Nearly one in three Americans say it may soon be necessary to take up arms against the government

[rudi49jr]

8 minutes ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

mass shootings are the norm  almost a daily-weekly event--thanks GOP!

At least 314 so far this year. That’s an average of 1,5 per day. Ridiculous. 

[rudi49jr]

2 minutes ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

You want the link with the shooter with the trump flag?...ive got tons of em..

Now lets debate if these shooters are male or female--Libs or Republicans.....

I’d bet good money that more than 90% (maybe even 95%?) are male and vote Republican.

[olfu]

Revolution will start when there is no food at supermarkets.

[bradiston]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

LOL, you think asserting your opinion makes it so? Classic begging the question.

How does having free housing, clothing, dental care, medical care, education and pensions make the American military any different from a socialist country? Those are facts, not assumptions.

I have yet to see any explanation from you as to why the American military is different.

You are attacking my proposition without bringing any countervailing evidence, parroting the adjective absurd doesn't cut it.

 

Name one large corporation that doesn't have at least one of your acid test of a socialist system in place. Large organizations all offer rewards and benefits, in order to attract potential employees. The fact that those benefits seem to resemble what you consider identifies a socialist regime hardly marks them out as socialist organizations. But as for the military, their internal hierarchical structure, essential to their effective operation, is far from any socialist ideal. If it wasn't, why don't all would be socialists enroll? They've nothing to lose but their lives. I know very few US army personnel so I don't know how it all works. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But do they really perceive the US military as some sort of socialist utopia?

[chalawaan]

Which Government? Hopefully China, who is laughing at the mess they're making of their freedoms. 

[bendejo]

All those people spent all that money on guns and ammo and now they are itchy to use them.  I'd also expect nagging spouses going on with "the kids need shoes and we have no money for them because you spent it all on your damn guns!"

 

 

[honcho]

On 7/26/2022 at 4:21 AM, Sticky Rice Balls said:

as a Yank i agree nearly 1 in 3 Americans are idiots--We call them MAGA.....

 

 

no the maga lot as you name them see thru the media bias and corruption of the biden lot, they are sane not melting down over pronouns and abortions... bring back trump!

[pomchop]

In other news:  Half of american adults read at 8th grade or less level.  Let me try and guess which group might comprise the most of these uneducated cult members that drink kool aide and fall for  con men and big lies.

[candide]

15 minutes ago, honcho said:

no the maga lot as you name them see thru the media bias and corruption of the biden lot, they are sane not melting down over pronouns and abortions... bring back trump!

Right. The MAGA lot see through the media bias and get unbiased information from Fox News, Breitbart, Infowars and Internet memes! ???? 

Edited July 26, 2022 by candide

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

I left for LOS in 2008--i thought the big bank bailouts was enough for me..

Same as me I arrived here July 2008 from UK

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, bradiston said:

Name one large corporation that doesn't have at least one of your acid test of a socialist system in place. Large organizations all offer rewards and benefits, in order to attract potential employees. The fact that those benefits seem to resemble what you consider identifies a socialist regime hardly marks them out as socialist organizations. But as for the military, their internal hierarchical structure, essential to their effective operation, is far from any socialist ideal. If it wasn't, why don't all would be socialists enroll? They've nothing to lose but their lives. I know very few US army personnel so I don't know how it all works. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But do they really perceive the US military as some sort of socialist utopia?

I doubt I could name one corporation that has ALL the benefits the American military provides. I also doubt many military people know or care their organization has many features of socialism. Having said that, I'd bet a considerable proportion of military personnel find the certainty of service more comforting than civilian life.

 

Why is the concept of the American military being socialist so offensive to you? Is it because, like many Americans, you have been indoctrinated since birth socialism is evil? As the Second Amendment is regarded as holy writ by many Americans?

 

Socialism is no more evil than capitalism. Both have the capacity for good, and evil if taken to excess.

