Trump did nothing to stop his supporters as they attacked Congress, threatened Pence, witnesses tell Jan. 6 committee

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10 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

He is the Teflon man, because you Dems. can't even get him on J-walking, because he has done Nothing Wrong and he will be the next President of the USA whether you like it or not.

Predictions are always so impressive as evidence. Forget about Trump. Jesus is coming any day now.

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18 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Liar & cheat ... maybe

 

Loser ... billionaire with wife 20+ yrs younger ... If that's a loser, sign me up ????

A loser is someone who 18 months after an election is still tiresomely obsessed with that loss. It's one thing to lose, quite another not to be able to accept it. That makes him a loser big time.

[BangkokReady]

On 7/23/2022 at 3:46 AM, Jingthing said:

He still has the majority of his cult followers.

The problem is that Trump represents something, an F-you to the man.  It's weird that it would come to this, but progressives have gone so far that they are "the man" now.  So even if Trump does something bad, he remains a "protest vote" against rampant wokeism and OTT progressiveness.

[EVENKEEL]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

A loser is someone who 18 months after an election is still tiresomely obsessed with that loss. It's one thing to lose, quite another not to be able to accept it. That makes him a loser big time.

Some folks might think the main objective of these hearings is to take folks attention away from the sad state of the Union. And the sinking poll numbers. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/president-joe-biden-job-approval-rating-hits-new-low-in-public-poll.html

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

The problem is that Trump represents something, an F-you to the man.  It's weird that it would come to this, but progressives have gone so far that they are "the man" now.  So even if Trump does something bad, he remains a "protest vote" against rampant wokeism and OTT progressiveness.

Give yourself a gold star.  ????

[Phoenix Rising]

59 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

The problem is that Trump represents something, an F-you to the man.  It's weird that it would come to this, but progressives have gone so far that they are "the man" now.  So even if Trump does something bad, he remains a "protest vote" against rampant wokeism and OTT progressiveness.

So it's spiting your face by cutting of your nose. I agree, been saying that all along. Sticking it to the libs/man is more important to the MAGA crowd that democracy and the rule of law. 

Sad.

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58 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Some folks might think the main objective of these hearings is to take folks attention away from the sad state of the Union. And the sinking poll numbers. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/president-joe-biden-job-approval-rating-hits-new-low-in-public-poll.html

Some folks think that the election was stolen, too. Some folks will believe anything.

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

So it's spiting your face by cutting of your nose.

How is it cutting your nose off?  Outside of what the media claims, how are Trump voters harmed by him being president?

[Phoenix Rising]

5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

How is it cutting your nose off?  Outside of what the media claims, how are Trump voters harmed by him being president?

Having a lying traitor as president is not good for the country, the same country the MAGA crowd live in (although it can be argued they live in a parallel dimension/alternative reality so it might not apply).

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Having a lying traitor as president is not good for the country, the same country the MAGA crowd live in (although it can be argued they live in a parallel dimension/alternative reality so it might not apply).

I think they probably don't see any real harm in it.  Most politicians are seen as lying.  It will be interesting to see how the "traitor" part plays out.  If he genuinely believed that the vote was rigged...?

[heybruce]

15 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I think they probably don't see any real harm in it.  Most politicians are seen as lying.  It will be interesting to see how the "traitor" part plays out.  If he genuinely believed that the vote was rigged...?

"If he genuinely believed that the vote was rigged...?"

 

That would make him delusional.  Not the sort of person you want to trust with the nuclear codes.

[Phoenix Rising]

16 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I think they probably don't see any real harm in it.  Most politicians are seen as lying.  It will be interesting to see how the "traitor" part plays out.  If he genuinely believed that the vote was rigged...?

"I think they probably don't see any real harm in it."

And that's a really scary thought.

 

"It will be interesting to see how the "traitor" part plays out.  If he genuinely believed that the vote was rigged...?"

If trump attempted murder do you think a valid defense argument would be that he thought the person he tried killing was the devil?

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

Some folks think that the election was stolen, too. Some folks will believe anything.

Unfortunately you are correct.  It is scary.

 

"Anyone who doubts the loyalty and even love that millions of Americans feel for Mr Trump should attend one of his rallies, or just watch one on YouTube. Each is a vicious, exhausting festival of the counterfactual, and his crowds glory in it. If Democrats had not cheated Mr Trump out of his second term—he actually won all 50 states “plus the islands, too”—Iran would have signed a nuclear deal within a week; just three weeks in, he would have finished his wall along the border with Mexico, and foreign adversaries would not be emptying their prisons into America; America’s streets would not be “flowing with the blood of innocent crime victims”; petrol would be cheap; Vladimir Putin would have left Ukraine alone, because Mr Trump would have withdrawn so smoothly from Afghanistan.  https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/07/21/the-january-6th-committee-has-hobbled-donald-trump

 

Funny that he didn't repeat his 2016 promise to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better and cheaper.

