Opinion: Stop spreading misinformation about marijuana, educate the public

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I don't see the side effect of Paranoia listed anywhere. 

 

But if everyone is really out to get me ....... is it still paranoia?

[Wagga]

3 hours ago, WinterGael said:

Actually, there are autopsy proven cases where at least two people have died of cardiac arrest from smoking pot.  As with any drug, there are risks to one's health.  

OMG, two people. Shock, horror. How many more must die before this killer drug is eliminated   ????

 

Considering that quite literary hundreds of thousands of people have and still do partake of 420, every single day, the above post is a moot point.

[Elkski]

Why are the pro guys so defensive?   I do know the strength has changed dramatically in the last 45 years.  It ruined a night for me once.  Back 40 years ago I traveled to a friend's wedding and ended up in a hotel room with a high school crush. She smoked regularly but I didn't.   I became a couch potato after and my body was trembling and I was to incapacitated to make my move.   I also have had pretty strong paranoia but part of that is it's still illegal in my location.  I've heard with lawyer fees a bust can run 5k$.   I have a good nose and personally smelled kids on their deck smoking it at 400-500 meters at one end of a golf fairway when the wind was blowing just right.  The last gummy I tried (last 6 months) gave me the most severe case of cottonmouth ever. Water did no good and I basically couldn't talk.  However I have had some great edibles when Colo first went legal. for 2$ each so 4$ mixed with moms iced tea tasted great and gave a very low cost great feeling for 4 hours. 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Elkski

[TKDfella]

Although I have never used Cannabis etc I am a tea drinker, usually 3-4 mugs a day (but in situations similar to the song 'right said Fred', maybe more????). Black tea contains four stimulants Caffeine being the main one with smaller amounts of Theophylline, Theobromine and L-Theanine. The reason for mentioning this is that early in last decade because Cannabis use was on the increase some researches decided to compare this to tea/coffee plus marijuana mix. Original research started with Monkey trials (I think) and later with Rats. (for those here technically interested the research comes under neuro-science. For general reading 'Healthline' and similar pages ran articles later last decade, mixing Caffeine and Marijuana.) As far as I know there are no hard results yet except to say that in low concentrations the two seem enhance each other but in higher concentrations (presumably under medical directed quantities) problems could arise. Would be interesting to hear from someone who consumes such a mixture...anyone?

[pacovl46]

It is technically possible to die from a THC overdose, but the amount you'd have to consume for that to actually happen is so ginourmous that it's virtually impossible to do that to yourself because you'd pass out long before it came to that! 

[mikebike]

4 hours ago, WinterGael said:

Actually, there are autopsy proven cases where at least two people have died of cardiac arrest from smoking pot.  As with any drug, there are risks to one's health.  

Believe you when I see the autopsies.

[mikebike]

2 hours ago, WinterGael said:

The deaths were deemed cannibas related because on autopsy, no other cause could be determined.  One may have had an undiagnosed heart condition; however, as such, and with no previous issue causing him to seek medical attention, the cause of death being inhalation of excessive amounts of THC was listed as causing cardiac arrest.

 

But it doesn't matter, previous health aside, if someone Ingests or inhales something, bringing about death, the cause of death still is the ingestion or inhalation of said substance.

 

Having worked in an Emergency Room, I know that as much as people love to argue that cannibas is harmless, the medical evidence does not back it up.  I've seen people in restraints from cannibas-use induced paranoi and psychosis.  I personally know a friend who after smoking a high quality strain of Kush, got severe paranoia and ran out into traffic in fear of the "things chasing him. Luckily he did not die.  And no other substances were found on his tox screen.

Post a link or stop the BS.

[mikebike]

2 hours ago, WinterGael said:

I've seen people in restraints from cannibas-use induced paranoi and psychosis.

If you have worked in the medical profession you should know better than to post, "I saw this or that"... is that how you learned your trade or profession? By listening to your professors tell stories? Or did you learn from peer-reviewed research?

[fondue zoo]

10 hours ago, DezLez said:

I think that is what they have been doing just before they spout forth!

Now that TAT can buy weed openly expect all projected figures to be multiplied by 10.

1000 billion marijuana dollars expected during high season.

 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by fondue zoo

[sungod]

11 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

 

Well done Eric Parpart.

Well written and straight to the point.

Has last sentence sums it up.

My recommendation for related agencies is to stop, take a breather, research, talk to each other and then educate the public with accurate information. 

 

This decriminalization/law has been known well in advance.

How come the so called experts did not carry out any research in advance and have it published in science journals, rather than jumping to conclusions and having them published in tabloids?

