Justice Department makes redacted Mar-a-Lago affidavit public

[ThailandRyan]

26 minutes ago, riclag said:

It was reported as a Prediction ,  !

it certainly wasn’t being reported As a mobster threat nor encouraging political violence,  like you have said or that others have claimed without evidence ! You and others would do yourself justice if you use the opinion other than provoking others into something that its not!

He is predicting which when thrown out into the discourse fires people up with the rhetoric spouted and becomes reality.  Look at Trumps statements made before January 6th....did his words not create the issue, if not then why are they looking at filing charges......Your hero Trump is in a world of hurt, it is of his own making, and folks like you believe every word the man spouts without truly thinking about it...

[eisfeld]

4 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Very simple, you made the point that the subpoenas are usually hidden.  I don't think that is true.  

Hint" there may be an attorney from the USA on this forum who would definitively know that answer. DUH. 

You are confusing totally different things again. This was not a subpoena. There was a warrant for a search and the document that was published in redacted form was the application and justification for a warrant. I explained earlier why they naturally have to be sealed or the whole system wouldn't work.

 

A subpoena is a request for evidence or testimony in a legal case under threat of punishment. They are served to the other party who is free to publish it (unless there is a rare order preventing that). The warrant has nothing to do with a subpoena.

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, riclag said:

It was reported as a Prediction ,  !

it certainly wasn’t being reported As a mobster threat nor encouraging political violence,  like you have said or that others have claimed without evidence ! You and others would do yourself justice if you use the opinion other than provoking others into something that its not!

I don’t suppose  the FBI have any experience at all with prosecuting ‘mobster threats’, ‘criminal intimidation’ or obstruction of Justice’.

 

Never come across it, never prosecuted it, never secured a conviction.

[Slip]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

Not relevant ! Longwood made a broad stroke claim im merely 

backing him up with a source

 

A source that did not back up his claim.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

It was reported as a Prediction ,  !

it certainly wasn’t being reported As a mobster threat nor encouraging political violence,  like you have said or that others have claimed without evidence ! You and others would do yourself justice if you use the opinion other than provoking others into something that its not!

Yes, also 'something bad might happen to your restaurant but we can protect you ' is a prediction, not a threat.

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

It was reported as a Prediction ,  !

it certainly wasn’t being reported As a mobster threat nor encouraging political violence,  like you have said or that others have claimed without evidence ! You and others would do yourself justice if you use the opinion other than provoking others into something that its not!

You'd have a point if we didn't know how self-serving he is, how dangerous he could be and how much form he already has. Lets look at the character of Trump..

 

Lets start with David Duke, a former Klan grand wizard, saying “the fact that Donald Trump’s doing so well, it proves that I’m winning”, followed by every far-right nuttjob throughout America loving the guy. You know the saying - not every Trump fan is a racist but every racist is a Trump fan! Then you could just go straight ahead to his direct criminal activity when he had to voluntarily (and very publically) disband his own charity when he admitted to using the funds to 'promote his presidential bid and pay off business debts' WHILST being President (how he still remained POTUS after this one still dumbfounds me). And last but by no means least, how he declared the whole of US democarcy 'a fix' (and continues to do so), then incites a riot aimed at preventing a democractically elected President from taking office. 

 

I use these three examples (out of literally 100's) because they 100% happened and not even Trump fans deny them anymore (but do stay tuned for the deflections, the gaslighting and of course a bit of straw-man to keep you all entertained). Here's the thing though, I don't think Trump IS a racist, nor a real criminal nor a traitor to his own country, I just think he's just a simple user and opportunist. This was how he was brought up; whatever he wanted he knew he could be got with corny persuasion, lots of money or when all else fails, a bit of strong arming. He will use anyone and anything to get what he wants and the poor little reality show star is now so way out of his depth and running out of options that if all else fails he might just go all scorched earth on the whole f@ckin thing to avoid jail.

