Police shooter in NE massacre was addicted to drugs since high school - got drugs from another ex-cop

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, Dave0206 said:

A little bit of the blame ? Are you kidding this piece of s"it if he was an ordinary member of the public should have been sent to prison for that behaviour for the publics safety. Now that he was a policeman no way should it have been tolerated I never thought there was a big enough rug even in Thailand to sweep that under.

I can see a few people shuffling to that inactive posts very soon

You may see that, cynically can I suggest that whoever/whichever team is assigned to investigate the way this fellow was "managed" will see an opportunity.

 

That is why he was able to go so far for so long. Corruption is absolutely engrained in the organisation.

[Speedhump]

Welcome to Thailand. If you expect a governmental organisation to vet applicants before giving them authority and a firearm, go live somewhere else. ????‍♂️

[Pepelino]

8 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

RTP must shoulder some responsibility due to their inability to properly deal with this animal. 

An Animal would never do that

[monkfish]

There's more going on here than meets the eye but this is in international news and damages Thailand's reputation so there will be a big cover up for sure. Not long ago since the Korat shooting. Why is it always cops and soldiers killing people in Thailand. Very sad.☹️

[BarraMarra]

6 hours ago, khunpeer said:

"psychologically" I don't even know if that word excists in thai language... I would say: first and above all: frequent bloodtests for all, that means everyone!

Wasn't there a thread when Joe Farrari's case the Doctors at the hospital stated there were traces of drugs in the victim of the tortured supposed suspect when in fact there were none?. Even Doctors are given backhanders from high-up RTP officers to lie.

[BarraMarra]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Not that we would expect any more out of the RTP, but it is a bit surprising that nothing in the way of a background check is done, before someone is hired. I guess since they are expected to work the franchise, rather than practice law enforcement, this should not be shocking. 

 

What is incredible, is that this guy could get away with such atrocious behavior, over a period of so many years. And even though he was a constant annoyance to the other cops, and even though he was obviously a very poor performer, he was kept on. It is as if they have no standards, and one has to really go out on the limb to get fired. Many of us have long considered the RTP to be a very toxic force within Thailand. Is this even more confirmation of that?

Probably scared for his life and his family if a serving member is sacked.spider.

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Not that we would expect any more out of the RTP, but it is a bit surprising that nothing in the way of a background check is done, before someone is hired. I guess since they are expected to work the franchise, rather than practice law enforcement, this should not be shocking. 

 

What is incredible, is that this guy could get away with such atrocious behavior, over a period of so many years. And even though he was a constant annoyance to the other cops, and even though he was obviously a very poor performer, he was kept on. It is as if they have no standards, and one has to really go out on the limb to get fired. Many of us have long considered the RTP to be a very toxic force within Thailand. Is this even more confirmation of that?

Could be that he was making regular large financial contributions to those further up the food chain and those directly above him were unable to take any action ? 

[BarraMarra]

This guy was in court the day before and was released and told to report to the court in the morning for sentencing. Jesus, it's not Rocket Science lock him up till he comes to court for sentencing. The Thai judicial system needs an overall as well if he was locked up he would not have murdered kids at that Nursery, knowing full well he was about to be imprisoned for drug offenses and likely known to have a firearm in his house.

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, sambum said:

How on earth did he keep his job? He must have paid an awful lot of money to get it in the first place!

Or maybe had a lot of dirt on some people higher up?

[dallen52]

When I read this it was almost like deja vu.

The infil background to the main story seems to have been repeated so many times.

[dallen52]

8 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

Cops robbing gold shops, cop suffocating suspect during torture/interrogation, drunken cop shoots and cripples noodle vendor in Patong, cops involved in drug deals ... the list is endless. Spot the common theme.

 

Cops taking 20,000 backhand payments in soi Buchao last Friday from Diu bike riders to avoid prison.

Even escort them to the ATM.

About 50 were hauled.

A nice nights tea money.

It's entrenched at every level.

[Dont confuse me]

7 hours ago, it is what it is said:

if this story was in another country you'd find it hard to believe, but here not so!

 

RIP to the victims.

 

sadly this thai bash won't hold water, police officers can slip through the net in many countries, just two examples, there are loads more if you search;

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/30/sarah-everard-murder-wayne-couzens-whole-life-sentence

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/27/george-floyd-police-officers-j-alexander-kueng-tou-thao-sentenced

2 vs untold Thai cops flipping out, remove your rose tinted glasses and attempt to see RTP for what they really are.

Here endeth our conversation! 

 

[realfunster]

10 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Thailand (and the rest of the world) could learn from Singapore...treatment for addicts...death for traffickers!

Typical, knee-jerk nonsense.

Hang ‘em, castrate ‘em, if I ever got my hands on ‘em.. etc, etc bla bla bla.

 

Reflects very poorly on you and those who liked your post, which was completely meaningless. Two thirds of countries globally have banned capital punishment entirely and most of those that do retain it only use it for crimes deserving of the punishment, such as murder. 

 

No civilized country employs such a model for drugs offenses…but great, you sounded off and got a few likes from the brain dead crowd.

