snoop1130 23678 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 BANGKOK (NNT) - The Ministry of Transport has launched an investigation into a Thai AirAsia flight that landed on the wrong runway at Don Mueang Airport, which could have resulted in a serious aviation accident. The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT) reported that the Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation Committee (AAIC) is currently investigating the incident that occurred on May 4, 2022, in which Thai AirAsia Flight FD3141 landed on a different runway than the one scheduled. Although no injuries were reported, an investigation was launched since the incident can be deemed serious under Annex 13 of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) convention. Keep up to date with all things Thailand - Join our daily ASEAN NOW Thailand Newsletter - Click to subscribe The Aeronautical Radio of Thailand (Aerothai) said it has summoned air-traffic control officers for questioning, adding that anyone found at fault could face temporary suspension. Thai AirAsia has meanwhile apologized for the incident and suspended the flight’s pilot and co-pilot pending an investigation. According to CAAT, the investigation is expected to be completed within 30 days. The agency will then determine who is to be held responsible and use the data to develop prevention measures to ensure that similar incidents do not occur in the future. -- © Copyright NNT 2022-05-25 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sammieuk1 26054 Posted May 25 Popular Post Share Posted May 25 Was it the right airport in the right country 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wombat 4892 Posted May 25 Popular Post Share Posted May 25 Doesn't matter...all the amulets were up to date. 2 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffggi 9857 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 9 hours ago, snoop1130 said: The Aeronautical Radio of Thailand (Aerothai) said it has summoned air-traffic control officers for questioning, adding that anyone found at fault could face temporary suspension. Nice to see positive action being taken 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANSIAM 1174 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Alarming…….ATC, Captain and First Officer approach and land on the wrong runway……. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandeventer 4516 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 7 minutes ago, Geoffggi said: Nice to see positive action being taken It sounds like air traffic control may be at fault as the pilot and co-pilot are strictly checked for alcohol. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli 40596 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 10 hours ago, snoop1130 said: According to CAAT, the investigation is expected to be completed within 30 days. The agency will then determine who is to be held responsible and use the data to develop prevention measures to ensure that similar incidents do not occur in the future. Can only be the pilots, as they have already stated that they landed on the wrong runway.... As for prevention measures they already exist. Instruments are in the aircraft which give the pilots a visual indication of their aircraft position in relation to the "indicated landing runway" during a VFR laanding. however if you don't look at them and "presume" you're correct then you won't know for sure. No need for extra measures, just use the ones already installed to prevent this from happening. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Excel 11679 Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 Guess they are looking for a foreigner to blame it on 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Asquith Production 1071 Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, CANSIAM said: Alarming…….ATC, Captain and First Officer approach and land on the wrong runway……. Come on. Its hard enough to land a plane but even harder when on your phone 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PETERTHEEATER 5132 Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 The two main runways to which this flight would have been directed are parallel with each other defined as Left and Right. Seems the crew landed in the correct direction but on the wrong runway. Must have disturbed the Director playing golf... 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kcpattaya 1896 Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 R = L No Plobplem... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post apetryxx 923 Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 Quite possible. First of all, ATC communication is in English and from personal experience (especially if the weather is bad) I can tell you that rapid fire radio commands can easily be garbled particularly when English is your second language. Worldwide, pilots are regularly checked for their aviation English fluency but for domestic flights it can be rudimentary. In any case, don’t make assumptions about a situation that may have a simple answer. We’ll see what happened when the dust settles. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dddave 4463 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 20 minutes ago, kcpattaya said: R = L No Plobplem... In an article in another publication, the sometimes murky distinction with Thai speakers between spoken "L" & "R" could have been at the center of this incident. The runways in question both have either L or R in their designation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 993 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, hotchilli said: Can only be the pilots, as they have already stated that they landed on the wrong runway.... As for prevention measures they already exist. Instruments are in the aircraft which give the pilots a visual indication of their aircraft position in relation to the "indicated landing runway" during a VFR laanding. however if you don't look at them and "presume" you're correct then you won't know for sure. No need for extra measures, just use the ones already installed to prevent this from happening. Did ATC tell the pilots to land on the "wrong" runway? When the tapes are played back they will find out, if its ATC or the pilots. