Cabinet divisions break out over U.K. plan to override Brexit treaty

[onthedarkside]

 

PM Johnson said to have snapped at foreign secretary over legislation to overhaul N Ireland trading arrangements

 

Tensions flared in Boris Johnson’s cabinet on Wednesday as the prime minister prepared to publish legislation that would enable the UK government to rip up parts of its 2020 Brexit treaty with the EU.

 

Johnson snapped at Liz Truss, foreign secretary, accusing her of toughening up draft legislation to rewrite parts of the Northern Ireland protocol after pressure from Eurosceptic Tory MPs, according to people briefed on the meeting of cabinet ministers.

 

The protocol governs Northern Ireland’s trading arrangements, and Johnson is pressing Brussels to agree to changes because of concerns it has unleashed political tensions in the region as well as unacceptable border friction.

 

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https://www.ft.com/content/1acd84fe-bac8-4e16-b4b7-750016d37ee8

 

 

 

[onthedarkside]

Boris Johnson’s new Brexit gamble

A wounded prime minister retreats to his comfort zone

 

LONDON — Wounded by his party and with his leadership in peril, Boris Johnson is reaching — once again — for the Brexit button.

 

The British prime minister this week put the finishing touches to controversial legislation which would unilaterally rewrite parts of the Brexit divorce deal he negotiated with Brussels in 2019.

 

The long-anticipated bill to change the rules governing trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland was signed off by Johnson within 48 hours of the dramatic vote on his leadership Monday night, which saw 41 percent of his own MPs call for him to go.

 

Now preparing his political fightback, Johnson hopes to once again reap the domestic dividends of a pugnacious row with Brussels.

 

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https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-brexit-gamble-northern-ireland-protocol/

 

 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

Seems to be a tough and difficult choice to make .

Either stick with the E.U regulations and risk Northern Ireland leaving the U.K and joining Ireland , or ignoring the E.U regulations . 

  Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty 

[baboon]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Seems to be a tough and difficult choice to make .

Either stick with the E.U regulations and risk Northern Ireland leaving the U.K and joining Ireland , or ignoring the E.U regulations . 

  Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty 

Always someone else's fault. Always.

[robblok]

19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Seems to be a tough and difficult choice to make .

Either stick with the E.U regulations and risk Northern Ireland leaving the U.K and joining Ireland , or ignoring the E.U regulations . 

  Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty 

If you are not going to keep your word you should not agree to something. Untrustworthy that what it is. Next time don't trust UK.

 

Hope the EU puts up some sanctions if they do. First you agree to something and later you want to rip it up. Definition of untrustworthy. I hope the EU hits back hard if they do so. 

 

Besides if the Irish want to unite and leave the EU its their choice. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

If you are not going to keep your word you should not agree to something. Untrustworthy that what it is. Next time don't trust UK.

 

Hope the EU puts up some sanctions if they do. First you agree to something and later you want to rip it up. Definition of untrustworthy. I hope the EU hits back hard if they do so. 

 

Besides if the Irish want to unite and leave the EU its their choice. 

You must realise that situations change and if a Political party in Ireland wins an election , they may want something different to the previous Government, and so something needs to change .

   This is caused by the Irish electing a troublesome  Political party , instead of an agreeable one 

[baboon]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

If you are not going to keep your word you should not agree to something. Untrustworthy that what it is. Next time don't trust UK.

 

Hope the EU puts up some sanctions if they do. First you agree to something and later you want to rip it up. Definition of untrustworthy. I hope the EU hits back hard if they do so. 

 

Besides if the Irish want to unite and leave the EU its their choice. 

I have never been so disgusted to call myself British. There are many of us just like like myself who are equally appalled. 

Don't take this forum to be an accurate representation of the British.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, baboon said:

I have never been so disgusted to call myself British. There are many of us just like like myself who are equally appalled. 

Don't take this forum to be an accurate representation of the British.

Was you ever proud to be British ?

[Loiner]

8 minutes ago, baboon said:

I have never been so disgusted to call myself British. There are many of us just like like myself who are equally appalled. 

Don't take this forum to be an accurate representation of the British.

You could always claim an EU citizenship. Try staying there for a while. 
Don’t worry, nobody would mistake this forum to be an accurate representation of the British when there are so many posts similar to yours. 

[Loiner]

42 minutes ago, baboon said:

Always someone else's fault. Always.

Mac Mickmanus 5780

Posted 46 minutes ago

•   Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty 

 

I think he gave you a clue to who’s fault there. Again

[baboon]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Was you ever proud to be British ?

What does that even mean? Proud to have emerged from the vagina of a British woman? I didn't exactly have a choice.

I have been talking with French and German friends who also emerged from French and German vaginas and hey! We seem to get along just fine.

Getting along being the point, despite the poison of the UK press. Let your hate die with you.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

What does that even mean? Proud to have emerged from the vagina of a British woman? I didn't exactly have a choice.

I have been talking with French and German friends who also emerged from French and German vaginas and hey! We seem to get along just fine.

Getting along being the point, despite the poison of the UK press. Let your hate die with you.

Are you proud of your fellow British compatriots and (Country as a whole) its achievements and influence  in the World ?

[baboon]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Mac Mickmanus 5780

Posted 46 minutes ago

•   Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty 

 

I think he gave you a clue to who’s fault there. Again

Yes. Somebody else's...

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, baboon said:

Yes. Somebody else's...

Yes, thats right .

The E.U is causing problems between the U.K.,  Northern Ireland and Ireland .

