Might This End the Tattoo Fad?

[pacovl46]

10 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Now there is 3D Tattooing

Yeah, now if that isn't art then what is?! Do yourself a favor and Google 3D black and gray Greek God tattoo! 

[pacovl46]

12 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The vast majority of tatts are 'art' like tigers painted on black velvet or dogs playing poker are art, despite coming 'a loooooong way'. They aren't the Pieta. What makes true art special is its uniqueness as well as the skill involved in imagining/creating it. There was one Michelangelo; within a ten minute walk from my condo there are twenty tatt shops, all producing the same banal stuff. Also, get tired of a painting and one can simply remove it. Tatts, or their scars, are forever.

 

Yes, to each his own. I suspect lots of folks got caught in the fad and will come to wish they never inked up once the fad goes away or the person ages and the tatt migrates due to sagging skin. Now seeing that the inking itself is carcinogenic just makes it worse. Is a fad worth dying for? Maybe for some it is.

Just because you don't like most tattoos doesn't mean they're not art. Having said that, the really good artists that do the great stuff are like 600+ bucks an hour and not everyone has that kind of cash, so they go with what they can afford. 

 

Also, the tats you're referring to are not representative of what is possible today. You'd be amazed!!!

 

By the way, Chinese and Japanese art looks very much like tattoos because that's where the Chinese and Japanese tattoos got their style from. You wouldn't find anyone, besides yourself maybe, who wouldn't consider that art.

Edited August 27, 2022 by pacovl46

[The Hammer2021]

19 hours ago, Walker88 said:

And having the heart pulled out of your 6 year old daughter had religious and spiritual significance to Aztecs. Gods, however, are a foolish superstition, so whatever done on 'their' behalf is a colossal waste of time and effort, and offers nothing except it feeds silly beliefs.

 

Tattoos are absolutely a fad in most societies now, far removed even from their superstition. Ten years ago, few Thai women had tatts. Maybe some had the usual left shoulder tatt, but most had clean skin. That they don't now = fad. Fads, die off. In five years people will be embarrassed that got Maori warrior tatts or tribal tatts, of "F U" tatts.

Just  because you make assertions about Tattoos  based on your prejudices  does not make your assertions  true or accurate. Silly  comments about ripping out children's hearts being a comparable 'fad' to body art could be considered  ridiculous.

The culture of Tattoos  in Thai  and Khymer culture  predate your existence and will out live your existence.

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, pacovl46 said:

Just because you don't like most tattoos doesn't mean they're not art. Having said that, the really good artists that do the great stuff are like 600+ bucks an hour and not everyone has that kind of cash, so they go with what they can afford. 

 

Also, the tats you're referring to are not representative of what is possible today. You'd be amazed!!!

 

By the way, Chinese and Japanese art looks very much like tattoos because that's where the Chinese and Japanese tattoos got their style from. You wouldn't find anyone, besides yourself maybe, who wouldn't consider that art.

Whereas British tattoos originating in the navy/ merchant  marine tradition were to enable corpses lost at sea to be identified and the gold ring in the mariner's ear  to pay for  a Christian  burial.

[mikebike]

13 hours ago, jesimps said:

I still don't know why I got mine, I was young and in the army and probably wanted to go with the flow at the time. Alcohol also played a large part in it.
At 78 I guess it's too late to worry about it now.

But wait. You got your tats 55-60 years ago! How can that even be true? Its a FAD remember? Like mohawks and rainbow dyed hair.

 

Walker, how could this FAD be getting stronger 55-60 yrs after Jes got his batch of ink?

Edited August 27, 2022 by mikebike

[Damrongsak]

Here is a good use of tattoos.  The lady has Vitiligo, a disease that causes loss of skin color (Melanin), usually in patches.  (I have it, but nearly 100%.)  The second pic is a model who has it. 

 

 

[Walker88]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

You should have the guts to tell your tattooed "friends" 

Why should I upset them? Most of them already regret getting tatts, so why rub salt in the wounds?

 

Is isn't 'guts' that stops me; it's trying to be polite.

 

Your comment is silly.

 

For people who think their tatts look good, it they ask, I tell them tatts aren't for me and I don't think they make anyone look better. For people who already regret what they did, I remain quiet. No point in telling them what they already know full well.

 

Edited August 27, 2022 by Walker88

[richard_smith237]

10 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Absolutely true.

 

It's also absolutely true that we all have opinions and we are allowed to express them. You are welcome to disagree.

