Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[johnnybangkok]

7 hours ago, superal said:

You really need to proof read your posts before submitting .  Try to read the following slowly and carefully consider your rely .

You said ,   Lets just deal with your actuals rather than your 'prophecies'.  Then you quote , 

Recent official figures show the UK's unemployment rate has edged up, and the Bank of England has forecast it will nearly double by 2025 .

It did not take me long to find why the visa for unskilled workers on a tier 3 application had been withdrawn . Because employers were paying well below the minimum wage in many cases and many of the foreign workers simply disappeared to work for cash in the hand jobs . The CBI were guilty of paying below the minimum wage in many businesses and one was the chain of NEXT shops . Also employed staff of under the age of 18 years old for an hourly rate of below the minimum £4 62.  The big UK businesses did not care about the UK national , only cared about profits . There were also foreign non English speaking tradesmen working for B.A.E. on construction of new destroyers for the British navy ( by way of sub contractors ) . How they got M.O.D. security clearance needs investigation .  

Foreign labour is needed but will be overseen by the UK government and not by some approved businesses that proved to be untrustworthy . Employers of foreign labour need to be accountable for the workers and if the company is found to be non-compliant with the rules , they should be hit with a substantial fine and legal proceedings taken to their CEO . 

Finally , I welcome constructive criticism , general debate and others opinions but I expect that any communication is written with respect and not nonsense , that you implied .

I'm not really sure where you are going with all this. No one is denying that corporations play a big part in the exploitation of workers (is this really news to you?) but this CBI isn't an employer, they are a trade body. Perhaps their membership did what you say, but that's not them. I also can't comment on the ins and outs of B.A.E.; all I can say is dodgy stuff goes on all the time. If your point is that hiring foreigners should not be left to corporations and the influx of EU nationals into the UK should only be done by the government, well first of all I'd say they would do a terrible job (as they currently are with asylum seekers) but secondly, you're throwing out the baby with the bath water. 

Of course there were plenty of companies exploiting cheaper labour (and by the way, if a company does do this then they DO get hit with a substantial fine but also a County Court Judegement that can prove VERY detrimental to any company), but I would say they still represent a very small percentage of total employers and in most cases, corporations stuck to minimum wage requirements and all other laws that govern employment in the UK. Wages in some sectors may have gone down because Polish hod carriers undercut local employees but the bigger picture is the UK benefitted from these workers and the cold truth is now the UK is missing these EU workers and it's putting a strain on employers and subsequently, a strain on the economy.   

 

P.S. The 'nonsense' comment was in regard to your views on the vaccine. It's off-topic but more importantly it's just wrong.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

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Do you know who the bureaucrats in your country are?

 

Faceless men and women running you country and you don't have a clue about them as they don't stand for election.

What are you on about? Did you ignore my previous post that addressed that?

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Not entirely sure what your 1st paragraph was about. I wasn't talking about Syrian doctors.

 

And I'm glad you can be so cavalier with uprooting poor Dec and his whole family. Take it from me it's not easy.

Who said life is easy? It's not.

Anyway, Dec doesn't have to take his family, as he can be like millions of other men that support their families from afar.

[Mac Mickmanus]

On 11/23/2022 at 1:22 PM, johnnybangkok said:

And the example I gave? 
Is Dec from Newcastle (that’s his name now) with his wife and three kids and family all around going to “travel and live where the work is?”

 

Its not uncomment for Northerners to go to London to work during the week  and go home for the weekend , like its just 3 half hours by train 

[StayinThailand2much]

On 11/12/2022 at 1:53 PM, josephbloggs said:

Brilliant, today's problems are because of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and it is all the past stuff now biting them on the bum.  You do realise the Tories have been in power for 12 years now??  No blame there at all??  Nah, it's all because of stuff that happened before that that they haven't worked out how to fix. Right.  Bad Labour.

Besides the mention of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, I think, it is spot on. But most of these reasons go way back, and were not 'fixed' in recent times. (Some, of course, like the deindustrialisation and being dependent on China are irreversible - creating problems not only for the UK, but even more so thanks to the reliance of the economy on London's financial industry.)

Edited November 24, 2022 by StayinThailand2much

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its not uncomment for Northerners to go to London to work during the week  and go home for the weekend , like its just 3 half hours by train 

In London I worked with a nurse that lived in Scotland. She took the train north every weekend.

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3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its not uncomment for Northerners to go to London to work during the week  and go home for the weekend , like its just 3 half hours by train 

So where do they live when they are in London? On the street?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

So where do they live when they are in London? On the street?

No, they dont live on the street 

Think for yourself and work out where they can live 

(No, I don't have a link) 

[NanLaew]

12 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Not entirely sure what your 1st paragraph was about. I wasn't talking about Syrian doctors.

Yes, but I was. The first paragraph was to emphasize the pressing need of these trained professionals to leave their homelands. More of a case of stay and possibly get killed.

 

So what's your hypothetical Geordie's pressing need?

 

12 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

And I'm glad you can be so cavalier with uprooting poor Dec and his whole family. Take it from me it's not easy.

Believe me I know. It wasn't easy but we managed OK. For the less ardent, I'm pretty sure that motivational counseling is available in Newcastle.

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4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, they dont live on the street 

Think for yourself and work out where they can live 

(No, I don't have a link) 

So these are people who can afford to have two residences?

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

In London I worked with a nurse that lived in Scotland. She took the train north every weekend.

That was a fact, so I don't understand what was funny about that.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

So these are people who can afford to have two residences?