 

Here is the group of countries you are joining in executing people …hope you feel a warm sense of pride…

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by realfunster
Typo

[bbbbooboo]

Hmmm…. Another spoiled brat young male Thai child, with no boundaries or discipline has probably led to this. 

[Ginner]

16 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

If someone wants to join the police why is their history related to drugs, violence etc not checked and why are they not psychologically tested to ensure they are not going to totally flip like this guy did. Because of the "take anyone who wants to join" (apparently) attitude many innocent lives have been taken.

 

This guy didn't flip. Reading the report, this guy was a disaster waiting to happen, but because of the (loss of face) attitude of the RTP. This guy should have been off the force and sectioned  years ago,. 

[Rocking Robert]

15 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

Random blood tests like we have in the Oil & Gas industry

What happens when there is positive for pot

[Phil1964]

Thais for you!

 

While I find this level of violence and depravity deplorable, my Thai wife attempted to explain that it's not a surprise this kind of thing happened when you have experienced a hard and difficult life in Thailand.

Suffice to say I don't agree with her cold and non-empathtic attitude, but I am not surprised either, when Thais appear to have massive chips on their shoulder believing that the whole world and their neighbour are against them!

Thais really are wired totally different to the rest of us.

 

I truly hope this idiot, who has destroyed the lives of many, burns in hell.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Phil1964

[Rocking Robert]

13 hours ago, damo1967 said:

All you negative people are focussing on this 'demon' that deserves no mention.

There is no good now in condemning him.. it is over.. try to forget this evil inhuman monster.

 

Has anyone asked how to donate to the families of lost ones?   OR, do you wait for a 'poor' uninsured to raise a GoFundMe?

 

I would gladly donate to these families, but I will be met with more depressing negative <deleted> from lonely people...  ????

 

If anyone can let me know how I can donate to the families it would be appreciated.

 

I heard the Royal family is taking care of that

[hotchilli]

19 hours ago, webfact said:

He repeatedly annoyed colleagues and the public with belligerent behavior including shooting while drunk and shooting a dog dead.

 

He said he got yaba from an ex-cop who had also been sacked from the RTP.

Time to get the mafia under control.... 

[hotchilli]

19 hours ago, webfact said:

But despite attempts to get him into a police rehab program he continued with drug taking

There are so many they have their own rehab programme.. that's rather disturbing to say the least.

[hotchilli]

16 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

Cops robbing gold shops, cop suffocating suspect during torture/interrogation, drunken cop shoots and cripples noodle vendor in Patong, cops involved in drug deals ... the list is endless. Spot the common theme.

No wonder there's no Cider.. too many bad apples?

[chalawaan]

19 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

If someone wants to join the police why is their history related to drugs, violence etc not checked and why are they not psychologically tested to ensure they are not going to totally flip like this guy did. Because of the "take anyone who wants to join" (apparently) attitude many innocent lives have been taken.

 

So because he was erroneously recruited, it led to this horror show? 

I get he never should have been a cop, but you're also dealing with an institution that is corrupt from top to bottom with a few notable exceptions, and one of those exceptions is a now a political refugee in Melbourne. The other is (possibly) Big Joke, tho the jury is out until the history books are written.

But to blame the RTP for this, as bent as they are, is a real stretch!

 

Nielsen, the gay serial killer from 1980s London was an ex-cop too. That's not the fault of the far from perfect MPS either.

 

Crazy cannot be prevented (anywhere) short of locking them up for life BEFORE the event. So how do we do that?

 

Another totally wrong line of thought here, is blaming everything but the perp for this. 

This is one of the few times I'm not suggesting the availability of guns was necessarily an issue, since he used a knife to kill most of the victims. 

 

Also, while drugs and alcohol feature on his rap sheet, we can't start calling for yet another fruitless crackdown on drugs, if we are also not prepared to shut down the breweries?

 

Let's face it, if this was all about meth, why are these sort of crimes not happening in the thousands every day?

 

Nobody is making amphetamines by the truckload out of the hope they'll find a willing market!  They sell truckloads because people are clearly using recreationally AND leading normal lives, just like a Friday night drink session. 

And use is growing in spite of draconian jail terms. 

Yet where are all the crazy meth Axe murderers? One or two a year given the millions of doses of meth out there, may be one or two too many, but it also shows prohibition fails to protect us from them, because the huge hauls prove it is not reducing drug use!

 

 

It's hypocrisy and bad addiction science, to call for a crackdown on meth, without also not closing the pubs.

 

 

We need to start accepting that use of any substance including alcohol, is not risk free, but also does not equal addiction. 

 

One hit and you are hooked! That's a big lie. It takes time to develop an addiction. Ask any smoker!

 

And treating drug use as a restricted pharmaceutically dispensed recreational activity is the only sensible way to get across the problem. 

 

Prohibition leads to this type of tragedy. It clearly utterly failed to prevent it happen this week. So pray explain how doubling down will work?

 

 

If he was getting meth legitimately, from a pharmacy, his drug use could have been minimised, and  monitored in a database, and also his behaviour in pharmacies monitored, and red flagged. This, possibly more than any other method, preventing this crazed spiral.  

