Nearly one in three Americans say it may soon be necessary to take up arms against the government

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, BangkokHank said:

Voting no longer has any meaning - now that the Democrats have realized that they can get away with stealing elections. You approve of the theft because the party you favor "won" the election this time. But what happens next time, if the other part steals the election? Will you still be in favor of rigged elections then? When trust in the election system is gone, the whole concept of democracy breaks down. And I'd say we're already at that point.

AFAIK the Republican Party has fought long and hard to exclude minority groups from exercising their voting rights. Their trust in the voting system is probably frayed as well.

 

Please tell me, how do you steal an election when you have 8 million more popular votes than Trump? Sounds to me it was the Republicans who were doing most of the rigging, and failing. The Republicans who have conceded the election was won fairly are labelled as RINO's, and get death threats for their honesty.

 

Hitler came to power with a minority vote, despite a concerted campaign of violence and intimidation against all non-Nazi parties. His supporters were all brainwashed into believing he was the savior of Germany.

History repeats itself, see where I am going with this?

[Boomer6969]

16 hours ago, baboon said:

But you do know the government has a large army, drones, tanks, warplanes, tactical nuclear weapons... Plus 2 in 3 of the civilian population who do not want to take up arms. I don't see it going well from an outsiders' perspective....

You are right, but still we have 1 in 3 Americans who are seriously challenged intellectually. And they feel left behind, little fat whiteys full of rage. Not good.

[moogradod]

24 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said:

A 23 yr old fellow just turned down a $440,000,000 multi year contract to play baseball...

 

I'm going to say something is wrong, sure. 

 

But, what I don't get about civil war is who is who? In the past, there were boundaries, physical borders. 

Something is wrong and you can look wherever you want: Climate, decline of values, wars - even real nuclear threats, Chinese threats upcoming in addition, Dictatorships increasing, pandemics (and might be increasing) ....

I am thinking hard if this is a too pessimistic view and I might ignore what has happened in the past, but somehow I have a gut feeling that this is not true. We seem indeed to slide more and more towards an (even more) dark age.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Boomer6969 said:

You are right, but still we have 1 in 3 Americans who are seriously challenged intellectually. And they feel left behind, little fat whiteys full of rage. Not good.

Is racist abuse acceptable in this day and age !!!!!!!!!!

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

AFAIK the Republican Party has fought long and hard to exclude minority groups from exercising their voting rights. Their trust in the voting system is probably frayed as well.

 

Please tell me, how do you steal an election when you have 8 million more popular votes than Trump? Sounds to me it was the Republicans who were doing most of the rigging, and failing. The Republicans who have conceded the election was won fairly are labelled as RINO's, and get death threats for their honesty.

 

Hitler came to power with a minority vote, despite a concerted campaign of violence and intimidation against all non-Nazi parties. His supporters were all brainwashed into believing he was the savior of Germany.

History repeats itself, see where I am going with this?

Along the lines of :

  Trump is the new Hitler and Americans may need to take up arms in the future to stop  Trump taking control on the world and to stop World War three happening ?

[bradiston]

34 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Most Americans are blissfully unaware of the fact there is one of the most socialist organizations on the planet right in their midst. It's called the American military.

I don't get it

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

Fascism was invented by Mussolini a socialist.

Mussolini founded and led the National Fascist Party.

 

How did you determine that he was a socialist?

[ozimoron]

24 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Some tree different branch.

Only if you graft the tree.

[Sparktrader]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Mussolini founded and led the National Fascist Party.

 

How did you determine that he was a socialist?

I studied history and economics.

 

https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-mussolini

Edited July 26, 2022 by Sparktrader

[talahtnut]

Dear Americans, your vote is meaningless, it has no effect

on how you are governed, or should I say, being destroyed.

Be not surprised if people take arms against such corruption.

[300sd]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Fear of democracy. That's the only driver of this sentiment, otherwise they'd be content to vote and let the chips fall where they may.

Yeh right. Who was it that said, "He's not my President!" How many of YOU said that? You don't like it, then accept a president and vote him out, when the time comes. No, you would rather divide your country and it will never go back. The US is finished because of so much hate. It's unbelievable.

[ozimoron]

Just now, Sparktrader said:

I studied history and economics.

You're right, but he fell off the turnip truck over nationalism. Given his marching orders by the socialist party for being a warmonger.

[Sparktrader]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You're right, but he fell off the turnip truck over nationalism. Given his marching orders by the socialist party for being a warmonger.

He quit socialism as it was too soft for him. Hitler did the same.

 

Fascism is based on state control though.

[JimmyJ]

17 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

This is what happens when your country hasn't been at war with anyone for a year.

The USA has (officially) dropped 1,178 bombs under Biden.

 

The USA is continuously at war.

 

(Pentagon publication)

https://www.afcent.af.mil/Portals/82/November 2021 Airpower Summary_FINAL.pdf

 

https://www.salon.com/2022/01/11/the-us-drops-an-average-of-46-bombs-a-day-why-should-the-world-see-us-as-a-force-for-peace/

Edited July 26, 2022 by JimmyJ

[Gecko123]

1 hour ago, phetphet said:

As a non American, what I find scary is the US National debt. I thought our UK national  debt was big, but wow!

If the "everything bubble" bursts, it's not losing our shirts we should fear, it's the political and social turmoil that will inevitably follow which should terrify us.

[Sparktrader]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

 

Worst since Truman.

[Lacessit]

43 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I don't get it

Don't you? If you are in the American military, free dental and medical care. Education, housing, pensions. Even meals and clothing. All the features of socialism.

