Paul Pelosi: Who is spreading false claims about attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband?

[Scott]

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By Shayan Sardarizadeh

BBC Monitoring

 

Paul Pelosi, the husband of US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, was attacked by a hammer-wielding intruder at the couple's San Francisco home in the early hours of Friday.

 

Within hours of the attack, a series of unsubstantiated claims began circulating in fringe far-right circles that contradicted the official police account of how the attack unfolded.

 

Those misleading claims have since gone viral after being amplified by new Twitter chief Elon Musk and a number of conservative influencers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/63477452

[SunnyinBangrak]

from the criminal complaint itself.

 

"10. At 2:31 a.m., San Francisco Police Department (“SFPD”) Officer Colby Wilmes responded to the Pelosi residence, California and knocked on the front door. When the door was opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand and DEPAPE had his other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. "

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23245697/read-feds-announce-charges-against-david-depape-paul-pelosis-suspected-attacker.pdf

 

 

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[Bkk Brian]

The last pieces of the original MAGA Pelosi Attack Conspiracies are coming apart. Why were there no security cameras???? There were, they recorded it, and showed the guy breaking in.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/01/capitol-police-cameras-caught-break-in-pelosi-home-no-one-was-watching/

[Bluespunk]

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

from the criminal complaint itself.

 

"10. At 2:31 a.m., San Francisco Police Department (“SFPD”) Officer Colby Wilmes responded to the Pelosi residence, California and knocked on the front door. When the door was opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand and DEPAPE had his other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. "

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23245697/read-feds-announce-charges-against-david-depape-paul-pelosis-suspected-attacker.pdf

 

 

Certainly fail me after reading your post. 
 

From the OP

 

”There is no evidence in any of the police accounts that a third person was either in the house or involved in the attack.”

 

 

[Bluespunk]

“Paul Pelosi: Who is spreading false claims about attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband?”

I can suggest at least two names…

[Bkk Brian]

 

Fact Check-Attack on Paul Pelosi did not involve third person, say officials

 

law enforcement officials told Reuters that Paul Pelosi and the suspect, David DePape, were the only two people at the Pelosi residence when police responded.

 

One Facebook user wrote, “A third person, at the Pelosi’s opened the door for the cops? Getting weirder & weirder” (here)....

 

“We want to make it clear that there were only two people in the home at the time that the police arrived, Mister Pelosi and the suspect,” Jenkins said. “There was no third person present.”

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-pelosi-depape-thirdperson/fact-check-attack-on-paul-pelosi-did-not-involve-third-person-say-officials-idUSL1N31X1VI

[pomchop]

of course all the usual characters are hard at work trying to come up with tin foil conspiracy theories that they with their inside knowledge and csi skills have found rather than look at the facts presented by video showing the break in as well as statements by the perp himself, his online postings and investigations done by police who were actually there....

 

it's what they do....show them the evidence and they refuse to believe as  it just as they have done over and over with the big lie and capitol coup attempt....and naturally republicans think it is all just a big fun joke...lets have a good laugh over an attempted murder...,what fun......lets see what happens when a few republicans like trump junior gets smacked in the head with a baseball bat or worse

 

if anyone has any real evidence, not some tweet or posting by some goofball persons or sites claiming it was a gay pickup attack, the glass was broken from the inside, there were other people there, etc please do lay your evidence  ...you know things like video cameras police investigations statements from the perp himself  etc on the table as i am sure fox entertainment would be delighted to run it on a loop 24/7 and provide free kool aide for the show

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

 

Who opened the door for police? Real easy question but so far no one can answer it logically. Apparently what Rick Scott the SF Chief of Police had to say was false.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Who opened the door for police? Real easy question but so far no one can answer it logically. Apparently what Rick Scott the SF Chief of Police had to say was false.

It seems like they are saying the 82 year old Pelosi did it with one hand, while grappling with a hammer with someone half his age with the other hand? Is that the official line? Genuine question...