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[heybruce]

18 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Really, and exactly what did Trump do.  I see no footage of him leading the group of "protestors"  You see they are insurrectionists when they are Republicans and "demonstrators" when they are Democrats.  The fact is Obama was calling on people to get into someones face.  

If anyone is not seeing the difference it is you.  You chastize Trump for "not doing anything" but excuse Obama for calling on people to get in other peoples face even using the term we bring a gun.  

"get in their faces" as opposed to "march to the Capitol" and "fight like hell".

 

Trump was Commander in Chief and had a sworn duty to protect the country and the Constitution.  By not doing anything he is guilty of dereliction of duty at the very least.  That alone is grounds to be relieved of Command and never again trusted with such a responsibility.

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[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

And when did Trump lead that assault.  Its funny.  Liberals are such wordsmiths.  When it is a cause they are for. They rioters burning, looting, and vandalizing are "mostly peaceful protestors"   When people gather to go to the capital, don't burn, loot, or vandalize they are assaulting the capital and insurrectionists. 

Since Trump even announced running this is part of a concerted effort to drum up some pretense to try and smear his reputation.  You had the  Russian Collusion bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, you had the Stormy Daniels smear though the attorney for her is currently in jail, you had the Ukraine abuse of power, though Biden openly bragged about a quid pro quo witholding aid, and most recently the capital charade. 

It is a tactic called for by Saul Alinksy, you attack and keep attacking never let your opponent take the offensive.  You tell a lie, make it a big lie and keep repeating it.  It does not matter that later it is disproven because a certain number of people will only hear the smear never the retraction. 
 

 

Actually it is a tactic famously used by Roy Cohn, who Trump idealized.  https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144/

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Some folks might think the main objective of these hearings is to take folks attention away from the sad state of the Union. And the sinking poll numbers. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/president-joe-biden-job-approval-rating-hits-new-low-in-public-poll.html

Some folks, the ones who care about keeping the US a democracy, think the main objective to these hearings is to ensure that such a blatant attack on our government never happens again.

[BangkokReady]

11 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

And that's a really scary thought.

I mean, I don't think they suffered any particualrly negative consequenses.  Don't forget that Trump acheived some good things during his presidency.

 

11 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

If trump attempted murder do you think a valid defense argument would be that he thought the person he tried killing was the devil?

Well, that might lead to a defence of temporary madness or diminished responsibility.

 

I suppose you would need to examine any available evidence as to whether the election could have appeared rigged.  Trump might have to prove that he had reasonable grounds to believe that it was rigged.

[BangkokReady]

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Some folks, the ones who care about keeping the US a democracy, think the main objective to these hearings is to ensure that such a blatant attack on our government never happens again.

Why aren't they doing the same with the BLM riots?  Didn't they attack police stations and other government buildings?

[candide]

30 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I think they probably don't see any real harm in it.  Most politicians are seen as lying.  It will be interesting to see how the "traitor" part plays out.  If he genuinely believed that the vote was rigged...?

That's how compulsive liars behave. They end up believing their own lies. The hearings have confirmed he's been told many times that it was B.S., so it was a denial of reality..

 

In either case, being a liar and cheater, or living in an alternate reality, are fundamentally not what is expected from a President. ????

[MrJ2U]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Yeah, who cares about an insurrection or a president refusing to protect the chosen representatives.

Probably about everyone under the sun. 

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Why aren't they doing the same with the BLM riots?  Didn't they attack police stations and other government buildings?

Attacking a police station during a protest against police killings of unarmed suspects is a crime.

 

Attacking the US Capitol while Congress was certifying the election results was clearly an attempt at a coup. 

 

Both are bad.  However the attempted coup is by far the worse of the two.

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Attacking the US Capitol while Congress was certifying the election results was clearly an attempt at a coup. 

Didn't they just march into the building and take selfies?  You really thing they were going to lynch politicians or overthrow the government?  Or that they believed that either was actually within their power?

 

More likely, they had seen the left-wing have their fun and get away with it, and they wanted to have a turn.

 

Think about it.  The far-left, backed by the left-wing government, went on a rampage and attacked businesses and the police, which could be considered to be something that conservatives consider to be more their space.  So the conservatives went on their own little fun expedition into left-wing territory.

