Cheapest good weed now ? I found 350 thb/gram but not cheaper yet, any idea ?

[roietfortress]

16 minutes ago, Hokeus said:

With the average price of good quality flower coming in around 150 Baht/Gram, it's hard to imagine one is going to get anything really good for only 10-40 Baht/Gram. 
 

Even if it's not "brick weed" it probably has a similar level of THC, smell, and consistency to brick. So it might as well be labeled brick, even if it hasn't been pressed. 
 

Also, a seller claiming to offer 30% THC weed for only 10 Baht/Gram isn't building a lot of buyer confidence with that sort of advertising.

 

then don't buy it  

 

reviews without testing the product are useless opinions. you're reviewing a strain and seller you've never tried.

 

most strains sold in Thailand today have inaccurate THC stats. true story there.

 

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[HugoFastor]

I agree. If you really have got good stuff with 25%-30% THC levels then why would you sell it for a fraction of the market price? Why would you even need to? Nobody is going to be fooled by the advertising. And why not offer it as what it really is?
 

If you state the actual THC level (even if it's only 6%-8%) then people who are looking for something cheap to smoke may still buy it at those prices. Sheet, people pay a tremendous amount of money just for useless tobacco and all that stuff do is kill you. 

In defense of this low grade stuff though, even if it is quite low in THC, you can just smoke more of it and still get high. Personally I rather consume higher quality stuff and not put the extra wear and tear on the respiratory system though. 

[taninthai]

1 hour ago, HugoFastor said:

I agree. If you really have got good stuff with 25%-30% THC levels then why would you sell it for a fraction of the market price? Why would you even need to? Nobody is going to be fooled by the advertising. And why not offer it as what it really is?
 

If you state the actual THC level (even if it's only 6%-8%) then people who are looking for something cheap to smoke may still buy it at those prices. Sheet, people pay a tremendous amount of money just for useless tobacco and all that stuff do is kill you. 

In defense of this low grade stuff though, even if it is quite low in THC, you can just smoke more of it and still get high. Personally I rather consume higher quality stuff and not put the extra wear and tear on the respiratory system though. 

You will get used to it people with nothing to do post crap all day everyday one off them changes his mind every week been called out on it many times with pictures showing him talking crap,,,,,it gives them something to do and they harmless really,,,,, yes I get given this type off weed for free almost daily I could send it too these guys for free but they like hunting there little so callled bargain 10 bht a gram weed out.

[roietfortress]

every 5-10 pages or so people have to be reminded of the thread title. this thread is for sourcing the best cheapest weed. the posts here have served me well. i medicate so i'm not trying to blow my brains and lose focus on reality. i don't need to see "cool trails brah". i need a good steady level. 30% THC doesn't provide that for me.

 

anyways, you smoke yours and i'll smoke mine 

 

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[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, roietfortress said:

every 5-10 pages or so people have to be reminded of the thread title. this thread is for sourcing the best cheapest weed. the posts here have served me well. i medicate so i'm not trying to blow my brains and lose focus on reality. i don't need to see "cool trails brah". i need a good steady level. 30% THC doesn't provide that for me.

 

anyways, you smoke yours and i'll smoke mine 

 

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Smoked North Thunderf*** last night, Fat Banana was better.

 

My No. 1 choice from @ca08 is now Fat Banana @40bhtgm.

[roietfortress]

15 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Smoked North Thunderf*** last night, Fat Banana was better.

 

My No. 1 choice from @ca08 is now Fat Banana @40bhtgm.

 

looks heavy on the indica side?

 

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[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, roietfortress said:

 

looks heavy on the indica side?

 

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I've never been a fan of Sativa.

[ABCDBKK]

1 hour ago, roietfortress said:

every 5-10 pages or so people have to be reminded of the thread title. this thread is for sourcing the best cheapest weed. the posts here have served me well. i medicate so i'm not trying to blow my brains and lose focus on reality. i don't need to see "cool trails brah". i need a good steady level. 30% THC doesn't provide that for me.

 

anyways, you smoke yours and i'll smoke mine 

 

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Point taken. So low priced weed and seemingly low THC percentage is what some people want. As long as your getting what you need then that's what counts. 👍🏼 

[Jingthing]

On 1/24/2024 at 12:50 PM, Jingthing said:

I want to make some full spectrum CBD cannabis oil.

I don't think I need high end weed for that but I'm looking for clues on what and where to exactly buy for that purpose.

I've been buying it for sleep but it's expensive and as I'm setup now to decarb and do oil infusions may as well make it myself

Thanks for any tips.