[johnnybangkok]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Who opened the door for police? Real easy question but so far no one can answer it logically. Apparently what Rick Scott the SF Chief of Police had to say was false.

It is widely reported that Pelosi himself answered the door. The deranged attacker then lunged and Pelosi grabbed the hammer.   

'The charging documents revealed cops witnessed the attack. “Pelosi and DePape were both holding a hammer with one hand and DePape had his other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. Pelosi greeted the officers,” the documents outlined.

“The officers asked them what was going on. DePape responded that everything was good. Officers then asked Pelosi and DePape to drop the hammer.” “DePape pulled the hammer from Pelosi’s hand and swung it, striking Pelosi in the head. Officers immediately went inside and were able to restrain DePape … Pelosi appeared to be unconscious on the ground.”    https://nypost.com/2022/10/31/paul-pelosi-attack-a-timeline-of-david-depapes-alleged-assault/

 

You guys are just the worst. Why can't you just accept that a MAGA fan, indoctrinated with hatred for Pelosi through right wing propoganda stoked by Trump and his accolytes went to the Pelosi residence for the express purpose of causing Nancy some considerable harm, but when that didn't happen, took it out on her 82 year old husband?

 

Who cares who ansered the door? There obviously was only two people in the room and your conspiratorial nonsense is not going to change a VERY well documented narrative.    

[johnnybangkok]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It seems like they are saying the 82 year old Pelosi did it with one hand, while grappling with a hammer with someone half his age with the other hand? Is that the official line? Genuine question...

Yes

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

IYou guys are just the worst. Why can't you just accept that a MAGA fan, indoctrinated with hatred for Pelosi through right wing propoganda stoked by Trump and his accolytes went to the Pelosi residence for the express purpose of causing Nancy some considerable harm, but when that didn't happen, took it out on her 82 year old husband?

 

Who cares who ansered the door? There obviously was only two people in the room and your conspiratorial nonsense is not going to change a VERY well documented narrative.    

DePape already confessed that he broke in to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage and "break her kneecaps." The police were witness to attempted murder but they keep on pushing baseless conspiracy theories, living in a <deleted> up fantasy world.

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

DePape already confessed that he broke in to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage and "break her kneecaps." The police were witness to attempted murder but they keep on pushing baseless conspiracy theories, living in a <deleted> up fantasy world.

Agreed. 

This is why the GOP and the MAGA brigade are so messed up. They'd rather believe whatever nonsense scenarios questions the events (to own the liberals of course) than the actual video and eye-witness eveidence that clearly shows what happened. It's beyond inane. 

[pomchop]

7 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Agreed. 

This is why the GOP and the MAGA brigade are so messed up. They'd rather believe whatever nonsense scenarios questions the events (to own the liberals of course) than the actual video and eye-witness eveidence that clearly shows what happened. It's beyond inane. 

and yet millions continue to search high and low for goofy claims without a shred of evidence rather than look at the facts right in front of their faces like video evidence, the perps confession, the eyewitness police accounts etc....and when they can't find any credible evidence of all their  tin hat conspiracies they of course never admit they were wrong  that they got conned, or apologize.... but move on to look for even goofier theories and false bs to spread around.....this is from grown adults who should but obviously do not know better.

[SunnyinBangrak]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

who exactly opened the door? This should be easy for you to answer as I note your mocking tone. 

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Agreed. 

This is why the GOP and the MAGA brigade are so messed up. They'd rather believe whatever nonsense scenarios questions the events (to own the liberals of course) than the actual video and eye-witness eveidence that clearly shows what happened. It's beyond inane. 

Actually, some people just want the truth. I don't believe you need to be a Republican or MAGA to want the truth (I am neither, I'm not even American). If the truth is as is it currently being portrayed then that's fine, "if" it's the truth. Maybe law enforcement in California really does attend emergency home invasions and then watches on as the attacker fractures the skull of the 82 year old victim. Based on what I know of the extremely aggressive American policing style it seems unlikely but if that's the case, the cops need to be brought to account for such a pathetic response. If the account is true, Pelosi should be suing them for millions for gross negligence. 

