Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

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47 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

With all the job vacancies n the UK , the UK should be providing a free  Calais-Dover rubber dinghy service 

But they:re not. Instead, they view asylum seekers as a threat. Which tells us something about their motivations.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But they:re not. Instead, they view asylum seekers as a threat. Which tells us something about their motivations.

Illegal immigrants are being sent straight back home 

 

"Home Office confirms 42 migrants returned to Albania

 

More than 40 Albanian migrants who tried to enter Britain across the English Channel have arrived back in their home country after being deported from the UK."

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-albania-migrants-returned-b2250189.html

 

[josephbloggs]

[johnnybangkok]

On 1/6/2023 at 11:36 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Illegal immigrants are being sent straight back home 

 

"Home Office confirms 42 migrants returned to Albania

 

More than 40 Albanian migrants who tried to enter Britain across the English Channel have arrived back in their home country after being deported from the UK."

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-albania-migrants-returned-b2250189.html

 

The UK has ALWAYS had the ability to do this. They had it before Brexit, during Brexit and after Brexit. This is because it's regarding ILLEGAL immigration.

They fact they haven't done this before is more about incompetence and beurocracy than any new ability gained because of Brexit.  

[candide]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

The UK has ALWAYS had the ability to do this. They had it before Brexit, during Brexit and after Brexit. This is because it's regarding ILLEGAL immigration.

They fact they haven't done this before is more about incompetence and beurocracy than any new ability gained because of Brexit.  

On top of it, Albania is not even yet a member of the EU.

[vinny41]

Record numbers of Albanians claiming to be victims of slavery ‘to avoid deportation’

Figures come days after it emerged that Albanians accounted for nearly four in 10 migrants crossing the Channel over six-week period

“They know they cannot claim asylum, but they are using this ploy that they have been trafficked. It is another barrier to removal which means they cannot be instantly sent back to Albania.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/11/record-numbers-albanians-claiming-victims-slavery-avoid-deportation/

 

 

[vinny41]

"I didn't seek asylum. I told them I was an economic migrant," said Artan. "They gave us plastic bags with our belongings; I was told tomorrow morning you will arrive in Tirana."

 

One of the reasons Artan was deported was that he was honest about his reasons for travelling to the UK. He did not try to claim asylum, he insisted he was there to work.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63673925

[johnnybangkok]

26 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Record numbers of Albanians claiming to be victims of slavery ‘to avoid deportation’

Figures come days after it emerged that Albanians accounted for nearly four in 10 migrants crossing the Channel over six-week period

“They know they cannot claim asylum, but they are using this ploy that they have been trafficked. It is another barrier to removal which means they cannot be instantly sent back to Albania.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/11/record-numbers-albanians-claiming-victims-slavery-avoid-deportation/

 

 

Well it seems that ploy didn't work for 42 of them. Just ask Mac Mickmanus.

This may come as a big surprise to you but illegals (by their very nature) will try anything to stay. The onus however is on the home office and immigration to do their jobs (better and quicker).

But I'm not sure if you are posting this as some big 'gotcha' moment though. There's always been illegal immigrantion (just happens to be the Albanians right now) and Brexit didn't change a single thing about the UK's ability to handle it. If anything it made it worse as Europe is now less inclined to help.

[Chomper Higgot]

On 1/6/2023 at 11:36 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Illegal immigrants are being sent straight back home 

 

"Home Office confirms 42 migrants returned to Albania

 

More than 40 Albanian migrants who tried to enter Britain across the English Channel have arrived back in their home country after being deported from the UK."

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-albania-migrants-returned-b2250189.html

 

More than 40, wow, what a sterling effort (pun intended):

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11589979/More-45-700-migrants-crossed-Channel-small-boat-record-breaking-2022.html

[Kwasaki]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More than 40, wow, what a sterling effort (pun intended):

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11589979/More-45-700-migrants-crossed-Channel-small-boat-record-breaking-2022.html

It a Joke sending back 40, what they should do is use the empty factories and put them to work doing something, slave labour who cares,  NHS workers are slave labour. 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by Kwasaki

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

It a Joke sending back 40, what they should do is use the empty factories and put them to work doing something, slave labour who cares,  NHS workers are slave labour. 

 

 

Separate two issues.

 

A. Immigrants 

 

And

 

B. The Government disgusting treatment of public service workers.

 

Doing so will help you understand A is being used to distract your attention from B.

[johnnybangkok]

12 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Didn't have you down as unintelligent.