No, they stay in Hotels ,  friends houses , accommodation provided by their employee , stay with work colleagues , stay with family , rent accommodation themselves or some sleep in vehicles and some sleep at their work

[Chomper Higgot]

No ’sunny uplands’ for the UK’s fishing industry I see:

 

"We came out of the EU we had three vessels operating in the distant waters and by the end of this year will we now be down to one,"

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-63676965

 

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/landmark-grimsby-seafood-factory-closing-7838339

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3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No ’sunny uplands’ for the UK’s fishing industry I see:

 

"We came out of the EU we had three vessels operating in the distant waters and by the end of this year will we now be down to one,"

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-63676965

 

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/landmark-grimsby-seafood-factory-closing-7838339

I do recall when all the Brexiters were waxing indignantly about the loss of sovereignty over UK fishing grounds and the wonders Brexit would do for British fishing. Their solicitude for the UK's fishing industry seems to have evaporated as quickly from the scene as did Liz Truss.

[Mac Mickmanus]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I do recall when all the Brexiters were waxing indignantly about the loss of sovereignty over UK fishing grounds and the wonders Brexit would do for British fishing. Their solicitude for the UK's fishing industry seems to have evaporated as quickly from the scene as did Liz Truss.

This was caused by Covid and war in Ukraine :,

    "Explaining the situation in an update to investors, Mr Ármannsson said 2022 "has turned into a very challenging year". He continued: "A year where we expected Covid-19 to end and life to go back to ‘normal’ – which turned into a year, characterised by a war in Europe, disruptions in value chains, high volatility in commodities, food prices and cost of capital."

[jak2002003]

The answer to the op is because the last few leaders of the country are corrupt, selfish, entitled  and incompetent people. ( Regardless of political party).  

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This was caused by Covid and war in Ukraine :,

    "Explaining the situation in an update to investors, Mr Ármannsson said 2022 "has turned into a very challenging year". He continued: "A year where we expected Covid-19 to end and life to go back to ‘normal’ – which turned into a year, characterised by a war in Europe, disruptions in value chains, high volatility in commodities, food prices and cost of capital."

Can we have a link, I'd like to read the context to understand what some of the language is referring to.

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Can we have a link, I'd like to read the context to understand what some of the language is referring to.

The link is above , do I need to repost the link again ?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The link is above , do I need to repost the link again ?

Yes, I don't see it. If you did already post the link, are you now violating fair use rules by over quoting from the article?

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This was caused by Covid and war in Ukraine :,

    "Explaining the situation in an update to investors, Mr Ármannsson said 2022 "has turned into a very challenging year". He continued: "A year where we expected Covid-19 to end and life to go back to ‘normal’ – which turned into a year, characterised by a war in Europe, disruptions in value chains, high volatility in commodities, food prices and cost of capital."

He also said:

 

"But we must adjust to a different reality and are therefore exiting the UK market from a value-added perspective. This is a difficult decision, but I believe it is the right one. We are committed to our main stakeholders and maintain our commitment to run a profitable business within the European value-added seafood industry."

 

So all the COVID/Ukrainian war issues seem not to impact business in Europe but are an insurance in the UK.

 

There is an irony in ‘Kippers’ voting for the route of the British fishing industry.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Yes, I don't see it. If you did already post the link, are you now violating fair use rules by over quoting from the article?

Which rule did I violate ?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Which rule did I violate ?

Just link the source.

 

Its easy.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Which rule did I violate ?

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[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

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What is that rule ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

23 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Can we have a link, I'd like to read the context to understand what some of the language is referring to.

Ok Ok OK , here is the link again ;

I thought that you would had opened the link when it was previously posted and you would have been aware of where the quote came from .

   As you may have not have opened the link and read it when it was first posted , I have posted the link again below 

 

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/landmark-grimsby-seafood-factory-closing-7838339

Edited November 25, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ok Ok OK , here is the link again ;

I thought that you would had opened the link when it was previously posted and you would have been aware of where the quote came from .

   As you may have not have opened the link and read it when it was first posted , I have posted the link again below 

 

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/landmark-grimsby-seafood-factory-closing-7838339

I thought as much

 

and the renovation and installation of the factory was very much affected by Covid and later Brexit along with difficulties in overall operations.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That was a fact, so I don't understand what was funny about that.

Its considered to be trolling when posters laugh at serious posts . I can conform that its not uncommon for Brits to travel to other part of the Country to work and go back home for the week-end .

   I actually spoke to a guy who flys from Germany to work in London and goes back to Germany for the week-end 

[Gottfrid]

On 11/12/2022 at 1:15 PM, Bluespunk said:

Not quite as badly. 

 

 

On 11/12/2022 at 1:28 PM, Bluespunk said:

Sure you do. 

On 11/12/2022 at 2:20 PM, Bluespunk said:

That they can't name either?

Do you have an opinion?

My opinion is the leaving the EU was a bad move.

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Do you have an opinion?

My opinion is the leaving the EU was a bad move.

Read the thread. 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This was caused by Covid and war in Ukraine :,

    "Explaining the situation in an update to investors, Mr Ármannsson said 2022 "has turned into a very challenging year". He continued: "A year where we expected Covid-19 to end and life to go back to ‘normal’ – which turned into a year, characterised by a war in Europe, disruptions in value chains, high volatility in commodities, food prices and cost of capital."

I underestimated how bad things were. The North Sea a hotbed of Covid and the Russian and Ukrainian navies fighting it out in British waters!!