Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

[Walker88]

36 minutes ago, Tanlic said:

As a Brit on the outside looking in I find it amazing how low the standars of education are in the USA and how easily led their people are. 

Joe Biden sits in a bunker eating ice cream and wins their elction beating a President who has done more good in 4 years than any other in history.

 

 

I'm going to argue that US education standards are infinitely superior to Britain.

 

You, a Brit, wrote: 45 'did more good in 4 years than any other in history' (sic)

 

Q.E.D.

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

A US congresswoman has submitted a motion to remove

the attorney general from office over the Trump house search.

The stink of Democrat corruption is too much for one woman.

A few here responded jovially to your post so I guess they love their Democrat corruption.

[Bkk Brian]

49 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Gladly.

https://aseannow.com/terms/

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I'm going to argue that US education standards are infinitely superior to Britain.

 

You, a Brit, wrote: 45 'did more good in 4 years than any other in history' (sic)

 

Q.E.D.

You don't have to be an American, like me, to recognise accomplishments.  Or corruption.

[LosLobo]

16 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

A US congresswoman has submitted a motion to remove

the attorney general from office over the Trump house search.

The stink of Democrat corruption is too much for one woman.

You seem reticent to post any supporting evidence for this claim.

Would it be because the person in question also believes that bushfires are caused by Jewish lasers?

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

https://aseannow.com/terms/

Now I know what Trump feels like. 

[candide]

23 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

A US congresswoman has submitted a motion to remove

the attorney general from office over the Trump house search.

The stink of Democrat corruption is too much for one woman.

And the Congresswomen is.... Marjorie Taylor Greene! ????

Equally laughable is that when one tries to copy your statement, this URL comes up! ????????????????

https://www.rt.com/news/560754-us-impeachment-attorney-general/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Email

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by candide

[LosLobo]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Now I know what Trump feels like. 

What that any laws or rules shouldn't apply?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Now I know what Trump feels like. 

Well spitting his dummy out often then I guess you would

[xylophone]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Are you aware that the Representative being referred to is Marjorie Taylor Greene?  The whacko conspiracy theory fan who suggested that California wildfires might have been started by Jewish space lasers?   https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-jewish-space-laser-mockery-1565325

 

The laughing emojis were because those who know about her expected a nonsensical response from her.

MTG is a screaming far right nutjob and the fact that she is in the house of Representatives speaks volumes about the mental state of the people who put her there.

[heybruce]

The Trump defenders seem to have been reduced to whattaboutism diversions and speculating that the lack of formal charges at this time suggests something....I'm not sure what.

 

To briefly summarize why Trump has not been charged yet, I offer:

 

Trump is not a flight risk.  Not because he is above that sort of thing, but because it would be difficult to get away with it.

 

The investigation is still ongoing.  I assume that the documents seized are being carefully inspected and cross-referenced with a list of missing documents to make sure nothing is missing.  I would not be surprised if there are still missing documents.  I also assume that some attempt is being made to determine who had access to these documents and if any copies were made.

 

Once the investigation is finished, whatever action is decided upon will be conducted with exceptional care to ensure it is done legally.

 

There's no hurry.

 

I can't offer anything to dissuade the diversion posts.

Edited August 14, 2022 by heybruce

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

A US congresswoman has submitted a motion to remove

the attorney general from office over the Trump house search.

The stink of Democrat corruption is too much for one woman.

We all know what you want though don't we...

 

Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is facing intense backlash for indicating support for political violence and pushing wild conspiracy theories and extreme anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic comments before she was elected to Congress.

The House voted Thursday evening to remove Greene from her committee assignments. On Wednesday, GOP House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and the Republican Conference declined to take action against the freshman Republican for her violent endorsements and incendiary comments.

 

[newnative]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Nonsense, Pence was not "almost hanged"...Jesus...

Correct.   Trump only said Pence 'deserves' to be hanged because he disobeyed his asinine, unhinged order to break the law for him.  That's sooo much better, innit?