[Bluespunk]

43 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You must realise that situations change and if a Political party in Ireland wins an election , they may want something different to the previous Government, and so something needs to change .

   This is caused by the Irish electing a troublesome  Political party , instead of an agreeable one 

The Irish have the right to elect any party they wish. It is no one’s business but theirs. The unionists need to accept they lost and agree to allow the Stormont to meet again.  

[candide]

35 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You could always claim an EU citizenship

Exactly! Like Rees-Mogg! ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The Irish have the right to elect any party they wish. It is no one’s business but theirs. The unionists need to accept they lost and agree to allow the Stormont to meet again.  

The Unionists have accepted the election result 

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Unionists have accepted the election result 

I didn’t say they hadn’t. I said they need to agree to allow Stormont to meet once more. 

[GrandPapillon]

well well, how this doesn't come as a surprise from the treacherous Boris ????

 

the EU is laughing, and maybe a possible full embargo would eventually calm down Boris and his silly ambitions ????

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I didn’t say they hadn’t. I said they need to agree to allow Stormont to meet once more. 

No, that is a different subject .

The election wasn't about Irish unification , that's a different matter .

Irish unification would only happen if there's a referendum agreeing with it 

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, that is a different subject .

The election wasn't about Irish unification , that's a different matter .

Irish unification would only happen if there's a referendum agreeing with it 

Who mentioned unification? I know I didn’t. 
 

Let Stormont meet again. 
 

Respect the vote…

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Seems to be a tough and difficult choice to make .

Either stick with the E.U regulations and risk Northern Ireland leaving the U.K and joining Ireland , or ignoring the E.U regulations . 

  Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty 

How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the EU is interfering with the UK's sovereignty?

 

The UK came to an Agreement with the EU that there would effectively be a border in the Irish Sea, ignoring warnings from the DUP that this would cause problems and increase tensions in NI. What would you have had the EU do? Refuse to sign the Agreement because they were worried about the matter? They would then -perhaps justifiably - have been accused of meddling in UK domestic issues. I can only imagine the outrage that Brexiters would have expressed if this scenario had become reality.

 

51 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You must realise that situations change and if a Political party in Ireland wins an election , they may want something different to the previous Government, and so something needs to change .

   This is caused by the Irish electing a troublesome  Political party , instead of an agreeable one 

So all the troubles caused by the protocol is due to Sinn Fein having the audacity to stand for election and the NI electorate for making them the biggest party? This would be laughable, and could form the basis of a Whitehall farce, if it wasn't so serious.

 

Identifying the cause of the problem is simple. It is due to the inability and/or the unwillingness of the UK government, who signed the deal to fully implement it.

 

The ability of Brexiters and this UK administration to avoid taking responsibility and accountability for their actions is astonishing, as is their ability to find new entities to blame.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Who mentioned unification? I know I didn’t. 
 

Let Stormont meet again. 
 

Respect the vote…

I thought that is what you meant by using the word "Stormont".

There are regular meetings at  Stormont and there will be more meetings in the future  , not sure why you want there to be meetings again, when they are currently meeting anyway

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

I thought that is what you meant by using the word "Stormont".

There are regular meetings at  Stormont and there will be more meetings in the future  , not sure why you want there to be meetings again, when they are currently meeting anyway

Stormont is the governing assembly in Northern Ireland. 
 

It cannot meet because of unionist intransigence and refusing to allow it to meet. 
 

They need to respect the vote and allow it to meet once more. 

[Chomper Higgot]

I thought Brexit was done?

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the EU is interfering with the UK's sovereignty?

 

The UK came to an Agreement with the EU that there would effectively be a border in the Irish Sea, ignoring warnings from the DUP that this would cause problems and increase tensions in NI. What would you have had the EU do? Refuse to sign the Agreement because they were worried about the matter? They would then -perhaps justifiably - have been accused of meddling in UK domestic issues. I can only imagine the outrage that Brexiters would have expressed if this scenario had become reality.

 

So all the troubles caused by the protocol is due to Sinn Fein having the audacity to stand for election and the NI electorate for making them the biggest party? This would be laughable, and could form the basis of a Whitehall farce, if it wasn't so serious.

 

Identifying the cause of the problem is simple. It is due to the inability and/or the unwillingness of the UK government, who signed the deal to fully implement it.

 

The ability of Brexiters and this UK administration to avoid taking responsibility and accountability for their actions is astonishing, as is their ability to find new entities to blame.

It is rather difficult for Boris .

The E.U wanting one thing and Irish wanting something else

He cannot agree to both things because they are contradictory .

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Stormont is the governing assembly in Northern Ireland. 
 

It cannot meet because of unionist intransigence and refusing to allow it to meet. 
 

They need to respect the vote and allow it to meet once more. 

They have respected the vote and Stormont can continue meeting 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, that is a different subject .

The election wasn't about Irish unification , that's a different matter .

Irish unification would only happen if there's a referendum agreeing with it 

So what was this nonsense about then?

 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Seems to be a tough and difficult choice to make .

Either stick with the E.U regulations and risk Northern Ireland leaving the U.K and joining Ireland , or ignoring the E.U regulations . 

  Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So what was this nonsense about then?

 

 

Its quite clearly written , it does make sense . 

If you need me to explain, you will have to wait for a few hours as I need to go out now 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They have respected the vote and Stormont can continue meeting 

No it cannot. 
 

Please do some research before coming up with such patently incorrect information. 
 

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/what-does-the-lack-of-a-speaker-mean-for-the-stormont-assembly-41646652.html