I will bump this one time and if it doesn't get responses, I suppose I might start a new topic.

I use full spectrum CBD oil that I bought commercially every three days as part of my before bed routine. I don't use much and find it moderately helpful. I like THC Sativa, Indica, and blends, for other times and purposes.

So the question is what weed is the maker of that kind of commercial stuff using?

I want to buy something like that and make my own full spectrum CBD oil.

I would expect it to not be very expensive but I don't see this advertised at places selling other weed strains.

 

To add, I'm not pretending nor do I aspire to get a Phd in weed studies.

I've been learning what I want to and need to know for my purposes as I go along with satisfying success.

[stoner]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I will bump this one time and if it doesn't get responses, I suppose I might start a new topic.

I use full spectrum CBD oil that I bought commercially every three days as part of my before bed routine. I don't use much and find it moderately helpful. I like THC Sativa, Indica, and blends, for other times and purposes.

So the question is what weed is the maker of that kind of commercial stuff using?

I want to buy something like that and make my own full spectrum CBD oil.

I would expect it to not be very expensive but I don't see this advertised at places selling other weed strains.

 

To add, I'm not pretending nor do I aspire to get a Phd in weed studies.

I've been learning what I want to and need to know for my purposes as I go along with satisfying success.

 

i think i did try and respond a little. is your cbd oil from hemp or real plants ? it might say on the bottle. 

 

charlottes angel - dutch passion is a good one that many are growing now. i grew one called candida years ago. i doubt it is still around though. a lot of them will just say cbd this or that as it is so easy to just say it because not many will be able to prove it. so be careful of that. 

 

you should use an equal cbd/thc mix tincture by the sounds of it. pretty sure the results would be much better.  

 

more than willing to help out. 

[Poilu]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I will bump this one time and if it doesn't get responses, I suppose I might start a new topic.

I use full spectrum CBD oil that I bought commercially every three days as part of my before bed routine. I don't use much and find it moderately helpful. I like THC Sativa, Indica, and blends, for other times and purposes.

So the question is what weed is the maker of that kind of commercial stuff using?

I want to buy something like that and make my own full spectrum CBD oil.

I would expect it to not be very expensive but I don't see this advertised at places selling other weed strains.

 

To add, I'm not pretending nor do I aspire to get a Phd in weed studies.

I've been learning what I want to and need to know for my purposes as I go along with satisfying success.

I use Silver Haze containing 10%CBD 10%THC. I make an infusion in the decarboxylator using extra virgin coconut oil. I have trouble sleeping due to arthritis and this works for me.

[BritManToo]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I will bump this one time and if it doesn't get responses, I suppose I might start a new topic.

I use full spectrum CBD oil that I bought commercially every three days as part of my before bed routine. I don't use much and find it moderately helpful. I like THC Sativa, Indica, and blends, for other times and purposes.

So the question is what weed is the maker of that kind of commercial stuff using?

I want to buy something like that and make my own full spectrum CBD oil.

I would expect it to not be very expensive but I don't see this advertised at places selling other weed strains.

 

To add, I'm not pretending nor do I aspire to get a Phd in weed studies.

I've been learning what I want to and need to know for my purposes as I go along with satisfying success.

Forget CBD, use high THC indica as it's more effective. 

[gargamon]

45 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Forget CBD, use high THC indica as it's more effective. 

Yes, I concur. The problem here is that the posted indica/sativa and THC content numbers are nonsense. A while back I was buying a gram of everything from ca08 and evaluating each at 1 pipe per day before bed. When I found a suitable one, I was going to buy a bunch and make kief out of it. Anyway, I had some stuff going on that required a bit of higher level thinking so I stopped smoking. No need to waste my study, so I'll provide what I have gathered here. It's quite nice having a clear head again so I'm not sure when/if I'll start smoking again.

 

These evaluations are highly subjective. YMMV, so don't complain about my opinions.

[roietfortress]

2 hours ago, gargamon said:

Yes, I concur. The problem here is that the posted indica/sativa and THC content numbers are nonsense. A while back I was buying a gram of everything from ca08 and evaluating each at 1 pipe per day before bed. When I found a suitable one, I was going to buy a bunch and make kief out of it. Anyway, I had some stuff going on that required a bit of higher level thinking so I stopped smoking. No need to waste my study, so I'll provide what I have gathered here. It's quite nice having a clear head again so I'm not sure when/if I'll start smoking again.

 

These evaluations are highly subjective. YMMV, so don't complain about my opinions.

