Mountain B fire: Full extent of tragedy hits home in horrific story of Vietnamese lady "Nong Kim"

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Could have gone direct to Bangkok Hospital Rayong, 15km closer.

 

not sure why your butthurt on my insurance status, I now many who seek treatment at Bangkok hospital Pattaya and pay out of pocket because they prefer to self insure.

Have you ever been in a situation where a person who you are with is possibly dying in front of your eyes and a hospital is refusing to treat them ?

[Ralf001]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Have you ever been in a situation where a person who you are with is possibly dying in front of your eyes and a hospital is refusing to treat them ?

You keep harping on about refusal to treat.

 

Which hospital other than the 10 public ones that could not treat due to (I assume) lack of equipment refused to treat this girl ?

[coolcarer]

33 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

My bad for calling a spade a spade but if time was of the essence why go to a private hospital further away.... not to mention visiting 10 public hospitals before getting there.

Your playing whataboutary on a thread like this while the poor girl has suffered 80% burns. Her friend could well have played a part in saving her life. 
 

But why not go the full hog and just say had she not visited an illegal club she would still be alive. 
 

Shameless

[Ralf001]

Just now, coolcarer said:

Your playing whataboutary on a thread like this while the poor girl has suffered 80% burns. Her friend could well have played a part in saving her life. 
 

But why not go the full hog and just say had she not visited an illegal club she would still be alive. 
 

Shameless

To be fair, if the place closed at midnight (as legally required to do so).... This thread would not exist !!

[coolcarer]

5 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

To be fair, if the place closed at midnight (as legally required to do so).... This thread would not exist !!

Since when does a club fire adhere to a past midnight inferno. If you really want to be fair the club was open illegally at all times. That however is just more whataboutary and not exactly a comment that will help the victim for the rest of her life

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, coolcarer said:

Since when does a club fire adhere to a past midnight inferno. If you really want to be fair the club was open illegally at all times. That however is just more whataboutary and not exactly a comment that will help the victim for the rest of her life

Its a very simple concept.

 

closing time is 12am.

 

Fire started at 1am.

 

Am sure you can figure it out.

[Mac Mickmanus]

20 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

You keep harping on about refusal to treat.

 

Which hospital other than the 10 public ones that could not treat due to (I assume) lack of equipment refused to treat this girl ?

You seemed to be saying that the private hospital shouldn't have treated her , reasons seems to be that as you pay for insurance and she didn't have insurance , she shouldnt attend the same hospitals that you would be able to do . 

   Well , I am sure that you will be pleased to know that she has now left the expensive hospital and is now in a cheaper one .

   She quite possibly wont survive this  , but as long as your hospital bed is still reserved for you in a private hospital, that's the important thing 

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Its a very simple concept.

 

closing time is 12am.

 

Fire started at 1am.

 

Am sure you can figure it out.

I’m aware of what time it started but that was hardly my point now was it. Whether it was 1am or 10pm a fire does not care, the club was illegal 24/7 and agin that is pure deflection from your shameless attitude to the girls welfare.

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You seemed to be saying that the private hospital shouldn't have treated her

 

Ive never said that.

[Ralf001]

Just now, coolcarer said:

I’m aware of what time it started but that was hardly my point now was it. Whether it was 1am or 10pm a fire does not care, the club was illegal 24/7 and agin that is pure deflection from your shameless attitude to the girls welfare.

Why are you only concerned with this one girls welfare, you ignoring the rest that were also badly injured speaks volumes as to they type of person you are.

 

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Why are you only concerned with this one girls welfare, you ignoring the rest that were also badly injured speaks volumes as to they type of person you are.

 

actually my concern was your attitude and whataboutary, you may want to check my previous posts on the other threads on this fire and the victims. This one is about one victim in particular who will live the rest of her life scarred and no doubt facing years of corrective surgery.

[Ralf001]

Just now, coolcarer said:

 whataboutary,

Had to google that.

 

Ive learnt a new word, cheers mate.

[starky]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The public hospitals are very basic , they do not have the means to treat people (80-90% burns) with such bad injuries .

Proof? Evidence? Of the 10 we are speaking of or just speculation? Also yet another good argument for having medical insurance. Especially in a country like Thailand. 

[Ralf001]

Just now, starky said:

Proof? Evidence? Of the 10 we are speaking of or just speculation? Also yet another good argument for having medical insurance. Especially in a country like Thailand. 

