Long traffic delays at Dover ferry port are fault of Brexit, claim French

[Rimmer]

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[RayC]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Perhaps not to socialists that don't like their country, or folk living in Costa del Lotta....????

Where is this Costa del Lotta which is such a Remainer stronghold?

 

Alternatively, maybe those socialists do love their country and believe that Brexit is damaging it.

 

If only someone could point out the benefits of Brexit to them?

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

Where is this Costa del Lotta which is such a Remainer stronghold?

 

Alternatively, maybe those socialists do love their country and believe that Brexit is damaging it.

 

If only someone could point out the benefits of Brexit to them?

 

 

Pointing out the benefits is regarded as being off -topic , so its not possible to state them 

[transam]

51 minutes ago, RayC said:

Where is this Costa del Lotta which is such a Remainer stronghold?

 

Alternatively, maybe those socialists do love their country and believe that Brexit is damaging it.

 

If only someone could point out the benefits of Brexit ?

 

 

........or French customs officials..............????.

[RayC]

56 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Pointing out the benefits is regarded as being off -topic , so its not possible to state them 

That's convenient, eh????? Hopefully, there will be an opportunity for us non-believers to be enlightened soon????????

[transam]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

That's convenient, eh????? Hopefully, there will be an opportunity for us non-believers to be enlightened soon????????

Have patience, Rome wasn't built in a day......????

[RayC]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Have patience, Rome wasn't built in a day......????

Maybe Brexit could have been built quicker if the UK hadn't got rid of all the Polish brickies and plumbers?????

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Maybe Brexit could have been built quicker if the UK hadn't got rid of all the Polish brickies and plumbers?????

But the U.K didn't get rid of anyone , the Polish Brickie's and Plumbers were given right to remain in the UK visas . 

   E.U Citizens already living in the U.K were given Visas allowing them to stay indefinitely .

   Its completely untrue that anyone got "kicked out" 

[bannork]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

That's convenient, eh????? Hopefully, there will be an opportunity for us non-believers to be enlightened soon????????

I humbly request the mods or whoever is in charge of topics in World News, to post a news story extolling the benefits of Brexit to balance the constant negative news we have been subject to since 2016.

[RayC]

19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

But the U.K didn't get rid of anyone , the Polish Brickie's and Plumbers were given right to remain in the UK visas . 

   E.U Citizens already living in the U.K were given Visas allowing them to stay indefinitely .

   Its completely untrue that anyone got "kicked out" 

My mistake. I should have been more precise and wrote,  'Made it more difficult for non-UK nationals to remain'.

 

I'm a little surprised that you replied to this particular post given that your dislike of going "off topic".

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

My mistake. I should have been more precise and wrote,  'Made it more difficult for non-UK nationals to remain'.

 

I'm a little surprised that you replied to this particular post given that your dislike of going "off topic".

Yes, all they had to do was go online and register to get the long term visas .

   Over six million E.U Nationals managed to register for long term U.K visas prior to Brexit

[candide]

14 minutes ago, bannork said:

I humbly request the mods or whoever is in charge of topics in World News, to post a news story extolling the benefits of Brexit to balance the constant negative news we have been subject to since 2016.

I second that proposal! ????

[Bruno123]

44 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

But the U.K didn't get rid of anyone , the Polish Brickie's and Plumbers were given right to remain in the UK visas . 

   E.U Citizens already living in the U.K were given Visas allowing them to stay indefinitely .

   Its completely untrue that anyone got "kicked out" 

Not true. There was a lot of stress felt over the Settled Status scheme.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/first-dates-star-fred-sirieix-ive-been-made-to-feel-like-a-second-class-citizen-11801072

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Not true. There was a lot of stress felt over the Settled Status scheme.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/first-dates-star-fred-sirieix-ive-been-made-to-feel-like-a-second-class-citizen-11801072

What bit wasnt true ?

In the link that you provided , it states   

The link that you provided backs up what I said 

 

 

"Mr Sirieix had, in fact, already been given indefinite leave to remain and did not need to apply for the settlement scheme."

[Bruno123]

19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, all they had to do was go online and register to get the long term visas .

   Over six million E.U Nationals managed to register for long term U.K visas prior to Brexit

Nonsense. You are just making it up.

 

Quote

Applications concluded

• 5.4 million (5,444,550) applications had been concluded up 30 June 2021).

