Mountain B fire: Full extent of tragedy hits home in horrific story of Vietnamese lady "Nong Kim"

[Ralf001]

14 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Have you traveled through Rayong lately, construction nightmare. 

Yeah every other day... Phan Thong to Rayong.

[MikeyIdea]

17 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Its a very simple concept.

 

closing time is 12am.

 

Fire started at 1am.

 

Am sure you can figure it out.

I am sure that you can figure out that both opening and closing time for a club that is not allowed to open is never. 

 

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, MikeyIdea said:

I am sure that you can figure out that both opening and closing time for a club that is not allowed to open is never. 

 

It was legally allowed to open as the restaurant it was licenced for..... but restaurants don't catch fire do they !!

 

[MikeyIdea]

2 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

It was legally allowed to open as the restaurant it was licenced for..... but restaurants don't catch fire do they !!

 

There are different regulations for nightime venues and restaurants for a reason my dear

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, MikeyIdea said:

There are different regulations for nightime venues and restaurants for a reason my dear

Indeed, thats why many nigh time venues during covid re-licenced as a restaurant in order to re-open their doors.

 

I wonder if they have re-licence back to be a night time venue or are they operating illegally ?

[transam]

15 hours ago, starky said:

One of very few places in the world though as I said. Hardly the point though is it?

Just pointing it out.....????

[transam]

14 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Only in an emergency would treatment be free for a foreigner. The notion that they'll treat any foreigners chilblains for free is patently false.

That is another subject, mon ami, but any foreigner burned in similar circumstances in the UK would be taken care of immediately, no question....????

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

That is another subject, mon ami, but any foreigner burned in similar circumstances in the UK would be taken care of immediately, no question....????

Much the same as Thailand.

 

[2009]

So sad.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

Much the same as Thailand.

 

Really, in Thailand I had a detached retina, there was nowhere in Ubon province to fisk it, I had to go on a 500km road trip to a hospital that might be able to fix it, thankfully they did.

 

In 2002 I had the same in the UK, I was operated on that same night.  ????

 

 

 

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, in Thailand I had a detached retina, there was nowhere in Ubon province to fisk it, I had to go on a 500km road trip to a hospital that might be able to fix it, thankfully they did.

 

In 2002 I had the same in the UK, I was operated on that same night.  ????

 

 

 

So your complaint is the local hospitals were not equipped to treat the condition or they refused to do so ?

 

what are you doing to yourself to  have a retina detach multiple times ?

Edited August 14, 2022 by Ralf001

[MikeyIdea]

14 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Only in an emergency would treatment be free for a foreigner. The notion that they'll treat any foreigners chilblains for free is patently false.

Agree, they certainly don't. But they are really cheap. And if you know enough to get to the right place for the job, you get good treatment too. My personal opinion only of course

A few caveats: 1) Smaller things and the big provincial hospital may not be the right place. Often very busy. I've had a few smaller accidents over the years. Sample: Bad service at the big provincial government hospital, got fed up and drove (that hurt...) 20km to a small local government hospital and got 11 stitches and really good service for 200 baht. A private hospital and it would have been 5,000 baht. 2) Few government hospitals are up to treating very severe conditions (note very). I'd say that not even many bigg-ish provincial hospitals can manage 70-80% 3rd degree burns. 3) You need someone to help you (once a day or so) if you're admitted to a government hospital. For the price, I'm Ok with that.

In 31 years in Thailand, speaking more Thai than English most of the time, I have never heard of a government hospital refusing to treat a patient without what I consider to be a valid reason. But I don't expect NHS rules ????

[Ralf001]

53 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said:

Agree, they certainly don't. But they are really cheap. And if you know enough to get to the right place for the job, you get good treatment too. My personal opinion only of course

A few caveats: 1) Smaller things and the big provincial hospital may not be the right place. Often very busy. I've had a few smaller accidents over the years. Sample: Bad service at the big provincial government hospital, got fed up and drove (that hurt...) 20km to a small local government hospital and got 11 stitches and really good service for 200 baht. A private hospital and it would have been 5,000 baht. 2) Few government hospitals are up to treating very severe conditions (note very). I'd say that not even many bigg-ish provincial hospitals can manage 70-80% 3rd degree burns. 3) You need someone to help you (once a day or so) if you're admitted to a government hospital. For the price, I'm Ok with that.

In 31 years in Thailand, speaking more Thai than English most of the time, I have never heard of a government hospital refusing to treat a patient without what I consider to be a valid reason. But I don't expect NHS rules ????

I had a toe that required removal.

As I have health insurance I went to my local private hospital.

After much faffing about (including take my blood pressure) I finally saw a medical professional whom inspected my toe nail, agree'd it needed removal.

I was then escorted to a cashier to make payment before removal, bill total Bt.9,000.

Whilst my insurance covered the cost I felt 9k was taking the <deleted> on a higher level.

I declined and left.

Stopped at a local clinic in my soi, removal done in 10 minutes.... total cost Bt.280, inc free dressing for 7 days.

[MikeyIdea]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

Much the same as Thailand.

 

Personally, I wouldn't want Thailand to be the same as European countries. I'm here because I like the differences.

[Excel]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

I had a toe that required removal.