 

i got zero effect from black lebanon. not sure why. maybe they sent me something else? lol

 

fat banana sounds like a great indica.

 

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[gargamon]

1 hour ago, roietfortress said:

 

i got zero effect from black lebanon. not sure why. maybe they sent me something else? lol

 

fat banana sounds like a great indica.

 

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I'm pretty sure they didn't switch it up and send something different. I tried to order 50gms of the lemon berry and they said out of stock. If they were going to send something different they would have. Since I filled the first few in the spreadsheet from memory I likely mixed up the two with black in the name. 

[NextG]

5 hours ago, gargamon said:

Yes, I concur. The problem here is that the posted indica/sativa and THC content numbers are nonsense. A while back I was buying a gram of everything from ca08 and evaluating each at 1 pipe per day before bed. When I found a suitable one, I was going to buy a bunch and make kief out of it. Anyway, I had some stuff going on that required a bit of higher level thinking so I stopped smoking. No need to waste my study, so I'll provide what I have gathered here. It's quite nice having a clear head again so I'm not sure when/if I'll start smoking again.

 

These evaluations are highly subjective. YMMV, so don't complain about my opinions.

KeepAwake?

Does that mean that Black Lebanon and Godfather kept you awake the most?

’Higher level thinking’ made me smile 😊 

[gargamon]

38 minutes ago, NextG said:

KeepAwake?

Does that mean that Black Lebanon and Godfather kept you awake the most?

’Higher level thinking’ made me smile 😊 

I didn't think I would need to clarify that, but, the column keepawake tells how much it kept me awake. A 10 would keep me awake(sativa) and a 0 would help sleep(indica). The indica/sativa numbers from the vendor are totally inaccurate, not just this vendor, all of them. No idea where they get them from, maybe the seeds come with numbers they use.

 

As for strength, none of these are brick. The weakest maybe 10%. The blue mystic is at least 20%, but 100% sativa IMO. 

 

[NextG]

1 minute ago, gargamon said:

I didn't think I would need to clarify that, but, the column keepawake tells how much it kept me awake. A 10 would keep me awake(sativa) and a 0 would help sleep(indica). The indica/sativa numbers from the vendor are totally inaccurate, not just this vendor, all of them. No idea where they get them from, maybe the seeds come with numbers they use.

 

As for strength, none of these are brick. The weakest maybe 10%. The blue mystic is at least 20%, but 100% sativa IMO. 

 

Yes, that’s how it looked. But since you took it before bed, I thought you might be using it as an aid to sleep, so was surprised to see a ‘wow’ for a 10 score in that column. Clarification seemed a sensible path. 
 

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, NextG said:

Yes, that’s how it looked. But since you took it before bed, I thought you might be using it as an aid to sleep, so was surprised to see a ‘wow’ for a 10 score in that column. Clarification seemed a sensible path. 
 

Just because I was persuing a strong indica, doesn't mean I don't appreciate sativa. Just not for sleep, which is what I was after. 

[Hokeus]

All this talk about strains keeping you awake, putting you to sleep, or making you relaxed, happy, euphoric, creative, feeling uplifted, etc has always struck me as just marketing techniques to get consumers to feel more engaged to buy more and to buy various different strains. 

 

And if you read a lot about Indica and Sativa, the only real scientific difference between the two types of plants is the physical height. They are just height classifications with no scientific evidence that they have a different psycho active effect. 

 

Same goes for all the different ways different strains are supposed to make you feel. That's actually supposed to be based on subconscious reactions to the terpenes and not the cannabinoids themselves, and again there is no scientific evidence to support that different strains can have different psychoactive effects. THC is just THC. It's the amount that's the main controlling factor. 

 

Over the last 2.5 months I did a lot of personal experimentation with around 20 different Grade-A strains. The only significant difference I noticed between any of them is that some made me more high and others made me less high. At times the "Indica" ones that were supposed to make me more relaxed or sleepy made me more awake and uplifted and other times I felt more relaxed and sleepier using the same strains. I have come to the conclusion that the difference is really based on your own mood and energy levels at the time when you are about to consume it. 

 

I even made some different blends using 5 different strains in each blend. One blend intended to make me more sleepy and the other intended to make me more uplifted based on the "type" of the strains. Again, the results varied each time I smoked each of them. At one point I got the two different blends mixed up so I was eventually forced to do a blind test and couldn't notice any difference between any of the psychoactive effects. 

 

Eventually I mixed all 10 strains together and my conclusion again was that it simply made me "high". Some days sleepier and some days having more energy when consuming the 10 strain blend. 

