Ukraine war: World must act now to stop Russia nuclear threat - Zelensky

[Eric Loh]

4 hours ago, markclover said:

It doesn't look like he can give up now.  The embarrassment of it would be too much.  I think he will cross the line and create a world war.  Russia will be turned into dust and a new government will be put it place.

Putin will not give up but will his disregard and disrespect for the fundamentals of international law on the sanctity of international borders may rebound on him and cause a Russia Federation to collapse. Failing to achieve success over Ukraine and the increasingly damaging international sanctions have caused the federal states to seize the time and pressed for greater autonomy and some may even veered towards sovereignity. There are already disquiet and economic grievaces among the federal states. Russia can collapse like the collapse of the Soviet Union. 

 

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russia-may-not-survive-putins-disastrous-decision-to-invade-ukraine/

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, JetsetBkk said:

Yes - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements   &  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

 

re. the Minsk Accords: When Boris Johnson went to Ukraine in April, he told Zelensky not to negotiate for peace with Russia.

All Russia wanted was for Ukraine not to join NATO.

 

And now, here we are.

 

Thanks Boris.

 

Laughable, a Russian apologist clutching at straws and trying to blame Boris for the ongoing war and murders of civilians in Ukraine. How much lower can you really go.

[Eric Loh]

On 10/8/2022 at 9:45 PM, ballpoint said:

A low yield device would cause a lot of damage in one area, (an approximately 560m radius for a 30kT payload),

As a measure of its devastation, low yield tectical nuclear bombs are many times more powerful than the Hiroshima or Nagasaki atomic bombs. 

[JetsetBkk]

3 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Laughable, a Russian apologist clutching at straws and trying to blame Boris for the ongoing war and murders of civilians in Ukraine. How much lower can you really go.

You need to brush up on history.

 

Boris Johnson has cast doubt on the prospects for a negotiated peace in Ukraine, comparing it to holding talks with a “crocodile”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/20/boris-johnson-casts-doubt-on-possibility-of-negotiated-peace-in-ukraine

 

Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

 

[Eric Loh]

19 minutes ago, paulikens said:

Zelensky is just as much a warmonger as Putin.  and NATO are just as bad.   keep prodding a snarling dog eventually it bites.     here's an idea.... what about NATO and Zelensky try and de-escalate the conflict instead of Zelensky just asking for more money for arms and armed forces, 

 and the rest of the world pampering to his every whim.                   the propaganda that is churned out by the media that Putin is the bad guy and NATO and Zelensky are the good guys is complete nonsense.  Putin is a wrong un but so are the other sides.    its like they want Putin to start a nuclear war.  

Interesting analogy. Just how did Nato prod Russia to invade a sovereign country. Not even Russia can explain why they invaded Ukraine.  Putin's justification in the beginning was that modern, western-leaning Ukraine was a constant threat and Russia could not feel safe, develop and exist. Then on invasion day on 24 Feb, the goal was change to to "demilitarise and de-Nazify Ukraine". Subsequently the goal was changed to "protect people subjected to what Putin called eight years of bullying and genocide by the Ukraine government to ensure Ukraine's neutral status. Even Putin can't explain But low and behold you can. LOL.

[coolcarer]

53 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

You need to brush up on history.

 

Boris Johnson has cast doubt on the prospects for a negotiated peace in Ukraine, comparing it to holding talks with a “crocodile”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/20/boris-johnson-casts-doubt-on-possibility-of-negotiated-peace-in-ukraine

 

Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

 

I’m quite aware of history and if you are peddling Johnson as responsible for this you’ve lost the plot completely 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, paulikens said:

Zelensky is just as much a warmonger as Putin.  and NATO are just as bad.   keep prodding a snarling dog eventually it bites.     here's an idea.... what about NATO and Zelensky try and de-escalate the conflict instead of Zelensky just asking for more money for arms and armed forces, 

 and the rest of the world pampering to his every whim.                   the propaganda that is churned out by the media that Putin is the bad guy and NATO and Zelensky are the good guys is complete nonsense.  Putin is a wrong un but so are the other sides.    its like they want Putin to start a nuclear war.  

Here's another idea, how about the war monger Putin gets the F out of Ukraine instead of cowardly attacks against civilians

 

 

[Jingthing]

Pushing a moral and ethical equivalency narrative that does NOT exist. 

 

If you said OK Zelinsky isn't a saint and Ukraine is far from a perfect democracy, that would be credible. But not what you said. 

[coolcarer]

15 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Clearly you aren't.

What’s that? Try again. Just a week before Johnson’s visits Putin had already said the peace talks were at a dead end, part of the reason being he said the Bucha massacre provocation being perpetrated and that it was fake news:

 

April 12th

 

President Vladimir Putin has said that peace talks with Ukraine are at a “dead end” as the Russian leader claims that Kyiv has deviated from agreements struck in Turkey.

