Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[johnnybangkok]

37 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A bigger part of the problem was the communist led unions being allowed too much influence by the Labour governments of the 70's. I was there too and remember so many 'workers" regularly in the pubs at lunchtime while they were still clocked-on at British Leyland. Complete joke and <deleted> cars. 

Any chance you can come up with an example that isn't 50 years old?

[johnnybangkok]

35 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Scotland are included in that "We" , as Scottish people also voted 

I think the very obvious point was they voted against

[RayC]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

May have been good for you , but wasn't too good for hod carriers looking for a job in Cricklewood on building sites

Yet labour shortages have intensified post-Brexit

 

https://www.ft.com/content/a9677ee4-281d-4d0d-8456-661982890304

 

Maybe hod carriers in Cricklewood need to be a bit more flexible and look for work slightly further afield e.g. in Ealing.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I think the very obvious point was they voted against

We all know that Scotland didn't vote independently and the votes were counter from the U.K as a whole

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Yet labour shortages have intensified post-Brexit

 

https://www.ft.com/content/a9677ee4-281d-4d0d-8456-661982890304

 

Maybe hod carriers in Cricklewood need to be a bit more flexible and look for work slightly further afield e.g. in Ealing.

That is why the UK voted for Brexit , so they would be more job opportunities for  British workers , more job vacancies 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

We all know that Scotland didn't vote independently and the votes were counter from the U.K as a whole

We all know Scotland is a country in which many people believe independence from the UK will put an end to them being subjected to decisions from Westminster tgat the majority of the Scottish population do not support.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is why the UK voted for Brexit , so they would be more job opportunities for  British workers , more job vacancies 

It is ridiculous to claim the vote for Brexit was on the basis of a single issue.

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

We all know that Scotland didn't vote independently and the votes were counter from the U.K as a whole

Like playing a pigeon at chess...............

 

The point about the whole artcle is why the UK is struggling more than other countries and obviously Brexit has played a part. We all understand it's not the ONLY point, but it certainly hasn't helped. 

The Tories had an idea about the benefits of Brexit but it was all based on getting free of EU finacial rules and freeing up The City. Guess what? They haven't even taken advantage of that. Lizz Truss was at least honest about what they are all about; less tax for the rich and corporations in an attempt to save The City from the likes of Singapore and Frankfurt. When you have a square mile of London paying almost 33% of ALL UK tax, you begin to understand what Brexit and what the Tories are really all about.

But like all things, such complexitiies don't precide in a vaccum; there are a many reasons why the UK is struggling more than most but the common demoniator is the Tories and the fact they have been in power now for 12 years. If the UK was a listed company, every one of them would be sacked.

 

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We all know Scotland is a country in which many people believe independence from the UK will put an end to them being subjected to decisions from Westminster tgat the majority of the Scottish population do not support.

The right decision would have been to punt the issue to another referendum after a couple of years. The majority vote was slim and England and Wales were the only countries in favour.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Looks like the whole of the E.U also has economic problems 

 

EU says eurozone set to fall into recession this winter

]

The European Commission is predicting the eurozone will slide into recession in the winter, as inflation continues to rise , according to the latest economic forecast released on Friday.

The forecast projected that high energy bills currently eroding consumer purchasing power will prolong inflation, which is expected to spike to 8.5% this year, then fall to 6.1% next year.

Growth forecast for 2023 was meanwhile lowered to 0.3%, down from July's projection of 1.4%.

Germany is likely to be next year's worst performer , with the country's economic output predicted to shrink by 0.6% over the next year.

 

 

 

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-says-eurozone-set-to-fall-into-recession-this-winter/a-63723563

[RayC]

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is why the UK voted for Brexit , so they would be more job opportunities for  British workers , more job vacancies 

Given that there is a labour shortage, many UK workers seem to be either unable and/or unwilling to fill these vacancies. 

 

If these vacancies are not filled by UK workers then the choice is simple; either (1) import labour as we were doing pre-Brexit to fill the roles (2) leave the vacancies unfilled and watch the economy contract.

 

The latter seems to be the current default mode.

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

we voted to leave ,give it a bloody rest ,its over .????

It’s not over.

 

The consequences are only now becoming apparent.

 

Brexit is failing to deliver on the promises made.

 

Step 1. Media starts discussing the problems of Brexit (already underway).

 

Step 2. Brexit leaders start complaining about Brexit (already underway)

 

Step 3. Industry and business leaders start complaining about Brexit (Already underway).

 

Step 4. Economy fails to recover (Already underway).

 

Step 5. Promises made aren’t delivered (Already underway).

 

And so the inexorable return to reality that the UK will rejoin the EU.

 

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Looks like the whole of the E.U also has economic problems

 

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-says-eurozone-set-to-fall-into-recession-this-winter/a-63723563

Is it any wonder after inflation caused by pandemic and war?

[RayC]

On 11/13/2022 at 9:03 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Looks like the whole of the E.U also has economic problems 

 

EU says eurozone set to fall into recession this winter

]

The European Commission is predicting the eurozone will slide into recession in the winter, as inflation continues to rise , according to the latest economic forecast released on Friday.

The forecast projected that high energy bills currently eroding consumer purchasing power will prolong inflation, which is expected to spike to 8.5% this year, then fall to 6.1% next year.

Growth forecast for 2023 was meanwhile lowered to 0.3%, down from July's projection of 1.4%.

Germany is likely to be next year's worst performer , with the country's economic output predicted to shrink by 0.6% over the next year.

 

 

 

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-says-eurozone-set-to-fall-into-recession-this-winter/a-63723563

No doubt Brexiters will agree that is because of the effects of Covid and the war in Ukraine!