 

How high I get or how long the high lasts I found depends purely on the THC level in each strain and what I'm doing physically at the time. And even if it is a weaker strain then I can just smoke a bit more and get the same effect as a stronger strain. 

 

Now I mainly look for certain physical properties when I buy bud and I try and get ones with the higher THC levels so I can consume less to achieve the same desired effect. I don't pay attention to what sort of mood they are claiming it will provide, nor whether it's a "Sativa" or "Indica". And smell and taste is a bit more important to me now when choosing a strain since I use a vaporizer. 

 

My results are purely personal, but I tried to take an objective approach using a lot of different strains and my results lead me to my anticipated conclusion. 

 

Try doing your own test. Get some different "Sativa" and "Indica" dominant hybrids and do a blind test by consuming them without knowing which one each one is and see if you can work it out after you smoke it. Without the subconscious preprogramming by knowing anything about the strain before consuming it you might find you have similar results to what I experienced. 

[redwood1]

31 minutes ago, Hokeus said:

All this talk about strains keeping you awake, putting you to sleep, or making you relaxed, happy, euphoric, creative, feeling uplifted, etc has always struck me as just marketing techniques to get consumers to feel more engaged to buy more and to buy various different strains. 

 

And if you read a lot about Indica and Sativa, the only real scientific difference between the two types of plants is the physical height. They are just height classifications with no scientific evidence that they have a different psycho active effect. 

 

Same goes for all the different ways different strains are supposed to make you feel. That's actually supposed to be based on subconscious reactions to the terpenes and not the cannabinoids themselves, and again there is no scientific evidence to support that different strains can have different psychoactive effects. THC is just THC. It's the amount that's the main controlling factor. 

 

Over the last 2.5 months I did a lot of personal experimentation with around 20 different Grade-A strains. The only significant difference I noticed between any of them is that some made me more high and others made me less high. At times the "Indica" ones that were supposed to make me more relaxed or sleepy made me more awake and uplifted and other times I felt more relaxed and sleepier using the same strains. I have come to the conclusion that the difference is really based on your own mood and energy levels at the time when you are about to consume it. 

 

I even made some different blends using 5 different strains in each blend. One blend intended to make me more sleepy and the other intended to make me more uplifted based on the "type" of the strains. Again, the results varied each time I smoked each of them. At one point I got the two different blends mixed up so I was eventually forced to do a blind test and couldn't notice any difference between any of the psychoactive effects. 

 

Eventually I mixed all 10 strains together and my conclusion again was that it simply made me "high". Some days sleepier and some days having more energy when consuming the 10 strain blend. 

 

How high I get or how long the high lasts I found depends purely on the THC level in each strain and what I'm doing physically at the time. And even if it is a weaker strain then I can just smoke a bit more and get the same effect as a stronger strain. 

 

Now I mainly look for certain physical properties when I buy bud and I try and get ones with the higher THC levels so I can consume less to achieve the same desired effect. I don't pay attention to what sort of mood they are claiming it will provide, nor whether it's a "Sativa" or "Indica". And smell and taste is a bit more important to me now when choosing a strain since I use a vaporizer. 

 

My results are purely personal, but I tried to take an objective approach using a lot of different strains and my results lead me to my anticipated conclusion. 

 

Try doing your own test. Get some different "Sativa" and "Indica" dominant hybrids and do a blind test by consuming them without knowing which one each one is and see if you can work it out after you smoke it. Without the subconscious preprogramming by knowing anything about the strain before consuming it you might find you have similar results to what I experienced. 

 

Just because your not sensitive to the difference between Sativa and Indica that does not mean everyone is like you......There is a big difference between the two...

[roietfortress]

1 hour ago, Hokeus said:

Try doing your own test. Get some different "Sativa" and "Indica" dominant hybrids and do a blind test by consuming them without knowing which one each one is and see if you can work it out after you smoke it. Without the subconscious preprogramming by knowing anything about the strain before consuming it you might find you have similar results to what I experienced. 

 

sativa and indica are most likely a simple reference to the range of effects provided by the strain. hybrids have a mix of both lists to varying degrees. most regular smokers can do a blind test on a strain and tell you if its sativa or indica by the effect.

 

if you can't tell what its doing to your body, you probably don't need it. you can get high on a whippet lol.. mixing a pure sativa with a pure indica gives me a headache. mixing 10 random strains would be pretty pointless.

 

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[HugoFastor]

3 hours ago, Hokeus said:

All this talk about strains keeping you awake, putting you to sleep, or making you relaxed, happy, euphoric, creative, feeling uplifted, etc has always struck me as just marketing techniques to get consumers to feel more engaged to buy more and to buy various different strains. 