Well "A" working and paying tax and N.I. will help "B " get NHS more than being an extra burden, don't try to be clever all the time it don't wash with me in the slightest.

"A'" is costing some 7,000,000 pounds a day doing nowt.

Firstly it's not 7 million per day, it's closer to 3.5M (1.3 billion GBP per year) but as has been pointed out to you many, many times before (on this thread in particular), this is mostly to do with the huge backlog asylum seekers are facing, meaning applications are taking far longer to process than before. And because the UK government doesn't generally allow asylum seekers to work, they have to have their accommodation and basic living costs met. 

 

The system needs a complete overhaul, with applications being handled much quicker than they are now. And yes, it would make sense to have people work whilst their application is going through but people who have claimed asylum in the UK CAN apply for permission to work if they have been waiting 12 months for a decision, and they are not considered responsible for the delay.   https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01908/

If permission is granted, the person will be allowed to take up jobs on the shortage occupation list only but that would certainly help the NHS and other vital services.

 

Again though, this is all down to a Tory government who has been in power for 12 years and who STILL can't sort this mess out. If you want to moan about the cost, numers and general incompetance, moan about the Tories.
 

Edited January 9, 2023 by johnnybangkok

[RayC]

More left-wing bias from that bastion of Marxism, 'The Economist' (You may need to subscribe, which is free, to read the article):

 

https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/01/05/assembling-a-better-british-relationship-with-europe

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Firstly it's not 7 million per day, it's closer to 3.5M (1.3 billion GBP per year) but as has been pointed out to you many, many times before (on this thread in particular), this is mostly to do with the huge backlog asylum seekers are facing, meaning applications are taking far longer to process than before. And because the UK government doesn't generally allow asylum seekers to work, they have to have their accommodation and basic living costs met. 

 

The system needs a complete overhaul, with applications being handled much quicker than they are now. And yes, it would make sense to have people work whilst their application is going through but people who have claimed asylum in the UK CAN apply for permission to work if they have been waiting 12 months for a decision, and they are not considered responsible for the delay.   https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01908/

If permission is granted, the person will be allowed to take up jobs on the shortage occupation list only but that would certainly help the NHS and other vital services.

 

Again though, this is all down to a Tory government who has been in power for 12 years and who STILL can't sort this mess out. If you want to moan about the cost, numers and general incompetance, moan about the Tories.
 

Agree with your post. 

Heard on LBC the amount but whatever cost it's a waste and money that NHS should have.

NHS management overhaul.

 

Since brexit and ongoing negotiations still then along comes covid etc I don't think it matters who was in govt, the whole way things are managed in the UK needs changing to fast track. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Agree with your post. 

Heard on LBC the amount but whatever cost it's a waste and money that NHS should have.

NHS management overhaul.

 

Since brexit and ongoing negotiations still then along comes covid etc I don't think it matters who was in govt, the whole way things are managed in the UK needs changing to fast track. 

It very much matters who’s in charge.

 

This Government took the opportunity of the COVID excuse to introduce ‘fast track’ (VIP) procurement.

 

It resulted in £Billions being handed to chums of Government Ministers who raked in vast personal profits while delivering very little benefit to the nation; though of course in an energy crisis useless PPE might be burned in chain grate boilers to produce electricity.

 

 

 

 

[bannork]

Oh well.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64218883

[RayC]

At last, some positive news about EU - UK relations

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64214603

[pegman]

In no particular order, a combination of:

 

1.a)- Tories

2.b)- Brexit 

3.c)- Tabloids 

[johnnybangkok]

23 hours ago, pegman said:

In no particular order, a combination of:

 

1.a)- Tories

2.b)- Brexit 

3.c)- Tabloids 

Why the tabloids?

[ozimoron]

 

[pegman]

On 1/12/2023 at 12:46 AM, johnnybangkok said:

Why the tabloids?

Their promoting of Brexit & the Tory party. 

[zyphodb]

On 11/12/2022 at 1:18 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. I know a western country where the government is actively trying to destroy the primary industry sector before they ( hopefully ) get booted next election.

Sounds like Holland to me...

[Bluespunk]

“Britain is the only major world economy that has failed to return to its pre-Covid growth performance. Economists regard Brexit as a prime cause. The Office for Budget Responsibility reports that the negative impact of Brexit has been double that of Covid, reducing GDP in the long-term by a full 4%.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/13/brexit-mistake-northern-ireland-protocol?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other