• Of the concluded outcomes, 52% (2,846,820) were granted settled status, 43% (2,327,850) were granted pre-settled status and 4% had other outcomes (including 109,430 refused applications, 80,600 withdrawn or void applications, and 79,730 invalid applications).

• Concluded outcomes granted settled status were higher for Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland (60%, 57%, 56%, respectively), compared to England (53%).

Repeat applicants

• Of the 6.1 million applications recieved, 8% were from repeat applicants (472,220)

• This indicates that an estimated 5,548,440 people had applied to the scheme up to 30 June 2021, with over 4.9 million obtaining a grant of status.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-june-2021/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-june-2021

 

What long term visa would that be? There is pre-settled status if you can show that you lived in the UK for two years prior to Brexit and settled status if you could show you lived in the U.K. for five years or more. Once the pre-settled have lived in the U.K. for five years, they can apply for settled status.

There is no "long term visa" as you put it. Just that those who failed to apply became 'illegals'.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

But the U.K didn't get rid of anyone , the Polish Brickie's and Plumbers were given right to remain in the UK visas . 

   E.U Citizens already living in the U.K were given Visas allowing them to stay indefinitely .

   Its completely untrue that anyone got "kicked out" 

6 million of them.  
Nothing special about their work, but they accept poorer living conditions to save money. What is left after a few street drinking sessions gets sent home to build the biggest house in the village. 

[Bruno123]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What bit wasnt true ?

In the link that you provided , it states   

The link that you provided backs up what I said 

 

 

"Mr Sirieix had, in fact, already been given indefinite leave to remain and did not need to apply for the settlement scheme."

 

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What bit wasnt true ?

In the link that you provided , it states   

The link that you provided backs up what I said 

 

 

"Mr Sirieix had, in fact, already been given indefinite leave to remain and did not need to apply for the settlement scheme."

 

 

That's what the HO stated after their blunder was revealed. 

 

Not sure why you stopped reading after that:

 

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A Home Office spokesperson said: "We have contacted Mr Sirieix about his application and he has now been granted settled status."

 

So why did they give him settled status if he "did not need to apply"?

 

It was stressful for many.

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Nonsense. You are just making it up.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-june-2021/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-june-2021

 

 

No, your figures were not the complete figures .

Here are the complete figures .

Your figures are from June 2021

My figures are from December 2021

Which show I am right 

 

Applications received

• as seen in Figure 1, as of 31 December 2021, 6.4 million (6,385,470) applications had been received, with 89% received in England, 5% in Scotland, 2% in Wales and 2% in Northern Ireland

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-december-2021/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-december-2021#:~:text=3.-,Applications to the EU Settlement Scheme,31 December 2021 was 333%2C200.

[Bruno123]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

6 million of them.  
Nothing special about their work, but they accept poorer living conditions to save money. What is left after a few street drinking sessions gets sent home to build the biggest house in the village. 

What an ignorant post. 

Do you imagine that the only Europeans living in the U.K take part in manual labour.

How do you know about the working standards of millions of people? Poorer living conditions? Tell us about them.

So sad that you make such a poor case for yourself.

 

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

 

 

 

That's what the HO stated after their blunder was revealed. 

 

Not sure why you stopped reading after that:

 

 

So why did they give him settled status if he "did not need to apply"?

 

It was stressful for many.

A bit of stress? Visa application processing usually is for anybody anywhere.
So many rushed to get their applications in to enjoy life in post-Brexit Britain that it can’t have been too stressful. They must see more benefits of Brexit than the average Remainer. 
Maybe we should have given them the vote then the referendum margin would have been 6 million more for Leave. 

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

What an ignorant post. 

Do you imagine that the only Europeans living in the U.K take part in manual labour.

How do you know about the working standards of millions of people? Poorer living conditions? Tell us about them.

So sad that you make such a poor case for yourself.

 

All true. Visible in many cities in the UK, which is one reason why the referendum didn’t turn out as the elites expected. 

How would you know any better, preaching from a lofty perch in the EU or Thailand?

[Bruno123]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, your figures were not the complete figures .

Here are the complete figures .