“We acted to create conditions to continue talks,” he added. “Instead, we faced the provocation in Bucha and, what’s most important, the Ukrainian side deviated from the Istanbul agreements,” Putin said.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8397113f-bc37-4376-9bde-339fded97569

“Issues of regulating relations on Crimea, Sevastopol and Donbas are taken outside of those agreements,” he said. “So we are back to the dead end situation.”

He said that claims people died at the hands of Russian soldiers were “fake news” from the US. Ukraine meanwhile has said Russia was responsible.

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

How about Nato stays the F out of Ukraine.

NATO never invaded Ukraine or committed mass war crimes raping and murdering civilians and quote my full post in future

Edited October 10, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Gulfsailor]

Sure. It’s not smart to poke a snarling dog when it’s inside it’s own territory and trying to protect the place. BUT when that snarling dog comes into my garden and thinks it’s its territory now as well, I will first poke, then kick, and whatever stronger actions I can think of to convince it to leave. If it is too dumb or stubborn to get the message then it will have to be put down, removing the threat altogether. 

[ThailandRyan]

37 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

How about Nato stays the F out of Ukraine.

How about Russia gets the F out of Ukraine, while NATO is not and has not set foot in the Ukraine.

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, paulikens said:

@Bkk Brian Who says that Zelensky!  

Never asked him, no need to as the UN made it clear what was happening. Who said there was, Putin? LOL

 

On January 27, 2022, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights released its most recent estimate of the victims of the Donbass conflict from 2014 to December 31, 2021. The famous figure of 14,000 casualties, often quoted by pro-Russian comments, comes from this document. In fact, the U.N. estimate is between 14,200 and 14,400 victims. 

By no means were these victims all “killed by the Ukrainians.” According to the U.N., 10,900 victims were soldiers, of which 4,400 were Ukrainians and 6,500 pro-Russian combatants of or on behalf of the separatist pseudo-republics. Civilian victims were between 3,400 and 3,500. The latter were in turn not all victims of attacks and of drones and rockets launched by Ukraine against the pseudo-republics. In fact, a part died in the portions of the oblasts of Luhansk and Donetsk that remained under Ukrainian control during attacks by separatists.

The U.N. report also notes that 8.8% of all civilian victims come from a single incident, which happened on July 17, 2014, when Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot by a missile.

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[Eric Loh]

These are the wars in Europe in the 21st Century. Just how many involved Russia and how many involved Nato. Facts don't lie and your opinion is just inaccurate.

 

2001 Georgia, Kodori crisis 2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia 2004-2013 Unrest in Kosovo 2004 Georgia, Adjara crisis 2004 Georgia, South Ossetia clashes 2006 Georgia, Kodori crisis 2007-2015 Insurgency in North Caucasus 2014-presentRusso-Ukraine war 2014 Annexation of Crimea 2022-present Russia invasion of Ukraine.

 

Are you just naive or you just a Putin's apologist.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

24 minutes ago, paulikens said:

@Eric Loh and are you Zelensky apologist?    I've commented two times on my posts that Putin is a wrong un and a narcissist but you're naive if you think Zelensky is innocent in this.  Zelensky and NATO are too blame just as much as Putin.  Zelensky is just as bad as Putin. 

Your knowledge of the history relating to Ukraine and Nato is sheer ignorance. Relations between Ukraine and NATO started in 1992. Ukraine applied to intergrate with NATO in 2008. Zelensky became President in April 2019. Putin was President since 2012. How is the blame falls on Zelensky for Putin's lifelong ambition to annex Ukraine. You are a Putin's apologist and a poor one. 

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[300sd]

Interesting headline. Don't think Zelensky is looking for a peace plan.

 

China will join Russia because if Russia falls China knows it's next. Can add Iran and N. Korea to the mix.

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Interesting headline. Don't think Zelensky is looking for a peace plan.

 

China will join Russia because if Russia falls China knows it's next. Can add Iran and N. Korea to the mix.

He is not looking for a peace plan with Putin. The door for negotiation is still open with Russia but will not be conducted with Putin as its President. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

23 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Interesting headline. Don't think Zelensky is looking for a peace plan.

 

China will join Russia because if Russia falls China knows it's next. Can add Iran and N. Korea to the mix.

Nope.

China has learned lessons but a fallen Russia makes them that much stronger. China will not join with Russia 

 

A peace plan with Russia leaving Ukraine would be very welcome.

[Rimmer]

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[300sd]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Nope.