 

An inoccent person would try to calm the situation and letting the law do it's thing. They wouldn't be re-Tweeting or even repeating someone saying “If there is a prosecution of Donald Trump for mishandling classified information after the Clinton debacle… there’ll be riots in the streets' unless as a thinly veiled threat. That's the work of someone trying to stir the pot and if you don't see that then you are just being willful ignorant. It's a call to arms. He's already casually mentioned the planting of evidence by the FBI (leading to huge ant-FBI feeling and even attacks). He's daily shouting 'corruption, witch hunt, establishment cover-up'. The fire is burning and he's throwing nepalm on it. And the problem is that after years and years of stoking fear, preying on peoples insecurity, inciting their xenaphobia, plying them with a regular daliy dose of distrust and hatred of the federal government, these people are ready to blow. This may get waaaaaaaaaaaay out of hand.

 

 

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, riclag said:

Not relevant ! Longwood made a broad stroke claim im merely 

backing him up with a source

 

Longwoods' "broad stroke claim" was:

 

"It is "reported" that all the former presidents have some classified information in their homes."

 

Your source did not back up that claim.

[Bkk Brian]

New: DOJ says it wants to file a response to Trump’s special master request that could extend to up to 40 pages so that it can “adequately address the legal and factual issues” raised in Trump’s suit

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.33.0.pdf

[ballpoint]

On 8/27/2022 at 1:25 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Good example of the concerns on who was able to make their way into Mar-a-lago

 

The FBI has launched an investigation into a Russian-speaking Ukrainian immigrant named Inna Yashchyshyn, who allegedly posed as a member of the Rothschild banking family to gain access to former President Donald Trump's inner circle at Mar-a-Lago, according to reporting from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project.

 

The FBI investigation appears focused on whether Yashchyshyn was part of a broader criminal network that attempted to make inroads with politicians and businessmen, according to the report–investigators have reportedly obtained two fake “Anna de Rothschild” passports as part of the probe.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20220827005006/https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/08/26/russian-speaking-immigrant-allegedly-entered-mar-a-lago-using-fake-identity-met-with-trump-report-says/

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/08/26/russian-speaking-immigrant-allegedly-entered-mar-a-lago-using-fake-identity-met-with-trump-report-says/

And look who she just happened to meet with there.

 

[Longwood50]

21 hours ago, eisfeld said:

You are confusing totally different things again. This was not a subpoena.

You are correct I used the wrong term.  There has to be a predicate for a search warrant.  

[Longwood50]

21 hours ago, billd766 said:

There are several posters on this forum and this thread who have many years of experience with the Justice Department and Law enforcement but you refuse to accept what they say simply because it does not agree with your bias.

Again, I think you are WRONG.  I have seen no posts from people who have represented themselves to be US atorneys or former justice department personnel. 

In the USA you have to have probable cause not "suspicion" in order to legally obtain a search warrant. 

Again, I don't believe that they can they hide and say oh but we don't have to tell you how or why we believe we have probable cause.  That is just an end around the 4th amendment that precludes unlawful search and siezures.  If a government can cloak itself in secrecy and not have to disclose probable cause it in effect has limitless power to conduct whatever searches and siezures it wants without having to prove it had probable cause. 

 

[Longwood50]

On 8/29/2022 at 3:36 PM, johnnybangkok said:

You're really not doing very well here are you? This has been explained to you several times

Yes Johhny,

You have "explained it to me"  I am looking for confirmation from someone who is knowledgeable with the law, not a Trump Hater. 

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Again, I think you are WRONG.  I have seen no posts from people who have represented themselves to be US atorneys or former justice department personnel. 

In the USA you have to have probable cause not "suspicion" in order to legally obtain a search warrant. 

Again, I don't believe that they can they hide and say oh but we don't have to tell you how or why we believe we have probable cause.  That is just an end around the 4th amendment that precludes unlawful search and siezures.  If a government can cloak itself in secrecy and not have to disclose probable cause it in effect has limitless power to conduct whatever searches and siezures it wants without having to prove it had probable cause. 

 

The Justice Dept did show probable cause to the Federal Magistrate. Which is what the 4th Amendment specifies.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons , houses , papers , and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

https://ij.org/issues/ijs-project-on-the-4th-amendment

[candide]

8 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Again, I think you are WRONG.  I have seen no posts from people who have represented themselves to be US atorneys or former justice department personnel. 

In the USA you have to have probable cause not "suspicion" in order to legally obtain a search warrant. 