 

If the left-wing is allowed to do that, why can't the right?

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5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Attacking a police station during a protest against police killings of unarmed suspects is a crime.

 

Attacking the US Capitol while Congress was certifying the election results was clearly an attempt at a coup. 

 

Both are bad.  However the attempted coup is by far the worse of the two.

As I've pointed out earlier, lots of these loons believed that breaking into the Capitol would precipitate what the Qanonists call "The Storm". Which would result in the imprisonment and mass execution of govt officials both elected and appointed, and restore Donald Trump to the throne. Actually, it seems that Ginny Thomas, the wife of Clarence Thomas, was one of those believers. Although she didn't break into the Capitol.

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4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Didn't they just march into the building and take selfies?  You really thing they were going to lynch politicians or overthrow the government?  Or that they believed that either was actually within their power?

 

More likely, they had seen the left-wing have their fun and get away with it, and they wanted to have a turn.

 

Think about it.  The far-left, backed by the left-wing government, went on a rampage and attacked businesses and the police, which could be considered to be something that conservatives consider to be more their space.  So the conservatives went on their own little fun expedition into left-wing territory.

 

If the left-wing is allowed to do that, why can't the right?

There's a difference between criminal violence and violence to overthrow the Constitution of the United States. As anyone who has seen the videos knows, there was plenty of violence coming from the insurrectionists. And as reports now show, even the Secret Service feared them.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Some folks might think the main objective of these hearings is to take folks attention away from the sad state of the Union. And the sinking poll numbers. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/president-joe-biden-job-approval-rating-hits-new-low-in-public-poll.html

But most people who are capable of independent thinking just laugh at the people who do believe that.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Didn't they just march into the building and take selfies?  You really thing they were going to lynch politicians or overthrow the government?  Or that they believed that either was actually within their power?

 

More likely, they had seen the left-wing have their fun and get away with it, and they wanted to have a turn.

 

Think about it.  The far-left, backed by the left-wing government, went on a rampage and attacked businesses and the police, which could be considered to be something that conservatives consider to be more their space.  So the conservatives went on their own little fun expedition into left-wing territory.

 

If the left-wing is allowed to do that, why can't the right?

No they didn't all just walk in. 1.5 million in damages so far counted

 

[candide]

18 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Why aren't they doing the same with the BLM riots?  Didn't they attack police stations and other government buildings?

Come on, not this false equivalence again! They did not storm the Capitol in order to steal elections, they did not conspire to produce lists of fake electors, they were not acting according to lies served to them (black people have been really killed by the Police), etc... and no POTUS was involved.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Didn't they just march into the building and take selfies?  You really thing they were going to lynch politicians or overthrow the government?  Or that they believed that either was actually within their power?

 

More likely, they had seen the left-wing have their fun and get away with it, and they wanted to have a turn.

 

Think about it.  The far-left, backed by the left-wing government, went on a rampage and attacked businesses and the police, which could be considered to be something that conservatives consider to be more their space.  So the conservatives went on their own little fun expedition into left-wing territory.

 

If the left-wing is allowed to do that, why can't the right?

One was a protest, lead by Trump, some of whom became seriously violent. Trump watched on for hours clearly having knowledge of what was going on and doing nothing until reluctantly making a statement.

It is a huge concern if a potential nominee for 2024 is that delusional that he thinks the election was fraudulent. Even if he did though is advocating the march, and then watching a violent protest ensue, where lives of politicians were clearly at risk, and which stopped congress doing their job, something that should be acceptable and go without punishment. 

 

The other march, when Trump was in power,  was a disparate group of BLM protesters who took the streets and did not attack congress, some of whom became violent. Not lead or advocated by Biden. 

[BangkokReady]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There's a difference between criminal violence and violence to overthrow the Constitution of the United States.

Any real evidence they were actually doing that and not LARPing though?

[billd766]

29 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I mean, I don't think they suffered any particualrly negative consequenses.  Don't forget that Trump acheived some good things during his presidency.

 

Well, that might lead to a defence of temporary madness or diminished responsibility.

 

I suppose you would need to examine any available evidence as to whether the election could have appeared rigged.  Trump might have to prove that he had reasonable grounds to believe that it was rigged.

IIRC he tried that 63 times and failed each time.

 

3 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

We must be talking about Biden as he is doing such a  good job for America. It will most likely take to November before the truth comes out about The Big Guy and Hunter maybe than you guy 's might change your tune.

And maybe you are wrong. The difference is people like you won't change your tune.