 

The accounts given just seem completely unrealistic to me. I'd like to see what really happened. Hopefully we'll see the actual CCTV and bodycam video (minus any graphic footage of course). If I was Pelosi, I'd also want to put these "silly" rumours to bed (assuming that's what they are) and would support the videos being released. If they refuse to release the footage, naturally the rumours will continue.

[Walker88]

Who is spreading fake news about this heinous attack inspired by low life repubs and right wing media?

 

Answer: Fascists and lunatics, which is to say repubs and maga

 

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[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

It makes perfect sense that PP opened the door for police and then went for the hammer instead of letting police handle it.

Mr Pelosi is certainly fortunate. I think some violent home invaders bent on murder would not be letting the victim have a timeout to visit the bathroom, and again would probably not let the victim free to open the door to the police. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Certainly fail me after reading your post. 
 

From the OP

 

”There is no evidence in any of the police accounts that a third person was either in the house or involved in the attack.”

 

 

The actual criminal complaint is a factual document. If the facts are to be known, I suggest reading the official document not some MSM outlets take on the story.

[Berkshire]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Actually, some people just want the truth.

 

Absolutely not true....especially among the MAGA types.  These people have zero interest in the truth.  They just want to hear something that they can agree with. 

[Walker88]

The list of attacks and threats against Dems and 45 critics is growing by the day. This low life depape was a QAnon guy and maga cultist.

...

ALL who attacked the Capitol on 6 Jan 2021 were driven by the lies of loser 45, and the evidence is showing it was intended. Of course sane people know there was no possible reason those cultists should march to the Capitol as ... 45 told them. They were going to buy souvenirs in the Capitol gift shop? No, the sole reason 45 sent them was to overthrow democracy.

 

This nonsense will continue until 45 is indicted for Sedition (6 Jan) and Conspiracy to Commit Espionage (stealing highly classified documents from the White House), tried, convicted, and executed if found guilty, per the law.

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[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So, as per your understanding of my quote above, who exactly opened the door? This should be easy for you to answer as I note your mocking tone. 

Seeing as there was no third person then yea pretty easy to conclude it would have been the attacker or Paul. Mocking tone, na just one where its the only response left to people who carry on spreading misinformation even though official statements from police are clear that there was only two people.

[JonnyF]

20 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Absolutely not true....especially among the MAGA types.  These people have zero interest in the truth.  They just want to hear something that they can agree with. 

You do realize that "some people" does not necessarily include the MAGA types? Or did you just want some way of shoehorning the word MAGA into a post?

 

I repeat, some people just want the truth, myself included. Hence I would like to see the CCTV and bodycam footage.

 

By the way I am British and thus have a very limited interest in America being 'great again'. Maybe when they sign the trade deal with the UK I would have a passing interest, but no more than that.

[Bluespunk]

31 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The actual criminal complaint is a factual document. If the facts are to be known, I suggest reading the official document not some MSM outlets take on the story.

I suggest you are desperately seeking a conspiracy theory to explain away the truth that there was no third person.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Bluespunk

[johnnybangkok]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

Yes you quoted from the official complaint that made absolutely no mention of the amount of people in the room.

 

I am not 'claiming the official criminal complaint is spreading false claims' as it didn't even mention it, I'm claiming that you are spreading false claims.

 

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[Eric Loh]

47 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Actually, some people just want the truth. I don't believe you need to be a Republican or MAGA to want the truth (I am neither, I'm not even American). If the truth is as is it currently being portrayed then that's fine, "if" it's the truth. Maybe law enforcement in California really does attend emergency home invasions and then watches on as the attacker fractures the skull of the 82 year old victim. Based on what I know of the extremely aggressive American policing style it seems unlikely but if that's the case, the cops need to be brought to account for such a pathetic response. If the account is true, Pelosi should be suing them for millions for gross negligence. 