 

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

7 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

On January 6, 2021, Trump gleefully watched TV for 187 minutes and did nothing to stop the rioters,  or should I say insurrectionists? Nothing. He watched as people got hurt, police officers were beaten up, one police officer even died, and he did nothing to stop it. Rioters chanted “hang Mike Pence” and Trump said Pence probably deserved to be hanged. What has Biden ever done as president that even comes close to such despicable behavior?
So if you want to discuss “substandard”, as you put it, I would say that Trump is in a league of his own when it comes to being the worst president ever. 

Insurrection? lol. It was a riot by a few loons. Anyway, ignoring the hyperbole, what has Biden done that has come close to what Trump may or may not have done?

 

Well he totally screwed up the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, sending the region into chaos and pretty much reinstating the Taliban as leaders while simultaneously arming them to the teeth with US weapons that were left behind.

 

So there's that...

 

[BangkokHank]

13 hours ago, billd766 said:

You keep bleating about the Democrats stealing the elections but fail to come up with any proof or links.

 

You claim it is true. Now prove it.

My claim is based on my observations during the vote counting. On election night, when I went to bed, Trump had an insurmountable lead in most, if not all, of the swing states. As I slept, the vote counting was paused in those swing states - to allow the Democrats to figure out how many votes they needed to steal to win the election. Then, during the next few hours, almost all of the remaining votes that came in were for Biden. By the time I woke up the next morning, a mathematics-defying miracle had happened - and Biden had "won" the election. 

 

The reason why even Republicans accepted this sham election was because they didn't like Trump either. He interrupted "business as usual" in Washington, under which there is an agreement between the two parties that they will take turns fleecing the American people every four to eight years - while not doing anything for the country or its people. Trump got in the way of that - by trying to do at least some good for the country.

 

It's not that I think that Trump is a good person or an ideal candidate by any means. But in elections, people can only choose from among the available candidates. And in that election, Trump was infinitely better for the country that Biden was, which most observers would agree with based on Biden's "performance" over the past couple of years.

[metisdead]

A troll post altering another member's user name has been removed. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Well he totally screwed up the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, sending the region into chaos and pretty much reinstating the Taliban as leaders while simultaneously arming them to the teeth with US weapons that were left behind.

 

The US-Taliban agreement by Trump to withdraw troops by May 2021 started the devastating collapse of the Afghan military morale and was the catalyst for the country collapse. The agreement has a psycological impact for the soldiers who switched to survival instead of fighting mode. Trump shared the blame with Biden for the country falling to the Taliban. 

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The US-Taliban agreement by Trump to withdraw troops by May 2021 started the devastating collapse of the Afghan military morale and was the catalyst for the country collapse. The agreement has a psycological impact for the soldiers who switched to survival instead of fighting mode. Trump shared the blame with Biden for the country falling to the Taliban. 

Nice attempt to blame Trump. I'm no fan of Trump as I have already stated, but withdrawal would have been fine had it been managed properly. 

 

Biden completely screwed it up, but then what do you expect from someone who can barely string a coherent sentence together? 

[bradiston]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I doubt I could name one corporation that has ALL the benefits the American military provides. I also doubt many military people know or care their organization has many features of socialism. Having said that, I'd bet a considerable proportion of military personnel find the certainty of service more comforting than civilian life.

 

Why is the concept of the American military being socialist so offensive to you? Is it because, like many Americans, you have been indoctrinated since birth socialism is evil? As the Second Amendment is regarded as holy writ by many Americans?

 

Socialism is no more evil than capitalism. Both have the capacity for good, and evil if taken to excess.

 

 

 

 

I'm not American. And I'm not anti American, which I see more and more amongst friends and acquaintances. Socialism has long been a dirty word for many even in my home country, which used to be part of Europe. In the States, and elsewhere, it seems conflated with communism or some form of state control which they are programmed to violently resist, deeming it an infringement of their "liberty". Well, that's another story. Your assertion that the US military was a socialist institution just struck me as too incongruous to go unchallenged, and I haven't changed my mind. Socialism is, or was, an ideal that people have given their lives to strive for, have been imprisoned, tortured and murdered for, and one that the US government and hence military, has historically been involved in actively destroying. That's all.

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nice attempt to blame Trump. I'm no fan of Trump as I have already stated, but withdrawal would have been fine had it been managed properly. 