 

And if you read a lot about Indica and Sativa, the only real scientific difference between the two types of plants is the physical height. They are just height classifications with no scientific evidence that they have a different psycho active effect. 

 

Same goes for all the different ways different strains are supposed to make you feel. That's actually supposed to be based on subconscious reactions to the terpenes and not the cannabinoids themselves, and again there is no scientific evidence to support that different strains can have different psychoactive effects. THC is just THC. It's the amount that's the main controlling factor. 

 

Over the last 2.5 months I did a lot of personal experimentation with around 20 different Grade-A strains. The only significant difference I noticed between any of them is that some made me more high and others made me less high. At times the "Indica" ones that were supposed to make me more relaxed or sleepy made me more awake and uplifted and other times I felt more relaxed and sleepier using the same strains. I have come to the conclusion that the difference is really based on your own mood and energy levels at the time when you are about to consume it. 

 

I even made some different blends using 5 different strains in each blend. One blend intended to make me more sleepy and the other intended to make me more uplifted based on the "type" of the strains. Again, the results varied each time I smoked each of them. At one point I got the two different blends mixed up so I was eventually forced to do a blind test and couldn't notice any difference between any of the psychoactive effects. 

 

Eventually I mixed all 10 strains together and my conclusion again was that it simply made me "high". Some days sleepier and some days having more energy when consuming the 10 strain blend. 

 

How high I get or how long the high lasts I found depends purely on the THC level in each strain and what I'm doing physically at the time. And even if it is a weaker strain then I can just smoke a bit more and get the same effect as a stronger strain. 

 

Now I mainly look for certain physical properties when I buy bud and I try and get ones with the higher THC levels so I can consume less to achieve the same desired effect. I don't pay attention to what sort of mood they are claiming it will provide, nor whether it's a "Sativa" or "Indica". And smell and taste is a bit more important to me now when choosing a strain since I use a vaporizer. 

 

My results are purely personal, but I tried to take an objective approach using a lot of different strains and my results lead me to my anticipated conclusion. 

 

Try doing your own test. Get some different "Sativa" and "Indica" dominant hybrids and do a blind test by consuming them without knowing which one each one is and see if you can work it out after you smoke it. Without the subconscious preprogramming by knowing anything about the strain before consuming it you might find you have similar results to what I experienced. 

I agree. People have bought into the “strain” hype so heavily for the last couple of decades that for most of them it would be too soul destroying to accept that all they have subscribed too is a bunch of fluff. In fact, almost all varieties these days are a hybrid mix of what was once Sativa and Indica plants. So mixing different strains and smoking them together is actually no different than smoking any single hybrid. Just smoke some good herb, get baked, and enjoy the ride. That’s all there is to it.

[gargamon]

9 hours ago, HugoFastor said:

I agree. People have bought into the “strain” hype so heavily for the last couple of decades that for most of them it would be too soul destroying to accept that all they have subscribed too is a bunch of fluff. In fact, almost all varieties these days are a hybrid mix of what was once Sativa and Indica plants. So mixing different strains and smoking them together is actually no different than smoking any single hybrid. Just smoke some good herb, get baked, and enjoy the ride. That’s all there is to it.

Two new posters with exactly the same view. Hmmm. Smells fishy to me.

 

I used to believe this until I went on the quest described earlier looking for something to help me sleep. There are definitely different characteristics in SOME of the strains that keep you awake and others that don't. There are other traits that also seem to follow like clarity of thought, etc. Granted, most are blends with little differentiations. My testing using one pipe full only,with no associated drinking, and no second or third pipe allowed me to see the whole high cycle. And since I was doing a different strain every day, it was easy to discern the differences. Also, subsequent use of the strains exhibited the same characteristics as the first time. 

 

Get some of the blue mystic and another with low keep awake in my spreadsheet above and tell me they're the same. You won't be able to. 

 

Oh, and BTW, this is how you do research. Not reading or watching some nonsense on TikTok, X, Facebook or some vendors site that is telling you whatever they think they need to to part you and your money. 

[roietfortress]

4 hours ago, gargamon said:

Two new posters with exactly the same view. Hmmm. Smells fishy to me.

