Pence leads Republicans calling for national abortion ban post Roe v. Wade ruling: ‘We must not rest’

[onthedarkside]

 

The former Vice President and others are vowing to outlaw abortion across the country

 

With the demise of Roe v Wade in a decision announced Friday morning by the US Supreme Court, Republicans like former Vice President Mike Pence have their sights set on another target: a national abortion ban.

 

On Twitter, Mr Pence celebrated that the court had returned “the question of abortion to the states and to the people” and called on anti-abortion activists to continue working across the country to ban abortion in every state.

 

“Now that Roe v. Wade has been consigned to the ash heap of history, a new arena in the cause of life has emerged and it is incumbent on all who cherish the sanctity of life to resolve that we will take the defense of the unborn... and support for women in crisis pregnancies to every state Capitol in America,” he wrote, before adding: “Having been given this second chance for Life, we must not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of American law in every state in the land.”

 

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mike-pence-national-abortion-ban-b2108974.html

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

Pence described himself as a "principled conservative" and supporter of the Tea Party movement,[2] saying he was "a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order."

 

translation: Aims to turn the country into a theocracy.

[wombat]

Men telling women what they can't do with their body is not the way to get their votes or do these men think the women will vote as they are told by their husband like it is in Moslem countries?

[RichardColeman]

7 minutes ago, wombat said:

Men telling women what they can't do with their body is not the way to get their votes or do these men think the women will vote as they are told by their husband like it is in Moslem countries?

And a woman killing a man's child with no say from the father is OK ? Is it right to kill your ex's kid ? Merely as you split up ? 

 

Abortion SHOULD be banned for cases that are not incest, rape, abuse, damage to child, hurt to mother etc. But abortion to suit a woman's lifestyle, never.

 

 

 

[JCauto]

9 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

And a woman killing a man's child with no say from the father is OK ? Is it right to kill your ex's kid ? Merely as you split up ? 

 

Abortion SHOULD be banned for cases that are not incest, rape, abuse, damage to child, hurt to mother etc. But abortion to suit a woman's lifestyle, never.

 

 

 

There is no child. There is a foetus. It is not viable outside the womb. 

 

By the way, are you also in favour then of laws that require the man in question to support the woman who bears the child from that instant of conception onwards? Why can't men be required to have vasectomies (they can be reversed when conception is required)? 

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

And a woman killing a man's child with no say from the father is OK ? Is it right to kill your ex's kid ? Merely as you split up ? 

 

Abortion SHOULD be banned for cases that are not incest, rape, abuse, damage to child, hurt to mother etc. But abortion to suit a woman's lifestyle, never.

What about all the other reasons? Here's a small list for you to consider.

 

An abusive relationship.

A school or college girl with an unplanned and accidental pregnancy

Stealthing

Contraceptive failures

 

 

[klauskunkel]

As a mental exercise: if men could become pregnant the same as women do, do you believe there would even be a debate? My guess is that abortion would become a "god given inalienable right" and amended into the constitution as such...

[cardinalblue]

Hey richard you make it sound like these fathers want the babies?

 

my guess is 80% of men don’t want a baby especially if the couple falls in the working class/poverty classes…so don’t put the blame solely on women…..do you mean like all the deadbeat dads out there where women who do have a baby and forces them into poverty w/o any economic and social support by the man? It’s an epidemic in usa….now you are adding 1.5 million children to a culture that don’t want them and can’t afford them…the republicans will be first in line to say no to expand social services and Medicaid yet they are the ones b/c of their flawed ideology that will cause this demand.

 

absolutely nothing wrong with economics being a vital part of the decision making process…

 

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by cardinalblue

[vandeventer]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

And a woman killing a man's child with no say from the father is OK ? Is it right to kill your ex's kid ? Merely as you split up ? 

 

Abortion SHOULD be banned for cases that are not incest, rape, abuse, damage to child, hurt to mother etc. But abortion to suit a woman's lifestyle, never.

 

 

 

A woman's lifestyle has changed a lot since I was young I remember when a kiss meant something, and a feel sometimes got you a slap in the face. Maybe if those days came back there might be far less abortions'

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

And a woman killing a man's child with no say from the father is OK ? Is it right to kill your ex's kid ? Merely as you split up ? 

 

Abortion SHOULD be banned for cases that are not incest, rape, abuse, damage to child, hurt to mother etc. But abortion to suit a woman's lifestyle, never.

 

 

 

Yes good point , Its NOT the Womans unborn child , its the man and woman's joint unborn Child .

   She should at least get agreement  from the male when deciding anything 

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 minutes ago, cardinalblue said:

It’s an epidemic in usa….now you are adding 1.5 million children to a culture that don’t want them and can’t afford them…the republicans will be first in line to say no to expand social services and Medicaid yet they are the ones b/c of their flawed ideology that will cause this demand.

Is there any Republican in particular who will be to blame for the 1.5 Million unaborted babies ?

  Two inner Americans Democrat have sex without taking any precautions and yet pregnant  , yet its some Republicans fault ?

[Bkk Brian]

56 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes good point , Its NOT the Womans unborn child , its the man and woman's joint unborn Child .

   She should at least get agreement  from the male when deciding anything 

The male has a right to his say, there is free speech but unless you want to head back to the dark ages and slavery then he certainly has no rights on what a woman does with her body. This is also enshrined in law that he cannot compel a woman to have a baby against her will. It is her right and hers alone.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Wrwest]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

What about all the other reasons? Here's a small list for you to consider.

 

An abusive relationship.