 

Biden completely screwed it up, but then what do you expect from someone who can barely string a coherent sentence together? 

Nice attempt to try abscond blame on Trump but at least you restore some sense of intelligence by taking a stand against an despicable and lying grifter. Pentagon and the US Intelligence community didn't predict that the Afghan security forces would collapse so quickly and dramatically and offer no resistance. There is a failure on the intelligense side and a lack of coordination with European allies who felt betrayed by the American exit. Biden failed in providing leadership but not all his fault. 

[pomchop]

50 minutes ago, BangkokHank said:

My claim is based on my observations during the vote counting. On election night, when I went to bed, Trump had an insurmountable lead in most, if not all, of the swing states. As I slept, the vote counting was paused in those swing states - to allow the Democrats to figure out how many votes they needed to steal to win the election. Then, during the next few hours, almost all of the remaining votes that came in were for Biden. By the time I woke up the next morning, a mathematics-defying miracle had happened - and Biden had "won" the election. 

 

The reason why even Republicans accepted this sham election was because they didn't like Trump either. He interrupted "business as usual" in Washington, under which there is an agreement between the two parties that they will take turns fleecing the American people every four to eight years - while not doing anything for the country or its people. Trump got in the way of that - by trying to do at least some good for the country.

 

It's not that I think that Trump is a good person or an ideal candidate by any means. But in elections, people can only choose from among the available candidates. And in that election, Trump was infinitely better for the country that Biden was, which most observers would agree with based on Biden's "performance" over the past couple of years.

60+ court cases with mostly republican appointed judges along with multiple recounts in multiple states over and over and over show no evidence of serious voter fraud...even trumps own lawyer rudy said they had lots of theories but NO EVIDENCE.  But somehow you seem to know that the vote counting was rigged???   Got some evidence you'd like to share that nobody else has been able to provide?   

 

DUH....it was well known and has been reported over and over even before the election that repubs tend to vote  in person more and those are the first votes counted...dems tended to vote via mail more and those votes are counted later..there was no mathematical miracle.  Please stop spreading lies and garbage.  Trump lost .Deal with it.

[Berkshire]

55 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nice attempt to blame Trump. I'm no fan of Trump as I have already stated.....

 

Why is it that when someone says they are "no fan of Trump," it's ALWAYS revealed later that they are.  Why not just confess and avoid all this hiding and fake objectivity?  Because attacking Biden as you do, you're not much different from these other right wing nutters. 

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Why is it that when someone says they are "no fan of Trump," it's ALWAYS revealed later that they are.  Why not just confess and avoid all this hiding and fake objectivity?  Because attacking Biden as you do, you're not much different from these other right wing nutters. 

???? If I was a fan of Trump, I would not have said they are both woeful, would I?

 

You are obviously extremely partisan. You also clearly lack the insight to acknowledge that not everyone falls on one side of the fence or the other. Ackowledging that Joe Biden is an incompetent old man unfit to be President does not make me a fan of Trump, or a "right wing nutter". Please do not assume that everyone shares your lack of intellect or extreme views.  

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

???? If I was a fan of Trump, I would not have said they are both woeful, would I?

 

You are obviously extremely partisan. You also clearly lack the insight to acknowledge that not everyone falls on one side of the fence or the other. Ackowledging that Joe Biden is an incompetent old man unfit to be President does not make me a fan of Trump, or a "right wing nutter". Please do not assume that everyone shares your lack of intellect or extreme views.  

5555....you just outed yourself yet again.  Calling Joe Biden "an incompetent old man unfit to be President" is a standard right wing talking point that has been used ad nauseam.  We all know that President Biden is old, perhaps past his prime.  But even if he is half the man he was, he's still infinitely a better President than Trump will ever be at any age.  

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

5555....you just outed yourself yet again.  Calling Joe Biden "an incompetent old man unfit to be President" is a standard right wing talking point that has been used ad nauseam.  We all know that President Biden is old, perhaps past his prime.  But even if he is half the man he was, he's still infinitely a better President than Trump will ever be at any age.  