 

I used to believe this until I went on the quest described earlier looking for something to help me sleep. There are definitely different characteristics in SOME of the strains that keep you awake and others that don't. There are other traits that also seem to follow like clarity of thought, etc. Granted, most are blends with little differentiations. My testing using one pipe full only,with no associated drinking, and no second or third pipe allowed me to see the whole high cycle. And since I was doing a different strain every day, it was easy to discern the differences. Also, subsequent use of the strains exhibited the same characteristics as the first time. 

 

Get some of the blue mystic and another with low keep awake in my spreadsheet above and tell me they're the same. You won't be able to. 

 

Oh, and BTW, this is how you do research. Not reading or watching some nonsense on TikTok, X, Facebook or some vendors site that is telling you whatever they think they need to to part you and your money. 

 

 

 

several universities in the country are studying it now. one of our local unis has a dedicated lab. plus tons of scientific research all over the world. if all strains were the same they'd just call it weed.

 

maybe these guys think all alcohol is the same too? 

 

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[Hokeus]

 

Last night I vaped the same 10-strain blend again that I created. I have about another 8 grams of it remaining, so it should last me a while longer before this THC experiment ends. 

 

At the moment though I also have a good supply of nearly 10 individual strains, some of them are in the 10 strain blend and others are more newly acquired. But they all have really good strength (between 20%-30% THC) and some have some beautiful and unique terpenes too. So I'm not using any low-level brick quality type weed for this experiment. 

 

I still often consume individual strains too and the blend was created mainly for experimentation purposes, but also for those times like last night when I didn't want to have to choose which strain to use. So the beauty of the blend is it gives me the pleasure of taking in so many great strains at once, while ensuring I still get a good, strong dose of THC at the same time. 

 

Last night I loaded about 0.3 of a gram into the vaporizer as I usually do. I started out by taking 5 good pulls from it and, then, about 2 hours later, I ripped the same load another 4 times. I normally only take about 6-7 hits in total from one load of weed in the vape, but I went 9 full pulls on the cargo this time before dumping it out. 

 

The high was great. Totally relaxing and peaceful. Periods of strong couch-lock and that great feeling went on for about 5 hours in total. Was I feeling an Indica or a Sativa high? Who knows, but since I believe that THC can only have one psychoactive chemical effect on the brain I simply believe I was just high; the same type of high as I always feel from any type of good cannabis. 

 

Technically I guess every type of weed strain is within this 10 blend mix, but to me it still feels no different than consuming any type of good cannabis strain individually. 

 

Also, I'm not here low-key trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm only sharing my personal results. People are more than welcome to go on believing whatever anecdotal conjecture they would like to believe about getting different psychoactive effects from different types of cannabis strains. Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more (blue pill, red pill, lol)

 

But I do suggest everyone do some blind tests of their own using the so called "unique" Sativa and Indica dominant hybrid strains, as well as create some mixed strain blends using 5-10 different buds, and see where it goes for yourself. 

 

By the way, 0.3 of a gram in a vaporizer is about equal to smoking one standard sized bong hit. It's great that one can put that small equivalent amount of weed into a vaporizer and stay high for so many hours. The same high wouldn't be achievable with that limited amount of weed in a bong. So for everyone in this thread who is so concerned about sourcing low cost weed in order to economize; I suggest you try using a vaporizer instead. The same small amount of weed will go so much further in vaporizer as compared to a bong or a rollup and then it matters less if you are paying 30 Baht or 5X the price for a gram for the highest quality gear. Peace. ✌🏼 

[roietfortress]

1 hour ago, Hokeus said:

The high was great. Totally relaxing and peaceful. Periods of strong couch-lock and that great feeling went on for about 5 hours in total. Was I feeling an Indica or a Sativa high? Who knows, but since I believe that THC can only have one psychoactive chemical effect on the brain I simply believe I was just high; the same type of high as I always feel from any type of good cannabis. 

 

that is what we're calling an "indica". its possible your cerebral cortex doesn't respond to "sativas".

 

when i smoke an indica, i can't get anything done because of the couchlock and foggy happy feeling. when i smoke a sativa or sativa dominant hybrid i can code for 12 hours straight. i can garden for hours with an indica and some M-150s.

 

the difference is what part of your brain is affected. an indica will hit your nervous system, a sativa will activate dopamine in your cerebral cortex. that's how i understand it. maybe your cerebral is always activated, or its unaffected by thc.

 

my thoughts on your conundrum :D

 

EDIT: ps i've learned not to operate power tools or chainsaws on an indica XD

 

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[Hokeus]

55 minutes ago, roietfortress said:

 

that is what we're calling an "indica". its possible your cerebral cortex doesn't respond to "sativas".