As I have health insurance I went to my local private hospital.

After much faffing about (including take my blood pressure) I finally saw a medical professional whom inspected my toe nail, agree'd it needed removal.

I was then escorted to a cashier to make payment before removal, bill total Bt.9,000.

Whilst my insurance covered the cost I felt 9k was taking the <deleted> on a higher level.

I declined and left.

Stopped at a local clinic in my soi, removal done in 10 minutes.... total cost Bt.280, inc free dressing for 7 days.

As I have said on other threads the local clinics and government hospitals are good here, predominately there to help and assist people with their needs whereas the private hospitals are primarily there to exploit and maximise profits wherever possible. 

[transam]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

So your complaint is the local hospitals were not equipped to treat the condition or they refused to do so ?

 

what are you doing to yourself to  have a retina detach multiple times ?

I am not complaining, ol' chap, just putting forward suggestions.. ????

Try to open up your gray cells, perhaps a hospital does not have the expertise for some critical conditions...

 

Again, try to open up your gray cells, my family on both sides have a history of blindness.

2002 left eye retina detached, I still have a plastic clip in the back of that eye.

2019/20, had 2 eye lens changed, could not see. The first lens change ended up giving me a detached retina in the right eye, a small risk with lens replacement, I was unlucky..

If it wasn't for modern expertise I would be blind now.

 

2022, fingers crossed all still OK.

 

Any more questions......?   ????

[Ralf001]

Just now, Excel said:

As I have said on other threads the local clinics and government hospitals are good here, predominately there to help and assist people with their needs whereas the private hospitals are primarily there to exploit and maximise profits wherever possible. 

Happy to use both depending on medical reason.

 

Clinics are great, quick and well priced for small issues.

 

 

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I am not complaining, ol' chap, just putting forward suggestions.. ????

Try to open up your gray cells, perhaps a hospital does not have the expertise for some critical conditions...

 

Again, try to open up your gray cells, my family on both sides have a history of blindness.

2002 left eye retina detached, I still have a plastic clip in the back of that eye.

2019/20, had 2 eye lens changed, could not see. The first lens change ended up giving me a detached retina in the right eye, a small risk with lens replacement, I was unlucky..

If it wasn't for modern expertise I would be blind now.

 

2022, fingers crossed all still OK.

 

Any more questions......?   ????

Righto.

 

so you were not refused treatment then as you alluded to.

 

thanks for the long winded reply.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Righto.

 

so you were not refused treatment then as you alluded to.

 

thanks for the long winded reply.

What are you talking about......?   ????

[starky]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Really, in Thailand I had a detached retina, there was nowhere in Ubon province to fisk it, I had to go on a 500km road trip to a hospital that might be able to fix it, thankfully they did.

 

In 2002 I had the same in the UK, I was operated on that same night.  ????

 

 

 

Unfortunately despite much of the faux outrage and shirt tearing we all realise this is part of the reality of living in Thailand. The smarter of us prepare and try to deal with this as best we can. Others wait until too late and then decry something they knew to be true all along. 

[The Fugitive]

1 hour ago, MikeyIdea said:

Personally, I wouldn't want Thailand to be the same as European countries. I'm here because I like the differences.

Agreed! Although I would substitute 'European' with 'English speaking Countries'.

[Neeranam]

Foreigner should have health insurance,  full stop. 

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

Personally, I wouldn't want Thailand to be the same as European countries. I'm here because I like the differences.

To many want to keep the advantages of living in a developing country but seem to think the disadvantages should miraculously disappear. 

[Ralf001]

2 hours ago, starky said:

Unfortunately despite much of the faux outrage and shirt tearing we all realise this is part of the reality of living in Thailand. The smarter of us prepare and try to deal with this as best we can. Others wait until too late and then decry something they knew to be true all along. 

The smarter among us know that not all public hospitals can treat all medical issues.

 

The non smarter whinge they were refused service.

[coolcarer]

5 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

The smarter among us know that not all public hospitals can treat all medical issues.

 

The non smarter whinge they were refused service.

There’s more than 2 camps here, there’s also those of us who stick to the topic and what happened to this Vietnamese girl with 80% burns

[Ralf001]

10 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

There’s more than 2 camps here, there’s also those of us who stick to the topic and what happened to this Vietnamese girl with 80% burns

she ended up in the burns unit at a public hospital..

[coolcarer]

12 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

she ended up in the burns unit at a public hospital..

I know, nothing to do with the post I replied to however

 

32 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

The smarter among us know that not all public hospitals can treat all medical issues.

 

The non smarter whinge they were refused service.

 

[Ralf001]

Just now, coolcarer said:

I know, nothing to do with the post I replied to however

 

 

not sure what your whinge is, can you clarify.

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, coolcarer said:

There’s more than 2 camps here, there’s also those of us who stick to the topic and what happened to this Vietnamese girl with 80% burns

Deflection helps those that show little sympathy for her plight

[starky]

5 hours ago, coolcarer said:

There’s more than 2 camps here, there’s also those of us who stick to the topic and what happened to this Vietnamese girl with 80% burns

What about the 10 Thais with 80% burns that no one gives a fxxk about and ended up in agony waiting at Sirikit? How they doing?