Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[motdaeng]

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[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

If you can't afford a real car, you can at least make it look like a real car.

 

That looks like an official pop up showroom in a shopping centre? Where did you take the picture? Have they really stuck a Merc badge on an MG5?? Surely that is Photoshopped? It can't be an official MG pop up.

If it is real, whoever did it is a very sad person.

[josephbloggs]

16 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

That looks like an official pop up showroom in a shopping centre? Where did you take the picture? Have they really stuck a Merc badge on an MG5?? Surely that is Photoshopped? It can't be an official MG pop up.

If it is real, whoever did it is a very sad person.

Must be a second hand showroom of some sort. Here's the same car on the road. Either very sad or he/she's got a very good sense of humour. I suspect the former though.

 

This guy is obviously richer because his is a C250! Some odd people out there. The guy in the house opposite me is one such case, he has a BMW 520d but has stuck an M5 badge on it. It's just sad.

 

[JBChiangRai]

If he is very sad for adding fake badges, then I must be very happy for removing real badges.

 

I hate badges of any sort on a car.

 

Next time you follow a Toyota pickup count the number of Toyota badges on the tailgate, including the logo, it’s horrific.

 

BYD Seal has a BYD badge and a BYD Seal badge. The second badge should be “Seal”, the second BYD is repetitive.

[Pib]

On 8/23/2024 at 9:07 PM, Pib said:

 

 

Update: my Car Scanner Pro Android app and my OBD2 dongle now display traction SOH for my Atto.   Over the last few days the app apparently updated its connection profile file (i.e., driver) for my Atto.   After 10 months and 19,458km of driving the traction battery's SOH is 95.88%.  

 

I now need to determine how often and what triggers a SOH update.   I first noticed the SOH availability mid day when charging to 100% at a ReverSharger DC charger....filling up with some free electrons since my Atto gets free charging till 3 Jan 2025 under the current BYD charging promotion.   This evening after burning off the charge down to around 80% I charged to 100% again with my home wall charger....I wanted to see if the SOH might update/change every time a person charges to 100%.   But it did not update/change....SOH didn't change even a tiny bit..it remained 95.88% 

 

At this point in time I'm going to guess the SOH will only update when letting the battery drop to 10% or less charge which triggers a charge now warning....and a person is also suppose to let the charge to drop to 10% or less followed by a charge to 100% every 3 to 6 months as this recalibrates the BMS charge measuring/indication system....the last time I did a recalibration was about a month ago.

 

I will update once I figure out what & when a SOH update is triggered.

 

 

Update to above:  From further review/testing of the "SOH" reading of 95.88% provided by the Car Scanner Pro app and OBD2 dongle I have determined it is "not" providing the "current", repeat, current SOH.    Instead, it's providing a reading based on data/a measurement hard-coded into the vehicle at the "Factory"/when the EV was manufactured--and this Factory data/measurement is never updated....it's hard-coded/locked data/measurement and is never updated/changed as the vehicle is driven over the ensuring years.  And it's not necessarily a Factory SOH measurement; instead, it's just another battery capacity test done at the factory for testing purposes before the vehicle gets shipped out to a BYD dealership somewhere in the world.

 

Basically, the app is providing a "Calculated" SOH (the operative word is calculated) by dividing the Factory measurement of "HV Battery Pack Factory Nominal Capacity of 145.73AH"  by the Factory data entry of "HV Battery Pack Pack Factory Capacity of 152AH."  See 2nd snapshot below.   And the 152AH metric is not actually a measurement but a rating given by the battery manufacturer.  Now the 145.73AH metric is probably an actual measurement which is then hard-coded/locked into the vehicle's OBD system.    These two hard-coded metrics are shown in the scanner app and pulled directly from the vehicle OBD system.   Divide 145.73 by 152 and you get 95.875% which when rounded is 95.88% which is the exact same number shown in the separate SOH reading displayed in the app (see 3rd snapshot below).