 

when i smoke an indica, i can't get anything done because of the couchlock and foggy happy feeling. when i smoke a sativa or sativa dominant hybrid i can code for 12 hours straight. i can garden for hours with an indica and some M-150s.

 

the difference is what part of your brain is affected. an indica will hit your nervous system, a sativa will activate dopamine in your cerebral cortex. that's how i understand it. maybe your cerebral is always activated, or its unaffected by thc.

 

my thoughts on your conundrum :D

 

EDIT: ps i've learned not to operate power tools or chainsaws on an indica XD

 

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For the first hour after I vape I wouldn't try really operating anything, nor would I really want to (because my aim is almost always to relax). Not a motor vehicle for sure and I have trouble even remembering things like which app I was going to tap on after unlocking my phone. So springboard gaze can become a serious dilemma. And any kind of heavy multitasking is definitely off the table. 

 

I've tried testing myself by working on a spread sheet with lots of formulas right after vaping. Not much success. For the first hour, if I'm really high, the biggest task I can handle without time lapsing is usually something like dish washing, lol. 

 

But after about 60-90 minutes then I can start to get some things done again, even like driving a big engined motorcycle. I can also become hyper focused and aware of my surroundings, while still feeling high, which can be fun. 

 

Sometimes I do get a bit of an elevated heart rate for the first 15-20 minutes after I vape, but generally I am not bothered by it. I guess some might consider that a bit of a Sativa effect (even though I don't believe there is such a thing), but when it happens to me it could happen one day and not the next, whilst also having vaped the same strain on both days. It's even happened on some days and not others when using the same blend I made. So, again, I just attribute it to the various different possible effects from THC on the subconscious mind and it not being strain dependent. 

 

I tend not to mix any other psychoactive substances with weed though. Any other stimulant would only usually disrupt the desired vibe for me. M-150 is loaded with sugar and caffeine. Probably enough to negate the effects of THC such that one can then focus at a fairly normal level again on just about anything. Not sure why one would want to mix the two. It would be like mixing a downer and an upper together. But one man's rubbish is another man's caviar, so I'm not here to judge. 

 

In fact, there was a segment in the "Rotten" documentary series on Netflix about cannabis edibles where an emergency room doctor explained how they treat young kids who are freaking out after having accidentally and unknowingly consumed an entire chocolate bar edible belonging to their parents (perhaps 60-100 mg of THC in one go). I believe the treatment is usually something from the benzodiazepines drug class and that benzodiazepines can greatly neutralize the psychoactive effects of THC, whether one is feeling either up or down from it or whether the source of the THC in the edible was from a shorter Indica or taller Sativa plant. 

 

Enjoy...

[skuebs]

On 1/28/2024 at 12:57 PM, roietfortress said:

 

 

 

several universities in the country are studying it now. one of our local unis has a dedicated lab. plus tons of scientific research all over the world. if all strains were the same they'd just call it weed.

 

maybe these guys think all alcohol is the same too? 

 

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Yes, they suggest we stop using the labels because it's misleading.

https://www.dal.ca/news/2022/01/07/cannabis-labels-study-indica-sativa.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dariosabaghi/2021/10/20/stop-using-indica-and-sativa-labels-for-cannabis-study-says/

[SamuiGrower]

I find it somewhat fascinating that a group of cannabis loving connoisseurs, here in Thailand, on this forum, put their faith and trust in the naming conventions and THC content of the flower being sold here. Telling the truth is not a prerequisite to selling flower.

 

With that said, how do you know if you are smoking a Sativa, Indica or hybrid? The short answer, you don’t. Scientifically, those lines have been blurred for a very, very long time. The way YOU feel after smoking it, is by no way a reliable arbitor of a strain or chemotype/cultivar.

 

In 2019, The Journal of Cannabis Research published a paper detailing how genetic tools clearly showed the misconceptions of strain reliability. To summarize that paper…. “We failed to find clear genetic support for commonly referenced Sativa, Indica and Hybrid types as described in online databases. Significant genetic differences within samples of the same strain were observed indicating that consumers could be provided inconsistent products. (Edit: and you are!) These differences have the potential to lead to phenotypic differences and unexpected effects, which could be surprising for the recreational user, but have more serious implications for patients relying on strains that alleviate specific medical symptoms.”

 

Naming conventions (of strains) do not align with common widespread definitions of Sativa, Indica, Hybrids, and Hemp. Strain inconsistencies are clear and evident and not isolated to single sources. Why is that? Because you can call your seed or flower anything you want on the retail end, even in regulated, seed-to-sale markets. Am I intimating there are ‘bad actors’ in the business as well as a beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt, muddied genetics? Absolutely.