And that, gentlemen, is how we finally control drugs, and problem drug users.

 

By legitimate supply chains and a detailed clinical user database.

 

Not by handing the entire trillion dollar industry to criminal Warlords the world over. 

 

 

Until we get smarter, and actually control drug use and distribution, instead of knee jerk criminalising it, evil will prevail. 

 

Edited October 8, 2022 by chalawaan

[chalawaan]

15 hours ago, jingjai9 said:

Once positive thing could come out of this. Perhaps a crime this tragic and so highly publicized is enough to affect change in the RTP. It seems as though this shooting can be traced to police mismanagement, or better yet corruption because they wanted to keep the perpetrator's name out of the news when he caused trouble while a member of the RTP.

 

One thing that would help is if the media did not continuously publish pictures of the shooter. It makes bad people famous. This I think invites copy cat actions. In America some shooters make videos before they commit their acts so they can be shown on social media. The media in the US constantly flashes pictures of the shooters again and again on the 24 hour news cycle. They even seem to keep a tally of who has shot the most people. To me this just entices other unstable people to shoot for the record (no pun intended this is very serious).

These shootings are quite often committed by people with suicidal tendencies who want to take other innocent people with them when they die. For want of a better term, a suicide party of sorts. Check how many times this pattern has occurred in the US in recent years.

 

Nothing will change in the RTP in any meaningful way whatsoever.  They may make big media shows next week, with the usual silly banners with cartoon kawaii cops on it, then go back to business as usual once the journos leave the building. 

[chalawaan]

15 hours ago, jingjai9 said:

Once positive thing could come out of this. Perhaps a crime this tragic and so highly publicized is enough to affect change in the RTP. It seems as though this shooting can be traced to police mismanagement, or better yet corruption because they wanted to keep the perpetrator's name out of the news when he caused trouble while a member of the RTP.

 

One thing that would help is if the media did not continuously publish pictures of the shooter. It makes bad people famous. This I think invites copy cat actions. In America some shooters make videos before they commit their acts so they can be shown on social media. The media in the US constantly flashes pictures of the shooters again and again on the 24 hour news cycle. They even seem to keep a tally of who has shot the most people. To me this just entices other unstable people to shoot for the record (no pun intended this is very serious).

These shootings are quite often committed by people with suicidal tendencies who want to take other innocent people with them when they die. For want of a better term, a suicide party of sorts. Check how many times this pattern has occurred in the US in recent years.

 

You are spot on!

 

The Thai media  are antiquated and clueless in these cases.

 

In the west now, even celebrity suicide is not reported as suicide. 

 

And domestic terrorists like this guy are now name and photo suppressed, because they have learned the hard way, that it's really NOT in the public interest to show his ugly mug, since he's dead meat anyway, and this will lead to another copycat tragedy as night follows day. 

 

[Lucky Bones]

RTP motto,

"Not my job. Not my problem".

 

[chalawaan]

11 hours ago, monkfish said:

There's more going on here than meets the eye but this is in international news and damages Thailand's reputation so there will be a big cover up for sure. Not long ago since the Korat shooting. Why is it always cops and soldiers killing people in Thailand. Very sad.☹️

Because apart from being crazy, they're both trained to defend "Thailand" against ordinary Thais, not against big shot crony criminals, or outside threats, which don't really exist, and haven't since the Vietnam war. 

Wouldn't be so bad at all if he went to Bangkok and selected a few Jurassic Park targets, but no, big guy had to go for women and toddlers, typical grovelling P.O.S and true enemy of the people. 

 

Edited October 8, 2022 by chalawaan

[kcpattaya]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

After this things improved but then yesterday's incident occurred. 

Yes, things improved a lot... Jesus

[chalawaan]

17 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Not that we would expect any more out of the RTP, but it is a bit surprising that nothing in the way of a background check is done, before someone is hired. I guess since they are expected to work the franchise, rather than practice law enforcement, this should not be shocking. 

 

What is incredible, is that this guy could get away with such atrocious behavior, over a period of so many years. And even though he was a constant annoyance to the other cops, and even though he was obviously a very poor performer, he was kept on. It is as if they have no standards, and one has to really go out on the limb to get fired. Many of us have long considered the RTP to be a very toxic force within Thailand. Is this even more confirmation of that?

It's not just a Thai thing necessarily.

In the 1980s a Friendly London copper once told me, and I quote: "To get fired from the job, you've got to practically rape the Queen!"

There's a lot of bad apples the world over. 

But yeah, Kalaland is on a whole other level. 

[Photoguy21]

19 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

We never had any checks when I was in PNG. Did manage some local rum one night. It was a dry crew, mainly because with the natives there was a risk that they could start hacking lumps out of each other with bush-knives if they got pished! 

You obviously didnt work for Exxon

[Andrew65]

1 minute ago, Photoguy21 said:

You obviously didnt work for Exxon

No. I worked for Velseis seismic (2006), and our client was Interoil. Another client there was Oilsearch. Working in the Purari River area.