Again, I don't believe that they can they hide and say oh but we don't have to tell you how or why we believe we have probable cause.  That is just an end around the 4th amendment that precludes unlawful search and siezures.  If a government can cloak itself in secrecy and not have to disclose probable cause it in effect has limitless power to conduct whatever searches and siezures it wants without having to prove it had probable cause. 

 

Isn't it the judge's job to assess whether there is sufficient probable cause? Are you also claiming the judge did not do his job properly?

[ThailandRyan]

15 minutes ago, candide said:

Isn't it the judge's job to assess whether there is sufficient probable cause? Are you also claiming the judge did not do his job properly?

He is a lost puppy. Believes that we are Trump Haters. 34 years as a law enforcement officer, District attorney investigator, who has filed numerous affidavits and served numerous warrants is not good enough for him.. I give up. He is a lost cause like his hero the Donald.

[ozimoron]

Opinion: What if Trump's conspiracy was way bigger than we know?

 

There was, it increasingly appears, a conspiracy involving some in the most senior levels of the Trump administration to end American representative democracy and replace it with a strongman oligarchy along the lines of Putin’s Russia or Orbán’s Hungary.

 

This would be followed, after the January 20th swearing-in of Trump for a second term, by a complete realignment of US foreign policy away from NATO and the EU and toward oligarchic, autocratic nations like Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, and Hungary.

 

Evidence is growing, however, that the leadership of this conspiracy to end our form of government and replace it with a Putin-style strongman oligarchy wasn’t limited to Trump, Stone, Giuliani, and a few dozen militia members.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-seditious-conspiracy-2657964597/

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Yes Johhny,

You have "explained it to me"  I am looking for confirmation from someone who is knowledgeable with the law, not a Trump Hater. 

So am I a Trump Hater, or just an individual who knows the Federal and State judicial system and how a warrant works based upon 34 years as a LEO and DA Investigator working in the court system.  Guess I am the first one and what I have said falls on your deaf ears.......learn some law my friend you might save yourself some heartache.......

[Longwood50]

19 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

34 years as a LEO and DA Investigator

And which college is your JD from? 

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

And which college is your JD from? 

McGeorge School of Law, Sacramento, CA.  You want my CA. BAR number also., obtained it in 2005 after passing my BAR Exam.  It doesn't matter to you because you know nothing of law, ethics or accountability something the Donald has none of.  My background is such that I also owned an investigations firm which I closed during Covid and was licensed out of Nevada as an LLC.

[johnnybangkok]

41 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

McGeorge School of Law, Sacramento, CA.  You want my CA. BAR number also., obtained it in 2005 after passing my BAR Exam.  It doesn't matter to you because you know nothing of law, ethics or accountability something the Donald has none of.  My background is such that I also owned an investigations firm which I closed during Covid and was licensed out of Nevada as an LLC.

CA, BAR number, perhaps a copy of your CV or maybe some references from past employers. Obviously he will need to see your high school and other qualifications and of course your DNA so he can trace your ancestral history.

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

CA, BAR number, perhaps a copy of your CV or maybe some references from past employers. Obviously he will need to see your high school and other qualifications and of course your DNA so he can trace your ancestral history.

As always he is deflecting instead of facing facts.

[placeholder]

This is written by a former Federal prosecutor

Opinion | Why Trump’s Documents Case Is Really Just Like a Drug Prosecution

He had possession of something he shouldn’t have. It’s that simple.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/29/trumps-documents-case-like-drug-prosecution-00054046

[ThailandRyan]

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is written by a former Federal prosecutor

Opinion | Why Trump’s Documents Case Is Really Just Like a Drug Prosecution

He had possession of something he shouldn’t have. It’s that simple.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/29/trumps-documents-case-like-drug-prosecution-00054046

The only viable defense Trump has is to point the finger at someone else, and state those are not my pants, even though he was wearing them....oh wait that is what many of the drug arrestees tried when we arrested them, and then tried to use the defense in court.

