 12km to 0km in less than 30 seconds

 

inteesting.

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

or someone could give you some electrons via the charging port .

 

does the motorway services do electrons via the charging port ?

[HighPriority]

10 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

does the motorway services do electrons via the charging port ?

For the willfully ignorant amongst us…

[Andrew Dwyer]

Currently Bidirectional Charging or V2V ( vehicle to vehicle ) is limited to some vehicles but is high on the list of improvements for ev’s.

 

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/bidirectional-charging-and-evs-how-does-it-work-and-which-cars-have-it/

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Currently Bidirectional Charging or V2V ( vehicle to vehicle ) is limited to some vehicles but is high on the list of improvements for ev’s.

 

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/bidirectional-charging-and-evs-how-does-it-work-and-which-cars-have-it/

You can do it with your V2L adaptor and your granny charger.