Trump Organization found guilty on multiple counts of criminal tax fraud

[HappyExpat57]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

You clearly didn't read where Trump signed the checks and authorized the frauds.

Don't waste your time trying to talk sense to a supporter of 45. It is a cult of personality - logic and facts have nothing to do with their blind loyalty to a treasonous loser.

[ozimoron]

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

Don't waste your time trying to talk sense to a supporter of 45. It is a cult of personality - logic and facts have nothing to do with their blind loyalty to a treasonous loser.

My greatest weakness is to try to appeal to common sense. Who imagines that the IRS won't be "looking at this" as Trump was always fond of saying?

[HappyExpat57]

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Was he charged with something?  Was he indicted?  Was he found guilty, of anything criminal?

Let's revisit your post in a year. I have a strong feeling it will not age well.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Was he charged with something?  Was he indicted?  Was he found guilty, of anything criminal?

Let's revisit your post in a year. I have a strong feeling it will not age well.

By all means, I'm posting about reality, things that are happening right now, I'm not speculating about what could happen in your fantasy of next year.

[HappyExpat57]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

By all means, I'm posting about reality, things that are happening right now, I'm not speculating about what could happen in your fantasy of next year.

Yeah . . . right. Not fantasy, many criminal indictments have been held in check, partly for fear of the violent backlash from 45's gun-toting idiots, partly in deference to the office (which 45 sh@t on and is now trying to wipe with the constitution). The justice department has turned a blind eye to 45's criminal acts. Now, largely due to the Jan 6 committee, they can't be ignored any more.

 

Yuck it up while you can. Like I said, your post will not age well.

[Liverpool Lou]

20 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Yeah . . . right. Not fantasy, many criminal indictments have been held in check, partly for fear of the violent backlash from 45's gun-toting idiots, partly in deference to the office (which 45 sh@t on and is now trying to wipe with the constitution). The justice department has turned a blind eye to 45's criminal acts. Now, largely due to the Jan 6 committee, they can't be ignored any more.

 

Yuck it up while you can. Like I said, your post will not age well.

And you think that yours will?

 

"Not fantasy, many criminal indictments have been held in check ... The justice department has turned a blind eye to 45's criminal acts.".

Says who?  Can you back up that claim with anything credible?

[HappyExpat57]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

And you think that yours will?

 

"Not fantasy, many criminal indictments have been held in check ... The justice department has turned a blind eye to 45's criminal acts.".

Says who?  Can you back up that claim with anything credible?

Of course I can, and I won't waste my time presenting facts to someone who is blindly loyal to a traitorous loser. I've already spent too much time on that lost cause.

[Longwood50]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You may want to check the title of this OP, its not about OJ Simpson or Casey Anthony

That is true, it is about courts that don't always find the person guilty they should, and at times find people guilty before the trial ever begins. 

Saying that courts anywheres including the USA are not biased and political are kidding themselves.  The 9th circuit out of California which is notoriously biased liberal had 80% of their rulings sent to the Supreme Court reversed. 

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Longwood50

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

That is true, it is about courts that don't always find the person guilty they should, and at times find people guilty before the trial ever begins. 

Saying that courts anywheres including the USA are not biased and political are kidding themselves.  The 9th circuit out of California which is notoriously biased liberal had 80% of their rulings sent to the Supreme Court reversed. 

 

No its about jurors finding Trump Org guilty on all 17 charges

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2 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

That is true, it is about courts that don't always find the person guilty they should, and at times find people guilty before the trial ever begins. 

Saying that courts anywheres including the USA are not biased and political are kidding themselves.  The 9th circuit out of California which is notoriously biased liberal had 80% of their rulings sent to the Supreme Court reversed. 

 

Because the Supreme Court is notoriously unbiased? And of course you're confusing interpretations of law with questions of guilt or innocence.

[Longwood50]

17 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No its about jurors finding Trump Org guilty on all 17 charges

Yep, and as said, Jurors found Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson not guilty. 
 

You are in a liberal state, and ultra liberal district in Manhattan.  You would be hard pressed to find jurors in Manhattan without a predjudice against Trump. 

Try the exact same case in Texas, and I would suspect you end up with a totally different verdict. 