 

18th-century researchers originally classified cannabis into two species based on the plant's appearance. Researchers now know that on a molecular level, there's no difference between an indica strain and a sativa strain of cannabis.

 

The advent of molecular testing proved the original classification system was inaccurate. Genetic analyses do not support the reported proportions of Sativa and Indica within each strain, which is expected given the lack of genetic distinction between Sativa and Indica. 

 

To that end, breeders, growers, dispensaries and budtenders needed a better system to convey the differences between strains, especially to the lay public. Enter the Terpene classification system. Indica, which is said to physically relax the body and give a sedative effect, and sativa, which is said to be energizing and provide more of a head-high.

 

In reality, no scientific evidence supports this dichotomy because on a molecular level, indica and sativa strains don't have pattern differences that set the two "types" apart from each other. As a result, consumers buy strains that don't actually align with the perceived effects they're marketed to provide. 

 

So, it must be the entourage effect, right? It was proposed many decades ago as a hypothesis and still remains just that, with no hard data scientifically or medically to empirically support it. There is no purity or dosage that can be medically induced to replicate any consistent outcomes. We certainly know the inhalation of combusted terpenes (smoking) was never ‘baked’ into the hypothesis from the beginning.

 

To further complicate the idea that terpenes provide the UP or DOWN effect, consider this; terpene synthase in cannabis is spatial. No two plants or parts of the same plant produce the same terpene profile. To further add to the ‘confusion’, set, setting, diet, mood, exercise and a litany of other factors all contribute to the perceived effect of the cannabis you smoke. It’s personal and different for everyone. I would put more stock in that belief system than in the Sativa UP/ Indica DOWN constructs.

 

I, for one, am amazed of the phenotype variation in the seeds sold today. I cannot rely on most seed banks (mostly all) to provide stable genetics on the commercial level in which I work. Hybrid crosses are easy to produce and stability is not a factor for most seed banks. A sour diesel strain in NY looks, tastes, and test completely different from one grown in northern Michigan. So, if you’re a hobby grower and you plant 3 sour diesel seeds and you get 3 distinctly different phenotypes, what do you say? Not much, obviously, because it doesn’t matter, right? But if you’re a commercial grower and you grow out a 1000 seeds and it’s clear you have many variants, your only choice is to pheno hunt, create mothers, and clone or feminize to create stable genetics with testing. Emphasis on the testing part. Stable genetics begin with F1 and S1 lineage. Haven’t heard a single reference to that by any grower or seed supplier here. It’s a buyer/grower beware climate for sure.

 

If labels define Sativa or Indica as two distinct groups then the differences should be seen in biochemical markers and genetic assays. A published study in Nature Plants, showed the ‘naming labels’ were meaningless. Strains labeled Sativa were more closely related (genetically) to indicas than sativas.

 

In 1999 the strain, AK-47 won the Sativa Cup in that year’s Cannabis Cup. Four years later the same strain won the Indica Cup. Right.

 

For those of you who say they can definitely tell the difference between a Sativa or an Indica (and I’ve read all the eye-rolling post here), I say bless your hearts. I have zero doubt that you are describing the effects you are feeling. The purpose of this post is NOT to denigrate you or say otherwise. I would love to meet you and offer you a position in my company (lots of travel and benefits). We would sit down over a few bowls of different strains and cans of Pepsi and Coca Cola (labels obscured - of course!) and work out a role for you.

 

There is certainly an argument in saying, there are landrace sativas, here in Thailand from which you can judge the “Sativa effect” There are, but they are not pure, and the THC levels have been so diluted from years of outdoor cross pollination of other landrace strains, that It would be hard to judge them. This is the ‘stuff’ (brick weed) that is so overtly discussed in this thread as ‘hardly worth smoking’,  but they are sativas.

 

As a postscript to my diatribe, has any grower ever provided a COA (Certificate of Analysis) of their flower? Have you ever seen one? I pay 10,000 Baht for a COA after extraction (CBD). Has any breeder/seller ever posted one on this forum?  I just see photos of schwag with fantasy THC percentages, sellers talking mostly marketing drivel and lots of people whining about the look, quality, effects, prices, etc. - and rightfully so, at that. P.s. these “home test” kits and devices hardly count for anything. HPLC/GCMS or nothing!

 

I have no doubt that there is a connoisseurship here in this forum but WE are definitely not the market - tourists are. Maybe if WE (or regulation) demand COA’s, the quality will improve and so will the market. Wishful thinking for sure