Special Feature: What happens when a foreigner dies in Thailand???

[Thai Visa Member 999999]

16 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

You get cremated or buried, same as any other country.

No chance of the crocodile farm, huh?

[Wuvu2]

7 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

Can I get back to you on that?

Sure. I've got the rest of my life to figure it out ????

[hotchilli]

4 minutes ago, Thai Visa Member 999999 said:

No chance of the crocodile farm, huh?

Only if you fall-out with someone.

Then it's the croc farm or a barrel filled with concrete.

[Old Croc]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

Point taken, however each to their own. I have no surviving family whatever in my birth country, last one died nearly 20 years ago and I didn't have close contact with any of them when they were alive.

 

Thailand became my home decades ago, with my caring Thai family, and I got Thai PR 25 years ago.

 

I'm very relaxed to end it all in Thailand with my loving Thai family beside me, and knowing they will take care that the cremation will be properly organized etc., all details well discussed years ago.

 

But of course horses for courses. 

No angels in Thailand to guide you beyond the rainbow. They all hang out in America.

[Reigntax]

5 hours ago, wombat said:

My take on me dieing in LOS is I become someone else's problem.

And whatever does happen, you are unlikely to complain…. Or care by that stage!!

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

It's an example of the processes involved, the combat's veterans name isn't even mentioned. Just makes me wonder how different to other nationalities dying

Procedure up until the end of the OP's first installment is identical, it's dictated by law, irrespective of nationality...

Discovery of the individual, notification to police, hospital, death certification, notification to the Embassy, postmortem, liaison between the Embassy and family, deep analysis by Thaivisa posters.

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, KIngsofisaan said:

Don't like it don't read it

Pretty simple

I am not the one writing these trolling articles

You're sailing a little close to the wind with that comment!

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, KIngsofisaan said:

How did the Thai owners of the hotel know he was a US Navy Combat Veteran and discover the American Legion in Pattaya upon his death?

They didn't.  Read the link where all is explained.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, grain said:

I made a will with Thai lawyers that covers my Thailand assets, and names my Thai partner as the sole beneficiary. Would she qualify as NOK in Thailand? And if not is there some way to legally make her my NOK

No, she would not be and, in the absence of marriage, could not be.  Next of kin are one's closes living relative(s).

[d4dang]

2 hours ago, Wuvu2 said:

So what happens if you die here without any family or friends? Lets say my condo staff follows the smell and finds me bloated on the sofa, surrounded by Indian Viagra knockoffs and empty bottles of jack Daniels. What then?

they  will pay their respects....search for more Jack hoping to find Johnny Black....secure all cash and valuables...secure and move them to a secure location....light candles and pray...after police interrogation and clearance....sign your praises....party lamenting farung kenieow my me rot me Rolek my me motocye...BUT farung me mia yeuh yaa...suwaiye dooayh.....cheapskate foreigner had so many wives...some real hotties

a fine way to leave the LOS

 

 

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, Wuvu2 said:

So what happens if you die here without any family or friends? Lets say my condo staff follows the smell and finds me bloated on the sofa, surrounded by Indian Viagra knockoffs and empty bottles of jack Daniels. What then?

Exactly the same procedure; let your Embassy worry about it, you sure won't be.

[scorecard]

29 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, she would not be and, in the absence of marriage, could not be.  Next of kin are one's closes living relative(s).

 

My lawyer has a different take on NOK.

 

She says; i'm many cases it would be the wife or the son, or father etc., but the law doesn't say it has to be the wife etc.

 

She says NOK can be whoever the person wants to nominate. 

 

On hearing all this my Oz buddy appraoched the same lawyer and asked if he could make a written statement saying that his long-term live-in Thai gf is his NOK?

 

Answer "YES, but best to get such statement written very clearly and signed and witnessed by 2 adults (Thai or farang) and include the full details of the witnesses (full name, ID card / passport number, address, D.O.B., etc.)."