 

The accounts given just seem completely unrealistic to me. I'd like to see what really happened. Hopefully we'll see the actual CCTV and bodycam video (minus any graphic footage of course). If I was Pelosi, I'd also want to put these "silly" rumours to bed (assuming that's what they are) and would support the videos being released. If they refuse to release the footage, naturally the rumours will continue.

I bet my bottom dollar that you will have somethng to spin even after the actual CCTV, bodycam and the audio 911 call are released. Anyone disagree?

[johnnybangkok]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You do realize that "some people" does not necessarily include the MAGA types? Or did you just want some way of shoehorning the word MAGA into a post?

 

I repeat, some people just want the truth, myself included. Hence I would like to see the CCTV and bodycam footage.

 

By the way I am British and thus have a very limited interest in America being 'great again'. Maybe when they sign the trade deal with the UK I would have a passing interest, but no more than that.

And how many criminal cases do you know of that let you see the 'CCTV and bodycam footage' this early in the investigation?

 

The police have zero duty to prove what they say to you or anybody for that matter other than a court of law but I think you can be pretty sure that in a high profile case such as this they will be scrupulous in what they say and do. If they are saying there was only 2 people, then there was only two people. 

 

You ask 'The accounts given just seem completely unrealistic to me. I'd like to see what really happened'. Again, why would you rather say that than say 'well, the police, witness statements and CCTV seem to back up a particular story, that seems good enough for me'.

 

All conspiracy theories rely on some small area that advocates cling to desperately (shadows on the moon meaning no moon landing; a magic bullet with JFK; building 7 on 9/11) and it's VERY easy to simply come up with the 'but, I'm only asking' when we all know that 'just asking' is loaded with connotations.

 

You insist you have no skin in the game but rather than hear what others are pointing out to you, you are still insisting on 'just wanting the truth'. Well the truth is there, documented, recorded and verified. Will you now say that's good enough for you?

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

I bet my bottom dollar that you will have somethng to spin even after the actual CCTV, bodycam and the audio 911 call are released. Anyone disagree?

Me, I find it interesting that some can read the same reports I read and think, Looks good to me. Why does it matter who opened the door? It's all in the "report"  There's nothing suspicious here.

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Me, I find it interesting that some can read the same reports I read and think, Looks good to me. Why does it matter who opened the door? It's all in the "report"  There's nothing suspicious here.

 

 

The difference is called being objective. Something that many of you lack.

You are looking at these reports to try and find something that points to a conspiracy (who answered the door? why did the police not do that?; was he his gay lover?), whereas the vast majoirty of people are saying 'it's on CCTV, there's a police report outlining everything that happened and there's also a statement from the perpetrator saying exactly what he did, his actions and his motives.

But we are not surprised. We have seen you shovelling HS for the last 5 years in defence of the indefenceable so this little episode comes as absolutely no surprise. 

 

 

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And how many criminal cases do you know of that let you see the 'CCTV and bodycam footage' this early in the investigation? The police have zero duty to prove what they say to you or anybody for that matter other than a court of law but I think you can be pretty sure that in a high profile case such as this they will be scrupulous in what they say and do. If they are saying there was only 2 people, then there was only two people. 

You ask 'The accounts given just seem completely unrealistic to me. I'd like to see what really happened'. Again, why would you rather say that than say 'well, the police, witness statements and CCTV seem to back up a particular story, that seems good enough for me'.

All conspiracy theories rely on some small area that advocates cling to desperately (shadows on the moon meaning no moon landing; a magic bullet with JFK; building 7 on 9/11) and it's VERY easy to simply come up with the 'but, I'm only asking' when we all know that 'just asking' is loaded with connotations.

You insist you have no skin in the game but rather than hear what others are pointing out to you, you are still insisting on 'just wanting the truth'. Well the truth is there, documented, recorded and verified. Will you now say that's good enough for you?

The CCTV backs it up? Really? When did you see it?

 

The truth is documented, recorded and verified? Please send me links, I'd love to see that.

 

I can wait for the trial, no biggie. It's a matter of interest to me, nothing more. I am not obsessed with American politics or Trump like so many on here.