 

For Trump to try and say someone else planted the TS Classified materials in his house in a locked room, where he had told the National Archives where he stored items.  Will just open up a can of worms which Trump does not want.  If and when a case is made and he is charged, he will start throwing everyone and anyone under the bus to save his own skin.  Many of his republican allies have started to move away from him based upon his last outbursts.  It is actual sad to see someone who was a president to act like a down and out individual.  Once someone wields certain power they can never become normal again, and is why many remove themselves from the public eye, but not The Donald.....

[ThailandRyan]

More bad news as seen through MSM eyes.  @Longwood50will not like the article if he bothers to read it and see the actual photos of items found...very damning especially when items were found in Trumps personal desk mixed with his own papers.  It is like finding the smoking gun....

 

Legal Experts Say Late-Night DOJ Filing Is Damning For Trump (msn.com)

 

The 36-page brief included an image of some of the documents discovered when the FBI executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago earlier this month, and counters many of the claims made by Trump’s attorneys. 

“This factual recitation has him dead to rights, there’s no question about it,” conservative attorney George Conway said on CNN. 

 

Conway, a longtime Trump critic despite his marriage to Kellyanne Conway, who served in the Trump White House, added that the filing shows the former president is “guilty as sin”:

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

As always he is deflecting instead of facing facts.

I think you missed my sarcasm

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I think you missed my sarcasm

No I got it full force, my retort was satirical as well.....

[johnnybangkok]

I would love that something like this could take ol' Teflon Don down. It's Al Capone and his taxes. 

 

This guy has just been the worst. Not a single redeeming quality to the point that his fans when asked about his major acheivements list, 'well he didn't start a war'. This is why I have no respect for his fans or indeed Republicans in general.  When your last 'greatest hit' was Eisenhower 62 years ago, you've got to start wondering whether you're really truly open to new ideas and change or whether you just firmly want to stay in the past. They'll quote Reagan to try and distpute this but Reagans' claim to fame is making rich people even richer, fighting a losing drugs war or pulling down the iron curtain in which he just happened to be POTUS (whilst the true accolades should go to a real world changer; RIP Gorbachev). 

 

As a Brit I don't think we have such extremes. Extremes don't work in the UK. You just can't be this corrupt, incompetant (although Boris has tried his best) and antagonistic and get so far. It's amazing to the rest of the world how far Trump has got and how much he continues to influence America. And it's not like he's a lone voice in the wilderness; he's tapped into an awful lot of what Americans really think and is fervently followed. Now I'm not naive to think this is all of American, but he did become POTUS and he did get 70m votes last time. Ultimately you have to start asking Really America! I mean REALLY?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

No wonder he spends all night posting on social, he sleeps alone ????

 

One additional thing we learned is that Melania’s defense to this whole thing is that she lives in a separate bedroom from Trump at Mar-a-Lago and would never allow him to bring anything in there.

 

While the former President Donald Trump has fumed about the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago, former first lady Melania Trump has been quiet. CNN's Kate Bennett has new details of Mrs. Trump's reaction to the search.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/08/30/melania-trump-mar-a-lago-fbi-search-bennett-new-day-sot-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

[candide]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

More bad news as seen through MSM eyes.  @Longwood50will not like the article if he bothers to read it and see the actual photos of items found...very damning especially when items were found in Trumps personal desk mixed with his own papers.  It is like finding the smoking gun....

 

Legal Experts Say Late-Night DOJ Filing Is Damning For Trump (msn.com)

 

The 36-page brief included an image of some of the documents discovered when the FBI executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago earlier this month, and counters many of the claims made by Trump’s attorneys. 

“This factual recitation has him dead to rights, there’s no question about it,” conservative attorney George Conway said on CNN. 

 

Conway, a longtime Trump critic despite his marriage to Kellyanne Conway, who served in the Trump White House, added that the filing shows the former president is “guilty as sin”:

I have read the motion (well, the most important parts). It shows that, despite allegations from MAGA folks, everything has been cross-checked by expert lawyers and the procedure must be flawless. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

CA, BAR number, perhaps a copy of your CV or maybe some references from past employers. Obviously he will need to see your high school and other qualifications and of course your DNA so he can trace your ancestral history.

Try to focus.

 

It’s about Trump.

 

It’s Trump who is under criminal investigation.

 

 

Focus now…. Focus!