 

Australian governments alternate between socialist and conservative governments, peacefully. IME it's the conservative ones that have the most corruption, employ the dirtiest tricks, and do the most harm to ordinary people. As witness the latest screwup over household electricity costs, legacy of conservative government policy, or lack of it.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Lacessit

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Don't you? If you are in the American military, free dental and medical care. Education, housing, pensions. Even clothing. All the features of socialism.

 

 

Who pays for that though ?

Where does the US$800 Billion per year to pay for the military come from ?

   Is the money generated through Socialism ?

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Yeh right. Who was it that said, "He's not my President!" How many of YOU said that? You don't like it, then accept a president and vote him out, when the time comes. No, you would rather divide your country and it will never go back. The US is finished because of so much hate. It's unbelievable.

If you're referring to me I'm not American. If you're referring to Trump [as President], nobody took up arms, they waited and voted him out. By a lot. If you're referring to Biden, I have heard and read that sentiment often. Pretty much everybody who believes in the big lie says so.

 

The hate really started when Obama was elected. Black man in the White house and all that. White supremacist hate groups proliferated during Obama's tenure. Trump gave legitimacy and voice to the haters who had been largely kept under a lid previously. Again, I'll say I blame it on the southern baptist church who arose out of support for slavery and racial segregation. Nothing's changed except except the sponsors. Racial tensions inflamed in the south after the civil rights movement got rid of the Democrat Jim Crow laws until, during Nixon's tenure, the Republicans bought the franchise on racial hatred.

 

We saw the race card played to the max by Trump and now others politicians on the right see mileage in extremist far right racist policies and replacing the "socialist" regime with a fascist regime.

 

 

 

 

[scorecard]

17 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That's what happens when you grew up watching Rambo and the Terminator 

And allow yourself to be brainwashed by lying people like trump and allow yourself to be swayed by obvious illogical conspiracy theory gangs, and you don't object to people who try to operate outside of the law.  

[ozimoron]

14 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

He quit socialism as it was too soft for him. Hitler did the same.

 

Fascism is based on state control though.

Not at all, fascism is normally fuelled by the rich. Fascism and Oligarchies go hand in hand. Think Russia, Putin draws all his support from his crony oligarchs. Trump was an oligarch and largely chose rich people people in his cabinet. China is no different. China is decidedly not a socialist country. It is in effect fascist with a president for life who is supported by the rich.

[moogradod]

5 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

 

Worst since Truman.

The current population of the US is about 350 Mio people. What is a complete mystery to me is why one single intelligent compassionate strong ingenious leader to be the president cannot be found. I guess there must be at least hundreds that are well qualified and never get the chance because they are not part of the system that allows election. Or they are maybe too clever to be interested in the job.

[bradiston]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Don't you? If you are in the American military, free dental and medical care. Education, housing, pensions. Even clothing. All the features of socialism.

 

Australian governments alternate between socialist and conservative governments, peacefully. IME it's the conservative ones that have the most corruption, employ the dirtiest tricks, and do the most harm to ordinary people. As witness the latest screwup over household electricity costs, legacy of conservative government policy, or lack of it.

The American military taking care of it's own doesn't make it socialist. What an absurd notion. There has never been and probably never will be a socialist government in the USA. Socialism is a political doctrine.

 

And what has the Australian government got to do with all this?

[BangkokHank]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is racist abuse acceptable in this day and age !!!!!!!!!!

Only when it's against Whites.

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, bradiston said:

The American military taking care of it's own doesn't make it socialist. What an absurd notion. There has never been and probably never will be a socialist government in the USA. Socialism is a political doctrine.

 

And what has the Australian government got to do with all this?

My point about the Australian government is to illustrate there are plenty of democracies in the world that have socialist governments from time to time, without getting their knickers in a twist about the term as Americans do.

 

I've listed the facts regarding the American military. I can't help it if you have pre-conceived ideas on what socialism is.

[Sparktrader]

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Not at all, fascism is normally fuelled by the rich. Fascism and Oligarchies go hand in hand. Think Russia, Putin draws all his support from his crony oligarchs. Trump was an oligarch and largely chose rich people people in his cabinet. China is no different. China is decidedly not a socialist country. It is in effect fascist with a president for life who is supported by the rich.

State based control. The leaders of communist countries are rich too. All forms of leaders are.

 

Never really seen a poor leader.

[rudi49jr]

7 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

State based control. The leaders of communist countries are rich too. All forms of leaders are.

 

Never really seen a poor leader.

How about Gandhi? And there are plenty of ‘leaders’ who just earn their salary as president or prime minister, and nothing else. Usually that’s quite a good salary, they won’t starve to death, but I wouldn’t call those leaders rich. 

[EVENKEEL]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Fear of democracy. That's the only driver of this sentiment, otherwise they'd be content to vote and let the chips fall where they may.

it's nothing more than a headline, that draws the crazies out in the open. By crazies I'm referring to the very progressive left folks.

[Sparktrader]

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

How about Gandhi? And there are plenty of ‘leaders’ who just earn their salary as president or prime minister, and nothing else. Usually that’s quite a good salary, they won’t starve to death, but I wouldn’t call those leaders rich. 

One out of hundreds

[1FinickyOne]

1 hour ago, moogradod said:

indeed to slide more and more towards an (even more) dark age.

since you mention sliding - everyone cheats - baserunners now wear sliding mitts which just happen to be long so they can make it to the base just a fraction of a second sooner... 

 

baseball fans like you know the game... a metaphor for life.