Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[ozimoron]

Just now, ivor bigun said:

we voted to leave ,give it a bloody rest ,its over .????

Scotland rang up and want to talk about that.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No , Obama was interfering with U.K Politics and trying to get the U.K to vote remain , he was threatening the U.K that if we left the E.U then we would be at the back of the queue when dealing with the USA .

   Obama was directly replying to comments made by the Leave group about UK/USA relations after the vote

after the vote is not interfering.

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

It was Saint Margaret's policy to not support British industry and to turn Britain into a 'services-based' economy, that's well known.

Part of the problem with British industry was an us & them mentality. I worked there for about 10 years.

A bigger part of the problem was the communist led unions being allowed too much influence by the Labour governments of the 70's. I was there too and remember so many 'workers" regularly in the pubs at lunchtime while they were still clocked-on at British Leyland. Complete joke and <deleted> cars. 

[ivor bigun]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

after the vote is not interfering.

Obama isnt the president of America,so who cares what he says

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

after the vote is not interfering.

No, you misunderstood .

He said that BEFORE the referendum vote about what the relationship would be like AFTER the vote if the UK voted to leave 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Scotland rang up and want to talk about that.

Scotland are included in that "We" , as Scottish people also voted 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Scotland are included in that "We" , as Scottish people also voted 

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the majority of Scottish vote to remain?

[johnnybangkok]

22 hours ago, kickstart said:

As for the OP's Q, the NHS is a big problem ,in time someone  grabs the bull by the horns and  do away with the NHS and have an insurance based system,it is just a black hole.

 

There is an insurance scheme. It's called National Insurance (the clues in the name).

[nauseus]

44 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

They were entitled to proceed with brexit after the vote. I believe it remains the case that there was a huge amount of foreign influence and misinformation involved in achieving that narrow majority. Now it's buyer remorse.

I believe it remains the case that any foreign influence there might had no affect at all. Looks like it's still a case of sore losers. Nag nag. Nanu nanu.

[ozimoron]

Just now, nauseus said:

I believe it remains the case that any foreign influence there might had no affect at all. Looks like it's still a case of sore losers. Nag nag. Nanu nanu.

That's why the Russians continued their misinformation campaigns in election after election, because they had no effect?

[candide]

23 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Indeed. That prize <deleted> Obama threatening the UK that it would go to "the back of the queue" for  a free-trade agreement surely pushed many undecided people to vote for Brexit.

And you conveniently forget to recall the context!

Obama argued that he had a right to respond to the claims of Brexit campaigners that Britain would easily be able to negotiate a fresh trade deal with the US. “They are voicing an opinion about what the United States is going to do, I figured you might want to hear from the president of the United States what I think the United States is going to do.

“And on that matter, for example, I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done”.

He added: “The UK is going to be in the back of the queue.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-brexit-uk-back-of-queue-for-trade-talks

[candide]

Double post

Edited November 13, 2022 by candide

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the majority of Scottish vote to remain?

The U.K voted as one , it wasn't dived up into regions .

All the Votes from British citizens were counted and the results came from those .

   Like, if Scottish people voted for the SNP and they won , the UK wouldn't get an SNP Government 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K voted as one , it wasn't dived up into regions .

All the Votes from British citizens were counted and the results came from those .

   Like, if Scottish people voted for the SNP and they won , the UK wouldn't get an SNP Government 

I think that topic is going to come up again soon.

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No , Obama was interfering with U.K Politics and trying to get the U.K to vote remain , he was threatening the U.K that if we left the E.U then we would be at the back of the queue when dealing with the USA .

   Obama was directly replying to comments made by the Leave group about UK/USA relations after the vote

It wasn’t a threat it was a promise.

 

The UK is at the back of the queue for a trade deal with the US.

 

Go ahead get mad at the people who warned you.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, ozimoron said:

I think that topic is going to come up again soon.

Yes, the SNP  haven't accepted the vote either .

Scotland voted to remain in the U.K 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A bigger part of the problem was the communist led unions being allowed too much influence by the Labour governments of the 70's. I was there too and remember so many 'workers" regularly in the pubs at lunchtime while they were still clocked-on at British Leyland. Complete joke and <deleted> cars. 

Yep, the Tories broke the unions and it’s been down hill for working people ever since.

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Scotland rang up and want to talk about that.

Scotland didn't have a vote. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, the SNP  haven't accepted the vote either .

Scotland voted to remain in the U.K 

That second sentence is really torturing the English language. Most people would not read the result that way. By your definition, everybody voted to leave.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

“They are voicing an opinion about what the United States is going to do, I figured you might want to hear from the president of the United States what I think the United States is going to do.

 

Everyone knew that he wouldn't be POTUS much longer and priorities would change  when a new non hostile to the UK President came into power 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That second sentence is really torturing the English language. Most people would not read the result that way. By your definition, everybody voted to leave.

The majority of voters who voted voted to leave .

The U.K voted to LEAVE 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Everyone knew that he wouldn't be POTUS much longer and priorities would change  when a new non hostile to the UK President came into power 

Who is this ‘non hostile’ POTUS?

 

No US President is ever going to engage the UK in any negotiation or treaty that is not favorable to the US and you were warned, no US President is going to negotiate with the Uk until the UK ends it’s policies that threaten the Good Friday Agreement.

 

There is no ‘special relationship’, tge UK is a very junior partner and since Brexit an extremely junior partner.

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The majority of voters who voted voted to leave .

The U.K voted to LEAVE 

Most of the denizens of Scotland voted to remain.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The majority of voters who voted voted to leave .

The U.K voted to LEAVE 

And as the UK is a democracy, the UK can change its mind.

[candide]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Everyone knew that he wouldn't be POTUS much longer and priorities would change  when a new non hostile to the UK President came into power 

Has it been proven right?

Whoever is POTUS, I think the rationale remains the same. Giving a "good deal" to UK before completing an agreement with the EU is bad tactics.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Has it been proven right?

Whoever is POTUS, I think the rationale remains the same. Giving a "good deal" to UK before completing an agreement with the EU is bad tactics.

The UK isn’t getting any kind of a deal out of the US anytime soon.

 

Even the lettuce understood that.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Most of the denizens of Scotland voted to remain.

Did they ?

I never knew that .

Learn something new everyday...........................

[johnnybangkok]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

May have been good for you , but wasn't too good for hod carriers looking for a job in Cricklewood on building sites

And that's pretty much the only debate you have. Cricklewood hod carriers upended by Polish immigrants. 

Were you by any chance in the building industry?

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Typical so you don't like democracy.

But we also like economic success. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Did they ?

I never knew that .

Learn something new everyday...........................

Only 38% voted to leave. Imagine that. No wonder they're peeved off.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/568701/brexit-results-by-nation/

Edited November 13, 2022 by ozimoron