 

By the way, I'm also not fond of guys who look 8 months pregnant because they lack the discipline or self control to take care of the one body they get, and with which they can do whatever they want. I'm a nasty, opinionated SOB.

 

Now this might come as a surprise, but I have met many people who wonder what the heck they were thinking when they inked up. One has a large middle finger salute on her tricep. Another has "F U" spelled out in full on her hamstrings. A third has a gun on her belly pointing to her groin, and she hates it. A dear friend looks as if she had a box of stickers, tossed them in the air, and got inked wherever they landed. She has been trying to find new work but says she is told by Thai employers her tatts disqualify her. Yes, that isn't fair, but it is currently how Thai society looks at folks who are heavily tatted.

 

I do not share my views of tatts with anyone who chose to get them, save for on a Forum whose PURPOSE is to post opinions. That being said, I think it might be of benefit if those in the market to permanently disfigure themselves (my opinion) due to a fad should think about 1) what they will feel about it when they inevitably age or have different tastes, and 2) that it could cause mortal harm.

 

 

I really like the way you presented your argument to the debate…    I don’t agree with all, but the contribution carries a matter of fact reality usually circumnavigated by political correctness yet remained bang on point….   
 

a tough topic if we’re honest..   

[Myran]

Jebus Christ, what an absolutely ridiculous and downright laughable topic. Yes, I bet the "news" that some inks might be dangerous (which has been know for a few decades by now) will end the 5000 year old "fad" that is tattoos.

 

You're just like the people who take very chance they get to loudly proclaim that they would never deign to eat at McDonald's. Good for you, you're extremely special and a step above everyone else.

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I really like the way you presented your argument to the debate…    I don’t agree with all, but the contribution carries a matter of fact reality usually circumnavigated by political correctness yet remained bang on point….   
 

a tough topic if we’re honest..   

LOL It's not a tough topic!  Anyway specious examples of ugly, silly tattoos are not representative  of the tattoos  as body art. He's  referencing what is tantamount to ugly graffiti  or vandalism.

Tattoos are not a tough topic.  Suicide, infanticide, abortion- these are tough  topics- not someone with prejudices and biases repeatedly and effectively repudiated by other BMs as without value, logic or rationality- just mere  assertions  of prejudices based on untruths- starting with the notion of tattoos as a 'fad'.

Within these refutations  rejecting and repudiating the OP's views you will find 'well presented arguments' based on history  and culture- genuinely  informative- not just  common hearsay about a couple of teenagers' mistakes.

 

[pacovl46]

4 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Whereas British tattoos originating in the navy/ merchant  marine tradition were to enable corpses lost at sea to be identified and the gold ring in the mariner's ear  to pay for  a Christian  burial.

Really? Never heard about that before. Interesting factoid! One never stops learning new things. Thanks for the info! 

[seedy]

5 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Really? Never heard about that before. Interesting factoid! One never stops learning new things. Thanks for the info! 

Another Brit one - from the days of Wooden ships and Iron men.

"Let the Cat out of the Bag"

The first origin story claims the phrase refers to the cat o’ nine tails, a whipping device infamously used by the Royal Navy as an instrument of punishment aboard its ships. The whip’s nine knotted cords could scratch an undisciplined sailor’s back badly, hence its feline nickname. The bag comes into play because the cat, being made of leather, had to be kept in a sack to protect it from drying out in the salty sea air and keep it flexible. Removing a whip from a sack doesn’t immediately seem to have anything to do with revealing a secret (that the lash was onboard the ship and would be readily used shouldn’t have been a secret to any sailor), but if you think of “letting the cat out of the bag” as a revelation that results in a punishment, it makes a little more sense.

Image below from Science Museum. UK. Circa 1700-1850

[The Hammer2021]

The most notorious use of tattoos  was by the Germans who used tattoos to number the victims of genocide

[KannikaP]

23 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

To me it adds to the beauty and gives them a mystique.

And to me, tattoos are horrible.

 

[KannikaP]

9 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Really? Never heard about that before. Interesting factoid! One never stops learning new things. Thanks for the info! 

Don't factoids originate on Steve Wright in the Afternoon? 

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

And to me, tattoos are horrible.

 

And to this my friend we can agree to disagree like we always can and not get into a bickering match like others do.  I like your debates with me.

[The Hammer2021]

3 hours ago, seedy said:

Another Brit one - from the days of Wooden ships and Iron men.