 

I expect the Car Scanner app developer has received a lot of requests to add a SOH reading to the app but since the OBD data for such a measurement is probably proprietary info that BYD does not want to release other than probably to BYD Dealerships which have specialized BYD diagnostic equipment that the app developer just used the two accessible "HV Battery Pack Factory OBD metrics" talked above and then assumed a "calculation" of those two metrics (i.e., divide one by the other) was the only way to provide a SOH reading.   

 

Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier those two metrics never change/are hard coded/done at the factory.  But the app developer did title the SOH reading as "SOH Calculated" vs simply SOH.    I expect the vehicle does track the "current" SOH and updates a SOH metric in the OBD system but BYD is not releasing open-source type info which would allow OBD Scanner developers to write software to pull that info from the vehicle's OBD system.   

 

So, I expect some app developers just do the best they can to provide some type of SOH reading although the way they are doing it may not be valid....but it's good enough to make some/many customers think the SOH reading is the real-world, current battery SOH when it fact it is not.   Those customers will figure that after a while when they wonder why the SOH reading never changes after years of driving the vehicle.  

 

I came to above conclusion after finding out that when I discharged the battery to less than 10% and then recharged to 100% the SOH reading nor those two "HV Battery Pack Factory" readings did not change....not even when the measurement indicate to two decimal points.  

 

A few days ago I discharged my Atto down to 1% on the car's display (which was actually 0.9% per OBD data) and then did a full recharge to 100% at home using my 7KW wall charger.  And I did not discharge to 1% by just driving the car around to say I got down to around 5% and then just let the car idle with A/C and headlights on to further discharge it down to 1% in the safety of my home carport.  Oh no , I got down to 1% after an approx 150Km trip....arrived back home with 1% charge and 5Km range remaining....am I brave or not...or just crazy!!!!     

 

The WLTP range rating of my Atto is 420Km with no A/C usage as the WLTP test is accomplished without A/C turned on....but I got a real world range of 424.1km with A/C always on and set to 22C.   This provides solid evidence the vehicle's battery SOH is still very good after my 10.5 months of use and having a little over 20,000Km on the odometer.    

 

 

1st snapshot below shows since my last full charge I drove 419.1Km with 5Km range left when hitting 1% charge remaining.  

 

 

 

 

2nd Snapshot: shows those "HV Battery Pack Factory" metrics I was talking about.  Divide the two as discuss earlier and you get 95.88%.  Also, shows another hard-coded metric from the factory of a 64% State of Charge (SoC)....this metric has never changed....it just records/shows the EV was charged to 64% before being shipped out to the world.

 

 

 

 

3rd Snapshot: Shows the SOH reading.   I shortened the title to simply SOH vs SOH Calculated.  When I first added the reading to the app's display it  was titled SOH Calculated but I shortened it to simply SOH.  Kinda like how you might save a browser bookmark but then change/edit/shorten/lengthen the bookmark title so it makes sense to you.

 

 

 

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[Pib]

I will add that from watching a lot of Youtube videos I consider very creditable and lots of googling over the last week regarding how Tesla determines the current SOH, it is done by initiating a special battery capacity test the owner can initiate in the car's infotainment service menu area.  Basically this test can take 12 to 24 hrs because it discharges the battery to the 0 to 5% SoC ballpark and then recharges to 100% on a slow charger (i.e., 7KW or less).  

 

During this recharge the battery's "capacity" is measured by the OBD system....that is, how many KWH/AH the battery can "now" hold compared to its rated capacity when new from the factory. 

 

Up until the EV owner runs this test the car's infotainment display will continue to report a 100% SOH....even if the Tesla EV is many years old...and has lot of mileage and charges under its belt.  Once this test is run the SOH reading is updated....no longer reports 100% but reports the "current" SOH which will be something less than 100% assuming the EV has at least a few months of usage under its belt.   

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

9 hours ago, Pib said:

and then did a full recharge to 100% at home using my 7KW wall charger.