A school or college girl with an unplanned and accidental pregnancy

Stealthing

Contraceptive failures

 

 

This points to a valid reason that a “one law fits all” approach fails. The studies have shown that conservatives are more oriented to a world view of … right/wrong, yes/no, black/white, all/nothing. The reality is that life is more complicated and in the issue at hand there are so many complexities that it is not possible to allow for all contingencies. That is a main reason that the decision is not mine to make for others. But then, I am not inclined to use conservative reasoning on personal medical decisions.

[Wrwest]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes good point , Its NOT the Womans unborn child , its the man and woman's joint unborn Child .

   She should at least get agreement  from the male when deciding anything 

Including the rapist? In the case of incest family member? Case of abusive relationship?

Edited June 28, 2022 by Wrwest

[animalmagic]

I wonder what would be the position of the anti abortion activists if you could determine the child's sexual preferences before birth?  A Christian preacher in Texas has recently advocated the execution of gays.

[George Aylesham]

Perhaps Pence, as a Republican politician, should have a quick glance at the figures on what the US voter actually wants - and its not stricter aborton laws.

[Sydebolle]

Welcome to Middle Age, the Spanish inquisition and the puritan bible belt goons. 

I wonder, what Pence and all those other old goats and farts would say, if their (grand-)daughters are pregnant by rape or carrying, for whatever other reason, a handicapped, unborn child. 

My personal is, that men should have no say whatsoever in this matter. Allow abortions within a given, already existing legal time frame allowing women to decide for themselves without ifs, whens and whys.
This country here is full of unwanted children, as their mothers - mostly totally uneducated - hop into the sack with pollinating men. Latter bonk around all over villages and then disappear into thin air. This leaves tens of thousands of kids in the skillful hands of their grandparents, aunties and God-only-knows-who to be brought up for monetary reasons by the same old-fashioned manner. 

Hence the Pope, Pence and all the other geezers should shut up their mouth ......... 

[Mac Mickmanus]

57 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

Including the rapist? In the case of incest family member? Case of abusive relationship?

Can we just talk about normal relationships and pregnancies , rather than abnormal relationships like rape and incest ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The male has a right to his say, there is free speech but unless you want to head back to the dark ages and slavery then he certainly has no rights on what a woman does with her body. This is also enshrined in law that he cannot compel a woman to have a baby against her will. It is her right and hers alone.

The unborn child is not HER body through , its the unborn Childs own body which was made equally by the mother and father 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Can we just talk about normal relationships and pregnancies , rather than abnormal relationships like rape and incest ?

Why? The republican states that have and are banning abortions include those too.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

The unborn child is not HER body through , its the unborn Childs own body which was made equally by the mother and father 

The law is very clear in this:

 

"If a man's pregnant partner seeks to have an abortion, the father's consent isn't legally required; a woman may choose to terminate a pregnancy against the father's objections."

 

Infact he's not even got a legal right to be told by her that she's going to get one. This has already been ruled by the courts in the US

[Tug]

Hopefully this backwards step on womens rights will cost the republicans dearly this is a mistake of the first order imo personally I find abortion a heartbreaking choice but sometimes the right one that beeing said I’m staunchly pro choice let’s hope the dems can get a big enough majority to codify the law on the federal level 

[robblok]

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

And a woman killing a man's child with no say from the father is OK ? Is it right to kill your ex's kid ? Merely as you split up ? 

 

Abortion SHOULD be banned for cases that are not incest, rape, abuse, damage to child, hurt to mother etc. But abortion to suit a woman's lifestyle, never.

 

 

 

Who are you to say that a womans right to her body is hers. You live in the past i hope that fanatics like you clear the field soon and leave room for a younger more progressive group of people. 

 

There is a good reason to hate Christians this one of them in many ways they are as backwards as the Muslims.

 

Seriously abortion is totally fine up until a certain time. For a woman its a right and any many denying this is an stupid. I get it that there is a time limit but before that time there is no brain nothing. Just a clump of cells. 

 

These remarks are just backwards thinking to control a woman. Get your own life in order before controlling others. 

[cardinalblue]

Pence and his ultra conservative base are nothing but hypocrites…

 

they preach historically minimal fed gov interference and control and leave things up to state and local gov to make decisions 

 

Now after an ideological Supreme Court rules in his favor, he has the gumption to sprout a national abortion ban? 
 

Hang Mike Pence is the only thing the insurrection mob got right…

[ballpoint]

Quite right.  How dare people jump the queue by aborting their children before they're born. They should wait until they're of school age, so they can get shot by some gun toting idiot like normal American children do.

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Women Declare Themselves Corporations to Force Supreme Court to Grant Them Rights as People

Millions of American women and girls have declared themselves corporations in order to force the United States Supreme Court to grant them rights as people, legal observers have reported.

Attorneys across the nation indicated that they have been swamped by requests from clients seeking to incorporate as soon as possible.

“The Supreme Court decided in 2010 that corporations are people, so all we want is to be treated like corporations, ” Carol Foyler, who now goes by the corporate name FoylerCo L.L.C., said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/women-declare-themselves-corporations-to-force-supreme-court-to-grant-them-rights-as-people

Edited June 28, 2022 by Scott

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes good point , Its NOT the Womans unborn child , its the man and woman's joint unborn Child .

   She should at least get agreement  from the male when deciding anything 

And there we have it, straight out of your own mouth.

 

Control your woman!

[Thingamabob]

For a number of reasons my first wife and I decided on an abortion when she became pregnant with what would have been our third child 50 years ago. All I can say is that not a day goes by without us wondering what that little life would be like today had we not taken that action.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And there we have it, straight out of your own mouth.

 

Control your woman!

Do you disagree that it takes both a Male and a Female to make a baby ?

Are you saying that a female can make a baby on her own with no input from a male ?

[HappyinNE]

Just pas the law that defines that a person starts at conception.  Taking its life is therefore murder.