China has learned lessons but a fallen Russia makes them that much stronger. China will not join with Russia 

 

A peace plan with Russia leaving Ukraine would be very welcome.

I hope you are right on China and I am wrong. Guess we are going to find out unfortunately.

[300sd]

39 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He is not looking for a peace plan with Putin. The door for negotiation is still open with Russia but will not be conducted with Putin as its President. 

 

 

Well that's the unfortunate part because whoever comes after Putin, I think, will be much worse.

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48 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Interesting headline. Don't think Zelensky is looking for a peace plan.

 

China will join Russia because if Russia falls China knows it's next. Can add Iran and N. Korea to the mix.

Extremely unlikely. China is already warning Russia not to invade Kazakhstan and is working with the other stans to make them far less dependent of Russia.

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

Interesting headline. Don't think Zelensky is looking for a peace plan.

 

China will join Russia because if Russia falls China knows it's next. Can add Iran and N. Korea to the mix.

Zelensky is always looking for a peace plan so long as it includes Russia getting out of Ukraine and paying for their war crimes.

 

Putin is also always looking for a peace plan because he’s running out of ammunition and men so wants time to regroup and rearm.

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Please provide a reliable source for that statement!

There won't be one in the sense of proving  him of being a traitor.

 

If he leads Ukraine to a decisive victory against Putin he will be the George Washington of his country.

 

As far as money he was a very successful entertainment entrepreneur before being a leader so he would be crazy not to have money abroad. Usually these kinds of Tucker Carlson level snarky insinuations are also tainted with antisemitism. These toxic arguments try to suggest that because Ukraine isn't a perfect democracy or free of ony corruption they are as bad as Putin and not worthy of support from the west to defend against a genocidal invasion. Of course I don’t know what percentage of Zelensky's assets are abroad but I would consider him stupid and irresponsible to have none considering hes a top assassination target and has a family with young children.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Jingthing

[Bkk Brian]

No signs Russia is preparing to use nuclear weapon, says GCHQ boss

 

The head of GCHQ has said the UK spy agency has not seen any indicators that Russia is preparing to use a tactical nuclear weapon in or around Ukraine despite recent bellicose statements from Vladimir Putin.

 

Jeremy Fleming, speaking on Tuesday morning, said it was one of GCHQ’s tasks to monitor whether the Kremlin was taking any of the preliminary steps needed before a tactical weapon was being made ready.

 

Experts say it takes time to move such warheads out of storage and it should be possible for a spy agency such as GCHQ or its US counterpart, the NSA, to monitor such movements.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/11/russia-use-nuclear-weapons-gchq-putin

[Jingthing]

46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No signs Russia is preparing to use nuclear weapon, says GCHQ boss

 

The head of GCHQ has said the UK spy agency has not seen any indicators that Russia is preparing to use a tactical nuclear weapon in or around Ukraine despite recent bellicose statements from Vladimir Putin.

 

Jeremy Fleming, speaking on Tuesday morning, said it was one of GCHQ’s tasks to monitor whether the Kremlin was taking any of the preliminary steps needed before a tactical weapon was being made ready.

 

Experts say it takes time to move such warheads out of storage and it should be possible for a spy agency such as GCHQ or its US counterpart, the NSA, to monitor such movements.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/11/russia-use-nuclear-weapons-gchq-putin

Putin is happy enough now to continue to intentionally murder children.  That's what he's good at.

[Scott]

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[heybruce]

13 hours ago, 300sd said:

Interesting headline. Don't think Zelensky is looking for a peace plan.

 

China will join Russia because if Russia falls China knows it's next. Can add Iran and N. Korea to the mix.

I think you mean Russia will join China, and Russia will definitely be the junior partner in the relationship.

 

Unless you mean China will join Russia in fighting Ukraine, which would be a very stupid thing for China to do.

[vandeventer]

On 10/8/2022 at 6:09 PM, Isaan sailor said:

KGB Putin—things not going so well, so he plays the nuke card.  Why don’t his countrymen stop him?

The reason no one is stopping him might be that he is in a bunker with his finger on the nuke buttons? Crazy yes, smart yes, there's no way out for him. He alone killed so many people that just wanted to live a normal life. The world hates him. 

[Mr Derek]

No chance that Russia will nuke Ukraine's towns and cities - there is a sizeable population of Russians in urban areas right across Ukraine.

 

Russia might nuke an out-of-the-way corner of the countryside as a warning though.  They could have done that in the beginning, which is proof that Russia is actually pulling its punches and opting first to fight it out mano a mano. 

 

By the way, for those above who don't yet understand, liberating the Donbass, most of which is majority-Russian, is what this war is all about that. The way to resolve this war is to consider the demographics and history of the Donbass (and Crimea while you're at it). Something the west has so far refused to do.