This is rock solid and really good 👍 information, thanks for the write up.

Did you by any chance record how many kWh your Atto took when charging from 1-100% and calculated the SOH, similar to the Tesla test you describe in ur next post?

[Bandersnatch]

15 hours ago, DTL2014 said:

hyundai ionic 5 N - avaibale at 3.8m baht

 

 

Thanks for that. Do you have a link?

 

Just wondering if this is a grey import price as the 5 N is not listed on the Thai Hyundai site and the UK price is ฿2.8m

 

 

 

[vinny41]

8 Chinese carmakers aim to propose EV3.0 terms adjustments, the cause of the “EV price war”

However, there is an idea to propose to the government to adjust the conditions for compensatory production, where companies participating in the EV 3.0 measure must produce 1.5 times the amount previously imported for sale, because the current market situation is in a severe slowdown. When production in Thailand began, it could not be sold and could not be exported anywhere, resulting in a lot of stock remaining, so prices had to be reduced to clear the products.

“Now that the market situation is bad, operators have no choice but to reduce prices because if they join the measure and do not produce, they will be fined, which is more than 500,000-600,000 baht per vehicle. Therefore, it is better to reduce prices rather than being fined. 

https://autolifethailand.tv/chinese-embassy-ev-price-war/

[vinny41]

A hopeless girl's EV car has water damage and the battery is broken. The insurance company has not paid the claim and suggested putting it in the sun. The insurance company said that they will expedite the process.

The insurance is the responsibility of the insurance company. Neta Company could not answer much. The company already informed that the battery should be replaced by informing the insurance company, but the insurance company disappeared. They contacted again on August 29. It is also not advisable to expose the battery to sunlight. The battery was damaged by water and short-circuited. There is a high risk of malfunction and danger to customers who will be harmed.

https://www.matichon.co.th/local/news_4777754

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

A hopeless girl's EV car has water damage and the battery is broken. The insurance company has not paid the claim and suggested putting it in the sun. The insurance company said that they will expedite the process.

The insurance is the responsibility of the insurance company. Neta Company could not answer much. The company already informed that the battery should be replaced by informing the insurance company, but the insurance company disappeared. They contacted again on August 29. It is also not advisable to expose the battery to sunlight. The battery was damaged by water and short-circuited. There is a high risk of malfunction and danger to customers who will be harmed.

https://www.matichon.co.th/local/news_4777754

Neta isn't 🎖 honoring their 8 years battery warranty??

 

https://www.neta.co.th/en/aftersale

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

8 Chinese carmakers aim to propose EV3.0 terms adjustments, the cause of the “EV price war”

However, there is an idea to propose to the government to adjust the conditions for compensatory production, where companies participating in the EV 3.0 measure must produce 1.5 times the amount previously imported for sale, because the current market situation is in a severe slowdown. When production in Thailand began, it could not be sold and could not be exported anywhere, resulting in a lot of stock remaining, so prices had to be reduced to clear the products.

“Now that the market situation is bad, operators have no choice but to reduce prices because if they join the measure and do not produce, they will be fined, which is more than 500,000-600,000 baht per vehicle. Therefore, it is better to reduce prices rather than being fined. 

https://autolifethailand.tv/chinese-embassy-ev-price-war/

They Chinese are their own undoing and now they are crying a river when they take their own medicine. 

We have talked about this part before "When production in Thailand began, it could not be sold and could not be exported anywhere..."

Over capacity is real and there is simply no demand and no export market for the millions of cars Chinese auto manufacturers want to produce.

The pile up in various ports is not because of lack of logistics, but plain and simple over supply.

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Neta isn't 🎖 honoring their 8 years battery warranty??