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum 5088 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 hours ago, vandeventer said: It sounds like air traffic control may be at fault as the pilot and co-pilot are strictly checked for alcohol. So you're saying that drink is to blame? I bet you're a tee totaller! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandeventer 4516 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 10 minutes ago, sambum said: So you're saying that drink is to blame? I bet you're a tee totaller! 10 minutes ago, sambum said: So you're saying that drink is to blame? I bet you're a tee totaller! No, and I am not a TEA person as it is much too strong for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLW 3711 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 What time the accident occurred? Usually the runway code is shown in big letters on the ground. Also it must have been visible on the digital map on the aircraft? And for communication with the tower, don't they use some prefix for single letters like 21 Romeo and 21 Lima? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel 11679 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Just now, CLW said: What time the accident occurred? Usually the runway code is shown in big letters on the ground. Also it must have been visible on the digital map on the aircraft? And for communication with the tower, don't they use some prefix for single letters like 21 Romeo and 21 Lima? Maybe they were practising sign language ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 12345 35 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Lot if aviation experts on this topic 55555 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveyboy 1275 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 5 hours ago, wombat said: Doesn't matter...all the amulets were up to date. Fly like they drive ..any direction ..anywhere ..anytime.. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANSIAM 1174 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 hours ago, Asquith Production said: Come on. Its hard enough to land a plane but even harder when on your phone Possible flight attendant distraction in the cockpit.......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanuman2547 985 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Pilot: Oops! My bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomchaiDIY 97 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 38 minutes ago, Jimbo 12345 said: Lot if aviation experts on this topic 55555 Yes many expert from computer chair Investigation report will show who is fault Here is correct landing at 21R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanuman2547 985 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 hours ago, Excel said: Guess they are looking for a foreigner to blame it on Any Burmese on board?? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post orchidfan 678 Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, CLW said: What time the accident occurred? Usually the runway code is shown in big letters on the ground. Also it must have been visible on the digital map on the aircraft? And for communication with the tower, don't they use some prefix for single letters like 21 Romeo and 21 Lima? No. The runways are normally called 21 Right or 21 Left......same as radar headings are given as "right heading" or "left heading". Yes, the runways are marked with the 21R or 21L on the threshold, but by the time you see that at 130 knots you're on it. As others have pointed out, there are plenty of "measures" to ensure that you are on the correct runway..... the ATIS will mostly nominate the landing runway ( but in the case od DMK this can be changed to suit traffic etc), also the Arrival clearance or STAR will nominate the runway as will the Approach Controller and finally the Tower controller. Even on a Visual Approach it is normal procedure (SOP) to input and identify the ILS approach for that runway as a secondary cross check. Finally, the landing clearance issued by the tower controller (SHOULD) will include the runway identifier......"Runway 21 Left, cleared to land" 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martand 43 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, dddave said: In an article in another publication, the sometimes murky distinction with Thai speakers between spoken "L" & "R" could have been at the center of this incident. The runways in question both have either L or R in their designation Don't they use NATO Phonetic alphabet (i.e. Romeo / Lima) in Tower control-airplane communications? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchidfan 678 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 minute ago, martand said: Don't they use NATO Phonetic alphabet (i.e. Romeo / Lima) in Tower control-airplane communications? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchidfan 678 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 By the way, I think it's ICAO phonetic alpahbet, not NATO!! And, yes, taxiways are referred to using the phonetic alphabet....." take taxiway Alpha and hld short of Juliet" for example. But not runways normally.....although I've heard some ( mostly Japanese and Korean) pilots read back using the "runway 25 Romeo" etc. Which is fine.. a bit like mask wearing....a personal choice, or part of their SOP's 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli 40596 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 4 hours ago, mikeymike100 said: Did ATC tell the pilots to land on the "wrong" runway? When the tapes are played back they will find out, if its ATC or the pilots. ATC cannot tell you to land on the "wrong runway"? You land on the one they tell you to, if you do that then there is no problem [unless it's closed for some reason] these guys landed on another one to what they were told to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 6893 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Better to land on the wrong runway of Don muang than the correct one at Luton! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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