[ballpoint]

This whole sordid business also provides further insight into just why Putin went to so much trouble to get Trump elected.  Not only with the goal of undermining Western values, and trade and military alliances, but the ultimate spying prize.  Forget about Burgess, Maclean, Philby and the head of MI6.  Installing ones mole as president of the USA trumps (no pun intended) the lot.  The money he had to pay for a new set of sheets and a few blank DVDs must go down as one of the greatest bargains in history.  The signs have been there for a while, the late John le Carré had it figured out in 2019:

“You know what Trump is?’ ‘Tell me.’ ‘He’s Putin’s s***house cleaner. He does everything for little Vladi that little Vladi can’t do for himself: p***es on European unity, p***es on human rights, p***es on NATO. Assures us that Crimea and Ukraine belong to the Holy Russian Empire, the Middle East belongs to the Jews and the Saudis, and to hell with the world order.”

― John le Carré, Agent Running in the Field.

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46 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

You seem reticent to post any supporting evidence for this claim.

Would it be because the person in question also believes that bushfires are caused by Jewish lasers?

Actually it was a rant that included the Rothschilds but didn't specifically single out Jews. That said, she did link to a video that said Zionist Supremacists are promoting mass migration of nonwhites into primariy white countries in order to promote miscegenation.  Also she supported QAnon, Muslims don't belong in govt, 9/11 was an inside job, shooting at sandy hook, parkland, and Las Vegas were staged, and of course top level Democratic politicians should be executed.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html

[Tippaporn]

44 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Better do some research, I can not give you specific cases as they are not for public purview unless a Public Records act is filed.  You can believe what you want, but I myself as a supervising manager authorized many O.R. Releases to family or friends depending on the situation and always after a Blood/Urine/Breath sample was obtained and as long as the individual was cooperative.  If not then they went straight to jail.

In this day and age where DAs decide what laws they will enforce or not I don't doubt you, ThailandRyan.  That America is descending into chaos is not an argument I would take the opposing side on.   Still, it would be interesting to know where O.R. Releases are taking place in the country.  My assumption, and I could be wrong, is that it's in major urban areas.  I give you credit here.

[metisdead]

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[Walker88]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

A few here responded jovially to your post so I guess they love their Democrat corruption.

I appreciate you are too deep sniffing the vapors of the Fever Swamps to even begin to understand the recklessness of 45. So brain addled is your thinking that you call 'doing your job' corruption.

 

45 had ZERO right to the docs he kept.

His counsel/he LIED in a signed affadavit in June claiming they had returned everything. That is intent to deceive and can form the basis for charging him with "conspiracy to commit espionage".

 

It would have been a gross dereliction of duty for the AG NOT to get a warrant and seize the docs 45 lied about. There is more to come.

 

The US is a democracy that operates by the rule of law. You and the Drooling Goobers of 45's cult seem to hate everything upon which the US is based. You are traitors to US ideals. You are fascists who despise democracy and prefer autocracy.

 

You lose. US wins.

Edited August 14, 2022 by Walker88

[Bkk Brian]

Desperation now setting in. Lets get rid of the Espionage Act, wouldn't that be handy, the very act Trump is being investigated for, Paul Rand today on twitter. 

 

"The espionage act was abused from the beginning to jail dissenters of WWI. It is long past time to repeal this egregious affront to the 1st Amendment. Repeal the Espionage Act – The Future of Freedom Foundation"

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In this day and age where DAs decide what laws they will enforce or not I don't doubt you, ThailandRyan.  That America is descending into chaos is not an argument I would take the opposing side on.   Still, it would be interesting to know where O.R. Releases are taking place in the country.  My assumption, and I could be wrong, is that it's in major urban areas.  I give you credit here.

Selective enforcement of the law is not something new:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement

[baboon]

2 hours ago, Tanlic said:

As a Brit on the outside looking in I find it amazing how low the standars of education are in the USA and how easily led their people are. 

Joe Biden sits in a bunker eating ice cream and wins their elction beating a President who has done more good in 4 years than any other in history.

 

Trump did get silly saying the elction was rigged which it was but not in the way he was sying it happened. The left's constant barage of lies, hoaxes by the media and fake impeachments convinced the dumbest of the dumb Trump was some kind of monster.