 

https://www.neta.co.th/en/aftersale

 

No in this case it was an accident lady was driving it start raining hard unable to see what was on the road due to flood water car hit something that pierce a hole in the battery pack driver got home next day started car drove less than a kilometer. A turtle symbol came up about a system failure. The moisture barrier had a problem. The battery icon came up again. Then the steering wheel locked and the car went into a coma.”.

 https://www.matichon.co.th/local/news_4777754 

Case does highlight that if you battery issues and you need to call a tow truck while both the customer and the call centre may opt for the nearest service centre being the cheapest in distance the call centre should advise that the nearest doesn't have the necessary equipment to handle battery removal and should advise customer tow truck should go the nearest service centre that supports battery removal

[ExpatOilWorker]

The airbags in an Atto 3 is just for show.

 

 

[KhunLA]

28 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Neta isn't 🎖 honoring their 8 years battery warranty??

 

https://www.neta.co.th/en/aftersale

Why should they cover the damage, as it was no fault of Neta.   She had an accident, so it's claimed on her accident insurance.

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The airbags in an Atto 3 is just for show.

 

 

There is an article on khaosod they have blurred out the logo on the steering wheel but didn't blur out the air vents design  so everyone knows what the brand is 

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

A hopeless girl's EV car has water damage and the battery is broken. The insurance company has not paid the claim and suggested putting it in the sun. The insurance company said that they will expedite the process.

The insurance is the responsibility of the insurance company. Neta Company could not answer much. The company already informed that the battery should be replaced by informing the insurance company, but the insurance company disappeared. They contacted again on August 29. It is also not advisable to expose the battery to sunlight. The battery was damaged by water and short-circuited. There is a high risk of malfunction and danger to customers who will be harmed.

https://www.matichon.co.th/local/news_4777754

Nonsense, half an hour with a hairdryer and it’ll be right as rain.

[Pib]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The airbags in an Atto 3 is just for show.

 

 

 

It looks like he ran into a "pole" and when I look in the BYD Atto manual and do some googling about "hitting a utility pole" the  Atto manual (1st snapshot below) and googling about airbags deployment when hitting certain objects it says airbags might "not" deploy if hitting a utility pole, tree or similar object as the force of the impact is concentrated to where the full force of impact is not delivered to the impact/airbag sensors.   

 

See the explanation given in the KIA manual below (2nd snapshot below).  And my googling seemed to indicate this is a common issue with many cars....there are certain types of impacts that simply may not trigger airbag deployment.

 

 

From the Atto manual

 

From the Kia manual

 

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

The Atto manual have a KIA (killed in action) section? 😉 

BYD is forward thinking after all.

 

[Pib]

32 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The Atto manual have a KIA (killed in action) section? 😉 

BYD is forward thinking after all.

 

No....the Kia stuff/snapshot is from googling which took me to a Kia manual talking airbag deployment   (but I know you are jesting).

 

Regarding airbag deployment on an Atto back in mid August when I went to a nearby BYD Dealership to get some free charging/electrons I need to queue for about 15 minutes until a charger became available.   The security guard let me park in their body shop maintenance shed just to get out of the sun until the charger freed-up....I got out and walked around a little to look at stuff such as damaged vehicles.

 

In  that body shop maintenance area there were 3 or 4 various BYD vehicles that had been in major accidents....I mean major damage or totaled. One of them was an Atto that had apparently been in a very serious collision and then also rolled the car from looking at the damage on the sides and trunk area.  The damage was around twice as worst as shown in your earlier post...to include every window being shattered, left rear axle bent to a 45 degree angle, rear trunk area damaged, engine area damaged a LOT more than in your picture above.   This vehicle had definitely been in a serious-serious accident....car was surely totaled.   And the traction battery had "not" been damaged the best I could tell from looking at the underside and around the car.

 

One thing that stood out to me was "all" airbags had deployed and the cabin integrity was not breached in any way....the driver and passengers definitely have good protection from the cabin being seriously crushed-in where shoulder/seat beats and airbags would provide little to no protection.   Actually seeing that totaled Atto and how the cabin area remained intact, traction battery apparently undamaged, and all airbags having deployed gave me a good feeling that the Atto provides excellent driver/passenger protection in an accident.