Your figures are from June 2021

My figures are from December 2021

Which show I am right 

 

Applications received

• as seen in Figure 1, as of 31 December 2021, 6.4 million (6,385,470) applications had been received, with 89% received in England, 5% in Scotland, 2% in Wales and 2% in Northern Ireland

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-december-2021/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-december-2021#:~:text=3.-,Applications to the EU Settlement Scheme,31 December 2021 was 333%2C200.

No, it shows that you have an inability to comprehend what you are reading. Those are applications received, not people who have been given a 'long term visa'. The other figures(other than Settled and Pre-settled) are for Refused, Withdrawn/Void and Invalid.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1078303/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-tables-28-august-2018-to-31-march-2022.ods

 

                                                 Total                      Settled                          Pre-settled              

Total

6,271,240

3,200,980

2,576,360

251,860

122,800

118,970

 

 

[Bruno123]

15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

A bit of stress? Visa application processing usually is for anybody anywhere.
So many rushed to get their applications in to enjoy life in post-Brexit Britain that it can’t have been too stressful. They must see more benefits of Brexit than the average Remainer. 
Maybe we should have given them the vote then the referendum margin would have been 6 million more for Leave. 

It wasn't a visa application. Do you have any knowledge of the process at all? I am guessing that you have none. 

If you had built a life in a country that might suddenly consider you persona non grata, why would you not rush to fill the form in? Some really idiotic statements posted within this thread.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

No, it shows that you have an inability to comprehend what you are reading. Those are applications received, not people who have been given a 'long term visa'. The other figures(other than Settled and Pre-settled) are for Refused, Withdrawn/Void and Invalid.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1078303/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-tables-28-august-2018-to-31-march-2022.ods

 

                                                 Total                      Settled                          Pre-settled              

Total

6,271,240

3,200,980

2,576,360

251,860

122,800

118,970

 

 

Settlement and Pre settlement visas ARE long term visas , it gives people the right to remain in the U.K indefinitely .

   Pre settlement visas are visas given to people prior to getting a settlement visa .

  6.4 million  applications  for long term visas were made and 6.1 Million visas were granted 

[Bruno123]

14 minutes ago, Loiner said:

All true. Visible in many cities in the UK, which is one reason why the referendum didn’t turn out as the elites expected. 

How would you know any better, preaching from a lofty perch in the EU or Thailand?

The referendum went that way not because of what appeared like uncontrolled migration(Syrians etc at that point because of yet another war) and the lies perpetrated by the usual suspects.

 

But it seems yourself and mick are struggling to point out any positive effect of Brexit beyond the migration issue and even with that....is it any less than it was?

 

[Bruno123]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Settlement and Pre settlement visas ARE long term visas , it gives people the right to remain in the U.K indefinitely .

   Pre settlement visas are visas given to people prior to getting a settlement visa .

  6.4 million  applications  for long term visas were made and 6.1 Million visas were granted 

Nope, there is no visa. You are just making it up as you go along. The figures to March 2022 do not show six million given pre-settled and settled status. Are you unable to comprehend what you are reading? I explained it earlier.

[RayC]

22 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Settlement and Pre settlement visas ARE long term visas , it gives people the right to remain in the U.K indefinitely .

   Pre settlement visas are visas given to people prior to getting a settlement visa .

  6.4 million  applications  for long term visas were made and 6.1 Million visas were granted 

While we're off-topic we might as well discuss those Brexit benefits!

[RayC]

59 minutes ago, Loiner said:

6 million of them.  
Nothing special about their work, but they accept poorer living conditions to save money. What is left after a few street drinking sessions gets sent home to build the biggest house in the village. 

Bit of xenophobia for the weekend, sir?

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, RayC said:

While we're off-topic we might as well discuss those Brexit benefits!

No, lets get back on topic , or now that the French immigration has gone back to work and their technical glitch has been sorted out , and there's no more delays at Dover , there's no reason to continue with this thread .

   Although we could ask the question about how Brexit caused a two delay at Dover after the Brexit rules had been in place for two and a half years already ? 

[RayC]

29 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Settlement and Pre settlement visas ARE long term visas , it gives people the right to remain in the U.K indefinitely .

   Pre settlement visas are visas given to people prior to getting a settlement visa .

  6.4 million  applications  for long term visas were made and 6.1 Million visas were granted 

EU nationals did not have to apply for settled status before the referendum, therefore would you agree that it was easier for EU nationals to live in the UK pre-referendum than post?