 

The power of the left came to the fore and  the dumbest ice cream eating clown emerged from his bunker to become POTUS. His forst task was to reverse evey bit of good Trump had done and to hell with the consequences. The result the worst economy in history, first American soldiers in 4 years are killed. Putin says Yipee and invades the Ukraine and Rocket man starts playing with his toys again. The ordinary man on the street can hardly pay his bills or fill his car with fuel and Biden's leadership has hit everone in the pocket from Kansas to katchanaburi.

 

SureTrump tells lies like all politicians to try nad sustain support but he's not a crook like Biden or that criminal son of his. Like Hillary and the deletion of 36,000 emails that had been subpoenaed they are untouchable. Trump on the other hand they can't allow him tobecome President again so they come up with yet another witch hunt. Never mind the fact he had the poer to declassify every piece of paper he had the right to remove from the whitehouse. They are looking for affect in the most underhanded move againt an ex President in history.

 

Guess what American Hard Lefties? Their banana republic behaviour is not going to work this time. Apart from Trump being hit by a bolt of ligtning the Trump De Santis avalanche is heading your way at a million miles per hour.

What an awfully long-winded way of saying 'Anyone to the left of politics is undereducated and easily led.'

The rest was just howling at the moon.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Tanlic said:

As a Brit on the outside looking in I find it amazing how low the standars of education are in the USA and how easily led their people are. 

Joe Biden sits in a bunker eating ice cream and wins their elction beating a President who has done more good in 4 years than any other in history.

 

Trump did get silly saying the elction was rigged which it was but not in the way he was sying it happened. The left's constant barage of lies, hoaxes by the media and fake impeachments convinced the dumbest of the dumb Trump was some kind of monster.

 

The power of the left came to the fore and  the dumbest ice cream eating clown emerged from his bunker to become POTUS. His forst task was to reverse evey bit of good Trump had done and to hell with the consequences. The result the worst economy in history, first American soldiers in 4 years are killed. Putin says Yipee and invades the Ukraine and Rocket man starts playing with his toys again. The ordinary man on the street can hardly pay his bills or fill his car with fuel and Biden's leadership has hit everone in the pocket from Kansas to katchanaburi.

 

SureTrump tells lies like all politicians to try nad sustain support but he's not a crook like Biden or that criminal son of his. Like Hillary and the deletion of 36,000 emails that had been subpoenaed they are untouchable. Trump on the other hand they can't allow him tobecome President again so they come up with yet another witch hunt. Never mind the fact he had the poer to declassify every piece of paper he had the right to remove from the whitehouse. They are looking for affect in the most underhanded move againt an ex President in history.

 

Guess what American Hard Lefties? Their banana republic behaviour is not going to work this time. Apart from Trump being hit by a bolt of ligtning the Trump De Santis avalanche is heading your way at a million miles per hour.

In your defense, you’re a ‘Brit’, you have a reasonable excuse for not knowing the first thing about what’s going on in US politics.

 

I suggest you make best use of that excuse and stop embarrassing yourself.

 

But of course if that’s your intention, feel free to ‘carry on regardless’.

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In your defense, you’re a ‘Brit’, you have a reasonable excuse for not knowing the first thing about what’s going on in US politics.

 

I suggest you make best use of that excuse and stop embarrassing yourself.

 

But of course if that’s your intention, feel free to ‘carry on regardless’.

I believe his grasp of things is spot on.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I believe his grasp of things is spot on.

He’s probably getting them from the same source that you get yours.

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I appreciate you are too deep sniffing the vapors of the Fever Swamps to even begin to understand the recklessness of 45. So brain addled is your thinking that you call 'doing your job' corruption.

 

45 had ZERO right to the docs he kept.

His counsel/he LIED in a signed affadavit in June claiming they had returned everything. That is intent to deceive and can form the basis for charging him with "conspiracy to commit espionage".

 

It would have been a gross dereliction of duty for the AG NOT to get a warrant and seize the docs 45 lied about. There is more to come.

 

The US is a democracy that operates by the rule of law. You and the Drooling Goobers of 45's cult seem to hate everything upon which the US is based. You are traitors to US ideals. You are fascists who despise democracy and prefer autocracy.

 

You lose. US wins.

I'll give you kudos for your passionate beliefs.

"45 had ZERO right to the docs he kept."

You have no way of knowing that with the certainty you express.  That much is obvious to anyone who is looking at this objectively.