 

 

 

 

[Pib]

Below is how "an ambulance chaser" (a.k.a., a personal injury attorney in the U.S.) puts it regarding airbag non-deployment during an accident..

 

 

https://www.thechampionfirm.com/blog/why-didn-t-my-airbag-go-off-in-my-car-accident/#:~:text=The Nature of the Collision&text=Each vehicle has sensors that,airbag deployment will not happen.

 

[HighPriority]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The Atto manual have a KIA (killed in action) section? 😉 

BYD is forward thinking after all.

 

You idiot…

🤣

[vinny41]

MG big boss sits as EV association president, insists Thailand must be a production base for export to Europe.

https://www.prachachat.net/economy/news-1646266

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

MG big boss sits as EV association president, insists Thailand must be a production base for export to Europe.

https://www.prachachat.net/economy/news-1646266

You can almost hear the Chinese EV manufacturers cry 😢 like a whining baby.

They are not competitive on a level playing field. They need support and subsidies day and night. What a bunch of loosers. ICE will kick their arse any day of the week.

 

"It is believed that the Thai electric vehicle industry still has a lot of room for growth if it receives support, promotion and encouragement from all sectors.... "

[ExpatOilWorker]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

MG big boss sits as EV association president, insists Thailand must be a production base for export to Europe.

https://www.prachachat.net/economy/news-1646266

The EV manufacturers might soon find out that Thailand 🇹🇭 always do what is best for Thailand 🇹🇭. 

Just like they did with Chevron and the Erawan field, the Australian gold mine, the Austrian ambulances and fire trucks and of course the HK Hopewell project.

It is popcorn 🍿 😋 time.

[Bandersnatch]

BYD M6 is officially launched!
 

🔴 BYD M6 Dynamic model price 829,900 baht

🔴 BYD M6 Extended model. Price 929,900 baht.

.
BYD M6 Extended model.

- top power 150 kW / 204 horsepower
- Maximum torque 310 Newton-Meter
- Battery capacity 71.8 kWh
- Range 530 km.
- Car Dimensions 4,710x1,810x1,690 Wheel Base 2,800 mm. (Ground clearance 70 mm )
- 6 Seater Cabin
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BYD M6 Dynamic model

- Top power 120 kW / 163 HP
- Maximum torque 310 Newton-Meter
- battery capacity 55.4 kWh
- Range 420 km.
 

[ExpatOilWorker]

What kind of Mickey Mouse EV is this?

JY AIR? 

A quick Google search point me to the latest 30,000 BTU Mitsubishi aircon.

Is it held together with Scotch tape?

Why the Latin letters on the license plate?

 

[KhunLA]

30 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

What kind of Mickey Mouse EV is this?

JY AIR? 

A quick Google search point me to the latest 30,000 BTU Mitsubishi aircon.

Is it held together with Scotch tape?

Why the Latin letters on the license plate?

Don't use the internet search options much.  Try Junyao Air, although you may get the airlines.  Same guy owning and expanding to EV.  Add 'electric vehicle' to search parameter.  Articles & vids available 

 

Here, but not close to available .... yet.   You'll have to Q up later to put your deposit down for it.  Special paint job for you:

https://car2day.com/2024-juneyao-air-electric-fastback-spy-shot-in-thailand/

[Bandersnatch]

More discounts, this time the MG EP

 

 

 

The MG EP is known as the MG 5 in other countries and if you want to know what they look like after 120,000 miles:

 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

Discount 160,000 Clearance sale! Special price MG ES 100% electric car: 799,000 baht | Battery 51 kWh runs 412 km

Official price (CBU imported from China)

MG ES  959,000  799,000 baht*

* 160,000 baht discount on MG ES model, stock clearance sale from 959,000 to 799,000 baht.

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-discount-mg-es-ev-bev-thailand-sep2024/