 

Lawyer's further comment; the law does not make it compulsory for the wife, father, son etc., to be thr NOK because the law recognizes that there can be situations where the person involved doesn't have good or perhaps any relationship at all with a blood family member. And further the person's own wishes/desires must be respected.   

 

[Excel]

5 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

My lawyer has a different take on NOK.

 

She says; i'm many cases it would be the wife or the son, or father etc., but the law doesn't say it has to be the wife etc.

 

She says NOK can be whoever the person wants to nominate. 

 

On hearing all this my Oz buddy appraoched the same lawyer and asked if he could make a written statement saying that his long-term live-in Thai gf is his NOK?

 

Answer "YES, but best to get such statement written very clearly and signed and witnessed by 2 adults (Thai or farang) and include the full details of the witnesses (full name, ID card / passport number, address, D.O.B., etc.)."

 

Lawyer's further comment; the law does not make it compulsory for the wife, father, son etc., to be thr NOK because the law recognizes that there can be situations where the person involved doesn't have good or perhaps any relationship at all with a blood family member. And further the person's own wishes/desires must be respected.   

 

This may help to clarify;

 

https://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/civil-and-commercial-code-statutory-heirs-section-1635-1638/

[IvorBiggun2]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

On average one US citizen passes away in Thailand. ONE a day.

 

Someone's got their figures wrong.

 

Quote

Most common places to die
The most recent 12-month period (July 2014 to June 2015) in the database confirms that Mexico remains the most popular place to visit, and the most common place for Americans to die (228). Thailand, however, emerged in second place with 35 U.S. deaths. Of those, however, 12 were due to suicide and 10 were specifically due to motorcycles. 

https://time.com/4250811/travel-safety/

[scorecard]

9 minutes ago, Excel said:

This may help to clarify;

 

https://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/civil-and-commercial-code-statutory-heirs-section-1635-1638/

Sure, but let's keep in mind that there's 2 situations:

 

1. The person dies intestate (NO WILL), then the national law dictates who is/Are the benficiciaries, %'s etc. Basically as set out in the document posted just above from Siam Legal.

 

2. The person DOES make a valid will - in which case the person can nominte whoever they wish to be (or not be) a beheficiary. In this case the relatives (becaue theyare legally related to the person) nor the laws (as above) cannot override the wishes of the person making the will. Totally up to the person making the will. 

[scorecard]

21 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

My lawyer has a different take on NOK.

 

She says; i'm many cases it would be the wife or the son, or father etc., but the law doesn't say it has to be the wife etc.

 

She says NOK can be whoever the person wants to nominate. 

 

On hearing all this my Oz buddy appraoched the same lawyer and asked if he could make a written statement saying that his long-term live-in Thai gf is his NOK?

 

Answer "YES, but best to get such statement written very clearly and signed and witnessed by 2 adults (Thai or farang) and include the full details of the witnesses (full name, ID card / passport number, address, D.O.B., etc.)."

 

Lawyer's further comment; the law does not make it compulsory for the wife, father, son etc., to be thr NOK because the law recognizes that there can be situations where the person involved doesn't have good or perhaps any relationship at all with a blood family member. And further the person's own wishes/desires must be respected.   

 

 

[Wuvu2]

4 hours ago, MrMuddle said:

It's always been like this, in the TV/AN forums. The folks that deal with Visa problems are excellent, as are several other leaders of the various sub forums, but a lot of the members are way too opinionated, and self righteous. For some reason Thailand, and knowledge of it, seems to brings out the worst in them. The modern keyboard warrior mode of many is also sadly, a contributing factor. I've found a good "rule of thumb", is to check how many posts a person has made. If it's a huge amount, (mods excepted obviously), then usually that person seems to exist purely to cause chaos on here.

I'm looking forward to seeing the replies to this, as I can guarantee I won't be able to read most of them, as they will already be on my ignore list. lol
Seriously, why spend your days being as obnoxious as you can to others, in the forums on here, or trying to wind others up? 

A word count limiter would be great na ????

[Gottfrid]

4 hours ago, MrMuddle said:

Seriously, why spend your days being as obnoxious as you can to others, in the forums on here, or trying to wind others up?