"Let the Cat out of the Bag"

The first origin story claims the phrase refers to the cat o’ nine tails, a whipping device infamously used by the Royal Navy as an instrument of punishment aboard its ships. The whip’s nine knotted cords could scratch an undisciplined sailor’s back badly, hence its feline nickname. The bag comes into play because the cat, being made of leather, had to be kept in a sack to protect it from drying out in the salty sea air and keep it flexible. Removing a whip from a sack doesn’t immediately seem to have anything to do with revealing a secret (that the lash was onboard the ship and would be readily used shouldn’t have been a secret to any sailor), but if you think of “letting the cat out of the bag” as a revelation that results in a punishment, it makes a little more sense.

Image below from Science Museum. UK. Circa 1700-1850

It's not an 'origin story'. It's recorded history. The 'cat' established the discipline necessary for running a smooth ship.

[rattlesnake]

On 8/27/2022 at 5:19 AM, ThailandRyan said:

Mine look like they are brand new 20 years later, have not faded with time like some I have seen.

Same here, the ink quality has drastically improved over the years.

[AsianAtHeart]

On 8/27/2022 at 6:33 AM, Orinoco said:

Tattoos and play acting.

What a laugh.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18MI5fRkdw0

That's not play acting...that's possession.  And it's not funny.

[AsianAtHeart]

Personally, I would never get a tattoo for each of the following reasons, and would not wish my spouse to have one either for the same reasons.

 

1. I accept the ancient written command "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD." (Lev. 19:28)
2. I understand that due to toxins in the dyes / inks used to make their bright colors, which gradually leach into the body over time, tattoos are unhealthful.  Cancer is just one of the health problems--nervous disorders, allergies, environmental disorders, etc. can all be exacerbated as well.
3. I think most tattoos are ugly -- not too unlike the common perception in Thailand of such skin issues as freckles.  The clearer and cleaner-looking the skin is, the more youthful and beautiful it tends to appear.
4. Tattoos tend to fade and blur over time.
5. Tattoos are extremely costly to remove, and painful.
6. Tattoos cost money that I would rather spend in other ways.
7. Tattoos are painful to apply, and potentially unsanitary (can be a source of disease, though, fortunately, this is not usual).
8. Tattoos seem part of the present "selfie" culture in which everyone vies for the attention of others--seems a bit like tooting one's own horn.  (I don't take "selfies" either.)

 

There might be more reasons--but that sums up the major ones from my perspective.

[rattlesnake]

Most tattooed people have one thing in common, and that is we don't care too much about what other people think, which is a good thing given the level of ignorance, stereotyping and closed-mindedness I'm seeing in this thread.

[1FinickyOne]

On 8/26/2022 at 6:45 PM, Walker88 said:

Is that 'special memory' injected into one's body worth dying for?

or dyeing for? 

 

Never had a tattoo but now that you put it that way, it sounds much more romantic...

[1FinickyOne]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

we can agree to disagree

no we can't!

[KannikaP]

26 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said:

no we can't!

Hey F One, Ryan was replying to me.

[1FinickyOne]

19 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Hey F One, Ryan was replying to me.

and I was commenting on that.. now that we have that straight can we get a laugh out of your cliches? 

[1FinickyOne]

24 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Hey F One, Ryan was replying to me.

if you want to have a private conversation you can pm each other... 

[ThailandRyan]

53 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said:

no we can't!

So your always 110% correct and never wrong....hmmmm I see????, you would rather go off topic and bicker......

 

Tattoos are like an art exhibit that keeps changing as the people walk by.  Some are like a Picasso, others like a Rembrandt.....but we can always agree to disagree on what we see and what we like.

Edited August 28, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[The Hammer2021]

On 8/27/2022 at 7:22 AM, CanadaSam said:

I'm with the Greeks on this one.

 

IMO, there's nothing more beautiful than a well proportioned young lady, nude, with no body markings whatsoever.

The Muslims have the same taboo against  tattoos Haram!

[seedy]

2 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

I accept the ancient written command "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD." (Lev. 19:28

Ancient ? Less than 2000 years. And nothing but a brainwashing tool when first written - do as I say, not as I do.

Gotta keep those pesky little people in line ! 555

Wonder what it says about ongoing pedophiles ?

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by seedy

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, seedy said:

Ancient ? Less than 2000 years. And nothing but a brainwashing tool when first written - do as I say, not as I do.

Gotta keep those pesky little people in line ! 555

 

Guess I have the number of the beast imprinted on me and I will go to hell then......