 

Allow me to help. Listen carefully as I won't explain it for a third time. It is possible to think that Joe Biden is an incompetent, senile old man and simultaneously think that Trump is an egotistical idiot. Especially for a non American like myself who doesn't have a horse in the race. I can only shake my head and feel pity that these are the offerings put forward to the American people. It's a sad state of affairs for a once great country.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by Rimmer
Flames edited out!!!

[ballpoint]

"Nearly one in three Americans say it may soon be necessary to take up arms against the government".

 

I'd love to see them try.  It would solve most of America's current problems, and not in the way the weapons wielding weirdos are planning it to.  After all, to paraphrase The Clash:

"'Cos it won't get you anywhere

Fooling with the gun

The US army is waiting out there

And it weighs fifteen hundred tons"

 

(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais

[Berkshire]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

You really seem to be struggling this with ????.

 

Allow me to help. Listen carefully as I won't explain it for a third time. It is possible to think that Joe Biden is an incompetent, senile old man and simultaneously think that Trump is an egotistical idiot. Especially for a non American like myself who doesn't have a horse in the race. I can only shake my head and feel pity that these are the offerings put forward to the American people. It's a sad state of affairs for a once great country.

 

I hope you understood this time although I have my doubts. Your lack of intellect is only matched by your obsession with the 'Right Wing'. You might want to get some help with that ????. 

Keep at it son.  It is your lack of intellect that compels you to keep repeating right wing talking points, yet deny that you are right wing.  I doubt you possess the intellectual capacity to come up with your own thoughts, but hey, surprise us. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, bradiston said:

I'm not American. And I'm not anti American, which I see more and more amongst friends and acquaintances. Socialism has long been a dirty word for many even in my home country, which used to be part of Europe. In the States, and elsewhere, it seems conflated with communism or some form of state control which they are programmed to violently resist, deeming it an infringement of their "liberty". Well, that's another story. Your assertion that the US military was a socialist institution just struck me as too incongruous to go unchallenged, and I haven't changed my mind. Socialism is, or was, an ideal that people have given their lives to strive for, have been imprisoned, tortured and murdered for, and one that the US government and hence military, has historically been involved in actively destroying. That's all.

Point taken, the US military has indeed been involved in quite a few unsavory episodes.

I've been to America many times, there are things Americans do extremely well, others where belief overrules facts and logic. This thread is an illustration.

Perhaps I might have worded my post better by saying the American military exhibits many of the features of a socialist organisation, but perhaps that would not be satisfactory to you either.

[ozimoron]

9 hours ago, honcho said:

no the maga lot as you name them see thru the media bias and corruption of the biden lot, they are sane not melting down over pronouns and abortions... bring back trump!

well, they wouldn't. It's the MAGA backing laws against free choice and using the pronouns. Of course, they're not freaking out. The car thief doesn't complain about cars being stolen, just the victims.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Along with 1 or 2 million new 'illegal' voters crossing the border every year now.  Any wonder why one party doesn't want voter IDs to be enforced.

 

Come on in, get free Sh!t ... and when you vote, don't forget who invited you, let you in, and gave you free sh!t.  We don't care if you're here illegally, as long as you vote for us.

Illegals can't vote and there is no history of significant voter fraud due to voting without ID.

 

If you had any links to evidence I'm sure you would have posted them so we can be confident that there are none.

Edited July 27, 2022 by ozimoron

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Proof, proof and proof again. If you have the proof then post it openly. If you don't then don't bother to post innuendo. Trump LOST legally. What is so hard to understand about that?

They DO understand. Posting misinformation and conspiracy theories is the MAGA way. Recognizing the truth leaves no path to power. Fomenting a civil war is their only hope.

[ozimoron]

Trump, Pence speeches put stark GOP divide on display

 

Among his proposals, he called for executing drug dealers, sending the homeless to tent cities on the outskirts of cities, and expanding his Southern border wall.

 

Biden joined in — on Twitter — dismissing Trump’s claim to have been a law-and-order president. Referring to the Capitol riot, he tweeted: “I don’t think inciting a mob that attacks a police officer is ‘respect for the law.’ You can’t be pro-insurrection and pro-cop – or pro-democracy, or pro-American.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-government-and-politics-14dad6900059354178c37e49bb445807