Spend days? Really? It actually much easier to wind up people then you seem to think. ????

[VBF]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Exactly the same procedure; let your Embassy worry about it, you sure won't be.

So here's a different take on it:

 

Someone like me who is single, lives in UK and spends 3-6 months in Thailand as a tourist dies while in Thailand

I have all the documents sorted out in UK, Will, Executrix appointed, so if I die in UK it's pretty simple.

I have NO religion, when I'm dead, just cremate and forget. (I've actually given her the option of donating my body to Science if she wishes)

I have told my Executrix that on no account should she waste money and effort getting my dead body back to UK but under UK law there must be a Death Certificate for Probate to be enacted. I'd hate my home and other assets to be locked up for ever due to lack of Probate

 

I wonder what would happen there. Would the Embassy at least obtain a DC?

Anyone know?

[grain]

2 hours ago, Headgame said:

Not NOK but doesn't matter since your will leaves all your Thai assets to your partner and hopefully she is also your executor.

I am in the same situation and this thread highlights how critically important it is to have a Thai will. Eliminates 90% of the issues discussed here.

So in my situation (as you are too) our Thai partners can legally handle all the issues of getting the legal docs to release the bodies for the temples? No need to involve family NOKs back in farangland?

[Will B Good]

What happens?

 

They are revived, tattooed, issued with large tacky looking gold chains......and sent off to live in Pattaya.

[Excel]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

What happens?

 

They are revived, tattooed, issued with large tacky looking gold chains......and sent off to live in Pattaya.

With the large tacky looking gold chains subsequently stolen by lady boys ????

[garzhe]

The police officer in the meantime continues with his investigation. He searches through the personal possessions to establish an ID of the individual.  He secures the veteran’s possessions and takes them to the police station to begin his task.

 

Hmmm !

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, connda said:

That's rather jingoistic.  Well - then don't leave your own country because if you do?  There is always the chance you'll die while traveling. 

Or perhaps his spirits will prevent / block him from dying when he's outside his 'home' country. Maybe his spirits will:

 

- Prevent a serious accident.

- Instruct his heart to NOT stop. 

[Liverpool Lou]

32 minutes ago, VBF said:

I wonder what would happen there. Would the Embassy at least obtain a DC?

Yes.  A death certificate has to be issued, and will be, if your death is reported here.   The police will inform the Embassy which has the responsibility of informing any family in the UK.  The Embassy will have access to the death certificate.  

[Ddbanksy]

10 hours ago, KIngsofisaan said:

I care about people I know and love dying.

 

Are there any facts that 1 US citizen dies everday in Thailand?

 

Will I read a 4 part story into how a veteran died, as told by the American Legion Post?

 

Absolutely not.

 

How I die in Isaan won't be a 4 part story, won't be hailed by the American Legion

 

It will be quite simple reason

 

Up in Smoke with Cheech and Chong in the local temple

 

It won't make the news

 

Think that's what most of "us" people have chosen this way brother

[tandor]

6 hours ago, JimTripper said:

I don't have any children and I would not necessarily want my next of kin making any arrangements.

...so you reckon Thailand should just pick up the tab...i call that being ultra irresponsible.

[Ddbanksy]

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Procedure up until the end of the OP's first installment is identical, it's dictated by law, irrespective of nationality...

Discovery of the individual, notification to police, hospital, death certification, notification to the Embassy, postmortem, liaison between the Embassy and family, deep analysis by Thaivisa posters.

Well said,that'll quell the rummers!

[3NUMBAS]

at that rate for other expats there wont be many brits left alive in issan in a few years

[Ddbanksy]

Just now, tandor said:

...so you reckon Thailand should just pick up the tab...i call that being ultra irresponsible.

Thai Family responsibility....remember all them past Funerals....Temple,Grandpa & Grandma,Papa Mama,Aunty & Uncle,Children,School,Uni,Cousin,buffalo & holiday...etc...oh! & lucky number things.

 Yes? Well its its your turn now,thanks a lot