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not over.

 

The consequences are only now becoming apparent.

 

Brexit is failing to deliver on the promises made.

 

Step 1. Media starts discussing the problems of Brexit (already underway).

 

Step 2. Brexit leaders start complaining about Brexit (already underway)

 

Step 3. Industry and business leaders start complaining about Brexit (Already underway).

 

Step 4. Economy fails to recover (Already underway).

 

Step 5. Promises made aren’t delivered (Already underway).

 

And so the inexorable return to reality that the UK will rejoin the EU.

 

 

And rightly so. It's only hubris that will see it otherwise.

[Chomper Higgot]

On 11/13/2022 at 9:03 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Looks like the whole of the E.U also has economic problems 

 

EU says eurozone set to fall into recession this winter

]

The European Commission is predicting the eurozone will slide into recession in the winter, as inflation continues to rise , according to the latest economic forecast released on Friday.

The forecast projected that high energy bills currently eroding consumer purchasing power will prolong inflation, which is expected to spike to 8.5% this year, then fall to 6.1% next year.

Growth forecast for 2023 was meanwhile lowered to 0.3%, down from July's projection of 1.4%.

Germany is likely to be next year's worst performer , with the country's economic output predicted to shrink by 0.6% over the next year.

 

 

 

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-says-eurozone-set-to-fall-into-recession-this-winter/a-63723563

From your post;

 

”inflation, which is expected to spike to 8.5% this year”

 

Remind me, what is the rate of inflation in the UK right now?

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Eleftheros said:

Indeed. That prize <deleted> Obama threatening the UK that it would go to "the back of the queue" for  a free-trade agreement surely pushed many undecided people to vote for Brexit.

 

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

Obama isnt the president of America,so who cares what he says

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

I believe it remains the case that any foreign influence there might had no affect at all. Looks like it's still a case of sore losers. Nag nag. Nanu nanu.

Looks like opinions differ.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

That is not and was not the long term view of the majority wanting out of EU they wanted to be free of the mafia EU run by France and Germany.

Can you identify any proposals originating from Brussels, which were strongly supported by either France or Germany, but were opposed by the rest of the EU member states but  which, nevertheless, subsequently passed into law?

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

No doubt Brexiters will agree that is because of the effects of Covid and the war in Ukraine!

Yes, I wont be trying to blame all of the problems in Europe with inflation and recession on Brexit.

   Its quite clear that Covid and Ukraine are the reasons why the E.U/U.K are having financial difficulties 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, I wont be trying to blame all of the problems in Europe with inflation and recession on Brexit.

   Its quite clear that Covid and Ukraine are the reasons why the E.U/U.K are having financial difficulties 

Correct but the title of the thread is why is the UK affected more than EU countries.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, I wont be trying to blame all of the problems in Europe with inflation and recession on Brexit.

   Its quite clear that Covid and Ukraine are the reasons why the E.U/U.K are having financial difficulties 

But you ignore Brexit.

 

Which is completely irrational.

[RayC]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

   Its quite clear that Covid and Ukraine are the reasons why the E.U/U.K are having financial difficulties 

Err .. you're forgetting something ....

 

I suppose as the late Mr. Loaf said: "Two out of three ain't bad". 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Correct but the title of the thread is why is the UK affected more than EU countries.

It isnt , the thread title doesn't mention the E.U .

This thread is comparing the U.K to other G 7 Countries, which include USA , Japan and Canada . 

  Didn't you read the thread title or open the link ?

This is about G7 Countries  and it isn't about the E.U 

Image from the link in the OP V

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It isnt , the thread title doesn't mention the E.U .

This thread is comparing the U.K to other G 7 Countries, which include USA , Japan and Canada . 

  Didn't you read the thread title or open the link ?

This is about G7 Countries  and it isn't about the E.U 

Image from the link in the OP V

 

So why this?

 

38 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Looks like the whole of the E.U also has economic problems 

 

EU says eurozone set to fall into recession this winter

]

The European Commission is predicting the eurozone will slide into recession in the winter, as inflation continues to rise , according to the latest economic forecast released on Friday.

The forecast projected that high energy bills currently eroding consumer purchasing power will prolong inflation, which is expected to spike to 8.5% this year, then fall to 6.1% next year.

Growth forecast for 2023 was meanwhile lowered to 0.3%, down from July's projection of 1.4%.

Germany is likely to be next year's worst performer , with the country's economic output predicted to shrink by 0.6% over the next year.

 

 

 

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-says-eurozone-set-to-fall-into-recession-this-winter/a-63723563

 

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It isnt , the thread title doesn't mention the E.U .

This thread is comparing the U.K to other G 7 Countries, which include USA , Japan and Canada . 

  Didn't you read the thread title or open the link ?

This is about G7 Countries  and it isn't about the E.U 

Image from the link in the OP V

 

So others are complaining the EU is dominated by Germany and France. How are they doing compared to the UK?

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So others are complaining the EU is dominated by Germany and France. How are they doing compared to the UK?

I dont know , you can do a websearch and find out if you want 

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Just supports my view that the vote was fuelled by xenophobia, not economics.

Money is corruption, freedom from mafia club will be a better future.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Money is corruption, freedom from mafia club will be a better future.

Mafia club? Sounds like more right wing fluff rather than any  meaningful explanation of a problem. Or perhaps an objection to a democratic commitment not entirely contained with the UK.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

But we also like economic success. The two are not mutually exclusive.

So with having freedom uk people get on with it and stop moaning how many times does that have to be said.

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I dont know , you can do a websearch and find out if you want 

How about looking at the stat in your post I replied to?