In fact, why not look at other research carried out by international renowned scientists, who have had their credible research proven and published to share with other experts.

 

 

 

My recommendation for related agencies is to stop, take a big toke and chill out.

[Wagga]

4 hours ago, WinterGael said:

The deaths were deemed cannibas related because on autopsy, no other cause could be determined.  One may have had an undiagnosed heart condition; however, as such, and with no previous issue causing him to seek medical attention, the cause of death being inhalation of excessive amounts of THC was listed as causing cardiac arrest.

 

But it doesn't matter, previous health aside, if someone Ingests or inhales something, bringing about death, the cause of death still is the ingestion or inhalation of said substance.

 

Having worked in an Emergency Room, I know that as much as people love to argue that cannibas is harmless, the medical evidence does not back it up.  I've seen people in restraints from cannibas-use induced paranoi and psychosis.  I personally know a friend who after smoking a high quality strain of Kush, got severe paranoia and ran out into traffic in fear of the "things chasing him. Luckily he did not die.  And no other substances were found on his tox screen.

Seen and heard of many many more of the same things happen to people with alcohol induced symptoms. And more often than not, to their (or someone else's) demise.

 Cannabis, alcohol, there are certain types of people who should never ever touch either substance.

[snacks41]

I am few months shy of 50 and have been around weed smokers all my life. Young and old. I never saw or heard of an overdose related to smoking weed.  I heard of weed laced with other drugs causing deaths, but not straight up weed.  These days people experiment with different chemicals to try and enhance the high.  

[sawadee1947]

15 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

look at other research

That's obviously impossible. Thai people are different from other ethnics in the world. ????

[whaleboneman]

15 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Sounds like the same argument people make about Covid deaths.

In this case, if he would not have been on weed which causes increased heart rate, he would probably still be alive.

 

Written by Natalie Saunders, B.A., LicAc:

 

marijuana is not completely free of adverse effects. It can cause dry mouth and eyes, drowsiness, dizziness, and increased anxiety and paranoia in susceptible people. Cannabis can also cause your heart to race, a distressing side effect if it catches you by surprise. Furthermore, some people even claim that weed can increase your risk of heart attacks.

A trained acupuncturist quoting the beliefs of "some people". I love internet "facts" but seldom quote them. 

[whaleboneman]

14 hours ago, connda said:

Now we'll be deluged with posts about the potential negative effects of marijuana by every member who has never tried it or have only tried in once with mix results.  For those who are simply doing a copy and paste from an anti-cannabis Internet resource, please be kind enough to attribute your information.  Those of us who have been around this culture for fifty or sixty years actually understand the effects.  So when I hear that there has been a "marijuana overdose leading to death" the first thought I had was "there's a first" and my second thought was, "I wonder when they'll release a Thai version of Reefer Madness."
Good to see they actually performed an autopsy.
Then we start hearing that Thais are being admitted to hospitals for ingesting leaves that have no psychotropic active substance.  At best you'll get a little fibre in your diet.
Can someone be allergic?  I imagine so, but without taking a test by a doctor who specializes in allergies, claiming you're "allergic to cannabis leaves" after eating a cannabis leaf in some soup is unproven supposition.  Maybe the soup had not been stored well and they had a reaction to bacteria? 

I'm sure there will be plenty of misinformation and hyperbole over the next few months to keep the us all entertained.

I agree with most of what you say except for your info about leaves. I have been baking for years with just leaves and I guarantee that they can get you extremely high. All you really need to do is look at a healthy flowering plant in the sun and you can see the trichome laced leaves all over it. Drop by and I'll give you a cookie or two.

[Credo]

Marijuana is a drug and like all drugs, it has side effects.  A lot of Asians have an adverse reaction to alcohol that causes them to get very flushed and a few other symptoms.  I worked with a guy who can't use anything with caffeine in it.  He once drank something that had a small amount of caffeine and his reaction was rather intense, his heart was racing, his breathing was affected and he was shaking.  He knew it would pass which it did.  

 

Unless someone has some experience with it, it's best to introduce it at a low level.   

 

As far as it causing death, I don't know of any drug that can't cause death, but given the long history of cannabis, I suspect it's pretty safe on that metric.  Unless there is a level that's been determined to be deadly, it's quite irresponsible to say someone died from it.  People die from drinking too much but it is rare that someone actually dies of alcohol poisoning.  There are, however, levels of alcohol in the bloodstream that are known to be deadly.     

[kiwikeith]

17 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

 

Well done Eric Parpart.

Well written and straight to the point.

Has last sentence sums it up.