Mac Flipflopmanus has zero proof or evidence.

[starky]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

Mac Flipflopmanus has zero proof or evidence.

Yeah plenty of flip floppery in this thread. The result would be the same basically world wide. Even if you were treated in a private hospital they would stabilise you then kick you the <deleted> out. Simple. Cruel? Yes. Unjust? Maybe. True? 100%

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, starky said:

Proof? Evidence? Of the 10 we are speaking of or just speculation? Also yet another good argument for having medical insurance. Especially in a country like Thailand. 

Having attended a few local public hospitals and seen that can do just the basic treatment , although the bigger public hospitals can offer a bit more than the smaller ones 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, starky said:

Yeah plenty of flip floppery in this thread. The result would be the same basically world wide. Even if you were treated in a private hospital they would stabilise you then kick you the <deleted> out. Simple. Cruel? Yes. Unjust? Maybe. True? 100%

Some people were complaining that she even got treated in a private hospital , they seemed to be suggesting that she should have been left outside in the car park in agony and left to die 

[starky]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people were complaining that she even got treated in a private hospital , they seemed to be suggesting that she should have been left outside in the car park in agony and left to die 

Oh back to the car park ????????????????????. More unsubstantiated nonsense. She was in a hospital and moved to another one. She was never left in a <deleted> car park. End of.

[starky]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Having attended a few local public hospitals and seen that can do just the basic treatment , although the bigger public hospitals can offer a bit more than the smaller ones 

So that's a No!

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, starky said:

So that's a No!

Well no, I cannot upload my person experiences and what I have seen 

[NanLaew]

Insurance.

 

For all others, there's GoFundMe.

 

There.

 

Sorted.

 

Next?

[transam]

1 hour ago, starky said:

Yeah plenty of flip floppery in this thread. The result would be the same basically world wide. Even if you were treated in a private hospital they would stabilise you then kick you the <deleted> out. Simple. Cruel? Yes. Unjust? Maybe. True? 100%

Not where I come from, the UK, our National Health Service is geared to take care of anyone, anywhere, helicopters at the ready to transfer to any specialist hospital....????

[starky]

42 minutes ago, transam said:

Not where I come from, the UK, our National Health Service is geared to take care of anyone, anywhere, helicopters at the ready to transfer to any specialist hospital....????

One of very few places in the world though as I said. Hardly the point though is it?

[EVENKEEL]

4 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Must have been an excruciating 40km ride for the girl to Bangkok Hospital Pattaya...... Bangkok Hospital Rayong was 15km closer........ How urgent was the help she needed ?

 

Have you traveled through Rayong lately, construction nightmare. 

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Not where I come from, the UK, our National Health Service is geared to take care of anyone, anywhere, helicopters at the ready to transfer to any specialist hospital....????

Only in an emergency would treatment be free for a foreigner. The notion that they'll treat any foreigners chilblains for free is patently false.

[Callmeishmael]

3 hours ago, transam said:

Not where I come from, the UK, our National Health Service is geared to take care of anyone, anywhere, helicopters at the ready to transfer to any specialist hospital....????

Not just the UK, many European countries are the same.  Years ago my mother fell and broke her wrist while on holiday in Italy.  After having her wrist set and put in a cast she went to pay.  The receptionist didn't speak much English so she got the doctor who said, "this isn't America, you don't have to pay for hospital treatment here".

[gk10012001]

How was she staying in Thailand for so long?  Valid visa?  And apparently did not have any medical insurance?  Just asking

[The Fugitive]

3 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

Not just the UK, many European countries are the same.  Years ago my mother fell and broke her wrist while on holiday in Italy.  After having her wrist set and put in a cast she went to pay.  The receptionist didn't speak much English so she got the doctor who said, "this isn't America, you don't have to pay for hospital treatment here".

Nice to hear, thanks for sharing. The treatment would have been regarded as Accident/Emergency and provided free (normally an admin fee of a few Euros only). 

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people were complaining that she even got treated in a private hospital , they seemed to be suggesting that she should have been left outside in the car park in agony and left to die 

Really? Since they were able to come up with the required money (50,000 baht deposit) I do not understand anyone having an issue with her treatment. 

[Ralf001]

16 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people were complaining that she even got treated in a private hospital , they seemed to be suggesting that she should have been left outside in the car park in agony and left to die 

Which people were complaining ?

 

and the carpark thing again 555 !!