"His counsel/he LIED in a signed affadavit in June claiming they had returned everything. That is intent to deceive and can form the basis for charging him with "conspiracy to commit espionage".

Again, you have zero personal knowledge of all of the details regarding whatever Trump transferred back or any of the disputes and talks between Trump and government agencies in the whole.

What you do have so far is a one-sided story put out by a media who has clearly shown they are propagandists.  And the narrative fits like a glove on your Trumpian bias.

The U.S. is not a democracy.  It's a Republic.  That you get this elemental fact wrong suggests you may be wrong about much else.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

I'll give you kudos for your passionate beliefs.

"45 had ZERO right to the docs he kept."

You have no way of knowing that with the certainty you express.  That much is obvious to anyone who is looking at this objectively.

"His counsel/he LIED in a signed affadavit in June claiming they had returned everything. That is intent to deceive and can form the basis for charging him with "conspiracy to commit espionage".

Again, you have zero personal knowledge of all of the details regarding whatever Trump transferred back or any of the disputes and talks between Trump and government agencies in the whole.

What you do have so far is a one-sided story put out by a media who has clearly shown they are propagandists.  And the narrative fits like a glove on your Trumpian bias.

The U.S. is not a democracy.  It's a Republic.  That you get this elemental fact wrong suggests you may be wrong about much else.

You forget, it wasn’t ’the media’ that put this story out.

 

It was Trump.

 

Tge first anyone not directly involved in any of this heard about it was when Trump went public.

[spidermike007]

7 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

Its interesting to read the comments herein on this latest Trumpian debacle.

 

I write here as a long experienced mental health clinician out of a deep concern for the American people and indeed for the world.

I do not write these words to pass the time or to hear myself I write with the gravest of clinical intent.

 

Watching the utube and facebook feeds from across the news (world and US) both mainstream and podcast/online is also horrifying and fascinating at the same time.

Thankfully as one legal commentator put it succinctly ; 'Trump is playing checkers and Garland is playing Master level chess'.

 

The responses from the right has/is generally speaking horrific, with some infrequent exceptions e.g. Mr Doocy on Fox and Friends calling out a seditionist big-liar senator (excuse me I forgot his name).

From the left (or perhaps more 'centralist' is a less propagandist and realistic nomenclature) has mostly been less hysterical and for the majority of feeds based in fact and legal truth.

I have seen some sensationalist and over-reach by some 'so-called' leftist fake media' (MAGA label) reporters but by-and-large there seems to have been little cult-like process in the mainstream.

 

If one were to NOT listen to the plethora of actual security, highest level ex-government agency bosses, constitutional and security legal senior (many lifelong Republicans serving multiple Republican Presidents) experts interviewed who have ACTUALLY held positions dealing with and completely cognisant with these very types of docs, the specific rigid defined procedures in their handing etc, and the laws pertaining to same, but only listen to extremely compromised people such as McCarthy, and the rest of the usual group of politician sycophant suspects. All buoyed up and complicit with the constant loudspeaker drone of Fox and other anarchy propagandist outlets. Then it is understandable and predictable how many gorge themselves on such poison and dwell in delusion, thus moving inexorably towards the edges of their own sanity.

Lots of people ask the question how come the Fascist right under Trump is so ignorant and narrow and yet so cunning and successful?

The answer is deep yet simple.

 

 

The downfall of those like Trump is always self-constructed so to those who say its 'the others' who are bringing him down like the rest of Republican Party/MAGA delusional view of him; You've lost your capacity to see reality and are simply lost in your own and a mass-delusion that grips MAGA.

 

For those not utterly lost in the mass psychosis (which for some is so intense and all-pervading as to qualify as actual mental illness) the echo-chamber of what-is-the-now seditionist, completely compromised, democracy threatening Republican right, the obscenity that is this now that Party, excuse me 'cult' is starkly, plainly seen. 

 

In am in agreement with some of those Masters of American history, politics, sociology, a hundred ps psychiatrists and law who have spoken i.e. The United States is facing, and approaching, in present time, the precipice of survival or dissolution either by open civil war or such polarised bitter institutionalised sabotage and obstructionism as to crumble brick by brick imminent and eminently prosecuted right-wing hoped for and worked towards alternative demise.