My recommendation for related agencies is to stop, take a breather, research, talk to each other and then educate the public with accurate information. 

 

This decriminalization/law has been known well in advance.

How come the so called experts did not carry out any research in advance and have it published in science journals, rather than jumping to conclusions and having them published in tabloids?

In fact, why not look at other research carried out by international renowned scientists, who have had their credible research proven and published to share with other experts.

 

 

 

Forget the Weed, remove the silly masks and open the country up, what a load of nonsense, weeds been around for years, but there is enough problems with drinking and driving, now you want stoned and paranoid drivers as well. 

[Hummin]

16 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

Forget the Weed, remove the silly masks and open the country up, what a load of nonsense, weeds been around for years, but there is enough problems with drinking and driving, now you want stoned and paranoid drivers as well. 

Waiting for peyote to be legal now, oh, wait, it is legal, 

[shdmn]

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It showed that the 51-year-old had an underlying disease that resulted in death from heart failure. 

Who could have predicted.  ????‍♂️

[pacovl46]

10 hours ago, mikebike said:

If you have worked in the medical profession you should know better than to post, "I saw this or that"... is that how you learned your trade or profession? By listening to your professors tell stories? Or did you learn from peer-reviewed research?

It is a well known fact that cannabis consume can cause psychosis in people who have a history of mental disease running in their family. This is precisely why the UK have recategorized cannabis from a class 5 to a class 2 drug about 10 or 12 years ago. I'm not sure, though, if it is still class 5 because obviously a lot has happend in terms of legalization since then globally and I haven't followed up on the situation in the UK. I have this information from an article in the Bangkok Post. Don't nail me on th exact year, though. 

 

Having said that, the percentage of people who actually got a psychosis in comparison to the number of pot smokers was something like 0.000000001%. Nonetheless it happened to the brother of a friend of mine. He started to hear voices a few weeks after he took up up spliffing. It went away a few days after he stopped smoking hash and he's been fine ever since. 

[bristolgeoff]

Amercia or some states make it legal and it works out well.tax for the state and business make money.People i know smoke it in thailand,so make it legal is not a big thing.Their choice to smoke or not

[wombat]

21 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

 

Well done Eric Parpart.

Well written and straight to the point.

Has last sentence sums it up.

My recommendation for related agencies is to stop, take a breather, research, talk to each other and then educate the public with accurate information. 

 

This decriminalization/law has been known well in advance.

How come the so called experts did not carry out any research in advance and have it published in science journals, rather than jumping to conclusions and having them published in tabloids?

In fact, why not look at other research carried out by international renowned scientists, who have had their credible research proven and published to share with other experts.

 

 

 

FIFY.... take a breather, have a joint... research, talk to each other and have another joint...

Edited June 17, 2022 by wombat

[cyril sneer]

I’m waiting for it to be sold on Shopee 

[Bert got kinky]

5 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

I’m waiting for it to be sold on Shopee 

 

It already is,

I have some arriving today.

 

https://shopee.co.th/ดอกเก๊กฮวย-ดอกOG-แม่ค่าย-สายพันธุ์ต่างประเทศ-i.57781044.20211103017

 

 

[brianthainess]

14 hours ago, Denim said:

Ignore all these false newspaper articles.

 

Listen instead to the ever infallible weed skeptics on this forum. Read what they write, inhale deeply, absorb it , and exhale , then rest assured the exact opposite of anything they write will land you in the correct ball park of sound advice.

Steven has gone quiet. 

[cyril sneer]

1 hour ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

It already is,

I have some arriving today.

 

https://shopee.co.th/ดอกเก๊กฮวย-ดอกOG-แม่ค่าย-สายพันธุ์ต่างประเทศ-i.57781044.20211103017

 

 

confusing, is that an advert disguised as a chinese herb but actually selling weed?

[Bert got kinky]

 

It's definitely for weed, it even shows the THC levels.

There are 4 different strains available, the one I have coming is for Afghan Kush.

 

Whether it's any good, I will find out tonight.

It needs to be at a level where I can magically fully understand Donovan (the man & his songs) to get a pass rating.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by Bert got kinky

[Bert got kinky]

 

Sorry, missed one, make that 5 strains.

 

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by Bert got kinky

[Denim]

1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

Steven has gone quiet. 

Probably died from passive smoking of somebody else's joint.

 

Sometimes life can be cruel

[Bert got kinky]

2 minutes ago, Denim said:

Probably died from passive smoking of somebody else's joint.

 

Sometimes life can be cruel

 

Probably died from passive smoking of somebody else's joint.

Can someone actually die from passi........................... oh wait, I see what you did there ????