 

Trump is without doubt a severely disturbed man and due to his obvious ultra-toxic pathology a threat to anyone and anything he has contact with ... Anyone except extremely skilled psychiatric carers.

 

People like McConnell and McCarthy may think they are using Trump to satiate their own (below stated) perversions but they too are not only willing co-creators, but dupes to Trumps destructive pathology.   

The obvious toxic primers to Trumps very being is totally lost on those who are themselves lost 'in' him because they too are in many parts exactly like him.

 

This handing over of the self to another in the case of MAGA and the Republican Party to Trump is predicated on a recognition by these folks in Trump of what is in them i.e. xenophobia, racism, anti-semitism, misogyny, fear of never-enough, greed, lust for power, and insatiable need for more and more, sadism, masochism, rage, neurotic needs around control, and a shopping-list of other neuroses, repressions and suppressions.

 

The speaking of (out aloud now) of the annihilation of those seen as 'the other' is a culture and world destroying regression (Trump has lived his entire life driven by this co-foundational premise).

The sycophancy we witness is not explained away as simple political expediency, it is in the case of many Republican politicians these same basest of human perversion in them.

For MAGA Trump IS their 'vehicle' their 'saviour' from that which is externalised, the figurehead, the 'open valve' if you will to finally project without further subtly or subterfuge dark anti-humane beliefs. 

The history of fascism in the US is well documented, real, and historical truth. It is NOT a creation of a 'new-now fake-media', not a propaganda lie of the left it is real.

 

This entity, this phenomena was alive, powerful (influenced and helped drive the isolationist posture of the US pre-WWII) is without any shadow of doubt seeing a resurgence today.

Equally sure is that Trump and the neo-Gobbel's, Eichmann's, Himmler's, quasi-fool Hess's, Bormann's, Goerings, Mengele's and Heydrich's are before us today in politics, on national tv and podcasts, smashing their way into Congress, and marching with torches. All are preaching annihilation of 'the other' to tens of millions of cult-lost people.

 

If you are one who believes Trump to be a good person, to have spoken truthfully, to be a victim, to be the 'saviour' for the US people then I implore you to seek clinical help immediately.

Thank you. I was living in NYC during the 1980's, and saw even back then, how he refused to pay his small contractors for a job well done. He has been building a fortune based on crime, deceit, and the misfortune of others, for believing in him, for decades now. 

 

And now he continues to mislead his followers, in a rather horrendous and dangerous fashion. You have succinctly described the mindset required to buy into his nonsense and delusion. 

 

I do think America is at a place right now, that can be equated with the place Western Rome was at, in the second half of the 5th century AD. The fall of the empire is imminent. Civil War is being stoked. Hatred and division is being formented. Being a divider is ugly and hateful, but is has served Trump well. Personally, I hope he gets locked up. He richly deserves that. 

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

I see, so like many others on this Forum , you seem to have your mind made up, that he is guilty, of what?

So you don't believe in Due Process?

 

I do believe in due process. I also believe the system is rigged. And that the chances of an ex prez being charged and jailed are very low. I hope I am wrong. His guilt was never in doubt. That is just who he is, and how he rolls. 

[Tippaporn]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Selective enforcement of the law is not something new:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement

On a case by case basis, yes.  But not across the board.  That's when a DA takes it upon himself or herself to thumb his or her nose at the legislature which passed the laws the DA is sworn to uphold but then refuses to enforce.

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I'll give you kudos for your passionate beliefs.

"45 had ZERO right to the docs he kept."

You have no way of knowing that with the certainty you express.  That much is obvious to anyone who is looking at this objectively.

"His counsel/he LIED in a signed affadavit in June claiming they had returned everything. That is intent to deceive and can form the basis for charging him with "conspiracy to commit espionage".

Again, you have zero personal knowledge of all of the details regarding whatever Trump transferred back or any of the disputes and talks between Trump and government agencies in the whole.

What you do have so far is a one-sided story put out by a media who has clearly shown they are propagandists.  And the narrative fits like a glove on your Trumpian bias.

The U.S. is not a democracy.  It's a Republic.  That you get this elemental fact wrong suggests you may be wrong about much else.

It is a Consituational Federal Republic often miscategorized as a Republic or Democracy.