One way or another, it is an example of the double standard in the USA where establishment people such as James Comey, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden etc are not even charged but the government as a weapon goes after people it deems enemies. 

 

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Yep, and as said, Jurors found Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson not guilty. 
 

You are in a liberal state, and ultra liberal district in Manhattan.  You would be hard pressed to find jurors in Manhattan without a predjudice against Trump. 

Try the exact same case in Texas, and I would suspect you end up with a totally different verdict. 

One way or another, it is an example of the double standard in the USA where establishment people such as James Comey, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden etc are not even charged but the government as a weapon goes after people it deems enemies. 

 

Rubbish, several House reps in NY are Republican. The notion that unbiased jurors can't be found is self evidently false.

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Try the exact same case in Texas, and I would suspect you end up with a totally different verdict. 

If your assumption is right, this election lawsuit will go the Republican way. Didn't even make it to the court consideration stage. 

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/11/texas-lawsuit-supreme-court-election-results/

Edited December 9, 2022 by Eric Loh
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[Bkk Brian]

52 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Yep, and as said, Jurors found Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson not guilty. 
 

You are in a liberal state, and ultra liberal district in Manhattan.  You would be hard pressed to find jurors in Manhattan without a predjudice against Trump. 

Try the exact same case in Texas, and I would suspect you end up with a totally different verdict. 

One way or another, it is an example of the double standard in the USA where establishment people such as James Comey, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden etc are not even charged but the government as a weapon goes after people it deems enemies. 

 

Hilarious, MAGA, election deniers and now criminal fraud deniers. Oh the eternal victims you lot are and its not even started yet...........

[Longwood50]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hilarious, MAGA, election deniers and now criminal fraud deniers. Oh the eternal victims you lot are and its not even started yet......

You thinking that somehow the USA judicial system is not flawed, has political bias is what is hillarious.  One only has to look at the 9th circuit supposedly as one of the highest US courts filled with the best and brightest. 

From 2010 to 2015, of the cases it accepted to review, the Supreme Court reversed around 79% of the cases from the Ninth Circuit, 
 

But somehow you believe that untrained jurors hearing the evidence presented by a very biased New York prosecuting attorney were infallable. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

You thinking that somehow the USA judicial system is not flawed, has political bias is what is hillarious.  One only has to look at the 9th circuit supposedly as one of the highest US courts filled with the best and brightest. 

From 2010 to 2015, of the cases it accepted to review, the Supreme Court reversed around 79% of the cases from the Ninth Circuit, 
 

But somehow you believe that untrained jurors hearing the evidence presented by a very biased New York prosecuting attorney were infallable. 

Its ok, honestly, Trump agree's with you so you have a backer..............ooooops

[ozimoron]

14 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

You thinking that somehow the USA judicial system is not flawed, has political bias is what is hillarious.  One only has to look at the 9th circuit supposedly as one of the highest US courts filled with the best and brightest. 

From 2010 to 2015, of the cases it accepted to review, the Supreme Court reversed around 79% of the cases from the Ninth Circuit, 
 

But somehow you believe that untrained jurors hearing the evidence presented by a very biased New York prosecuting attorney were infallable. 

You are thinking somehow that's it's always flawed. Could we at least meet in the middle here?

 

The supreme court is way partisan. I'd trust the circuit courts much more.

Edited December 9, 2022 by ozimoron

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

You thinking that somehow the USA judicial system is not flawed, has political bias is what is hillarious.  One only has to look at the 9th circuit supposedly as one of the highest US courts filled with the best and brightest. 

From 2010 to 2015, of the cases it accepted to review, the Supreme Court reversed around 79% of the cases from the Ninth Circuit, 
 

But somehow you believe that untrained jurors hearing the evidence presented by a very biased New York prosecuting attorney were infallable. 

Don't look at the courts, look at the man and his history of legal cases over 3 decades. Trump and his businesses had involved in 3,500 legal cases in US Federal and state courts. Of the 3,500 legal cases, Trump or one of his companies were plintiffs in 1,900, defendents in 1,450 and bankruptcy third party or other in 150. This conviction is just the progression of his history of corruption. 

[Longwood50]

34 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Don't look at the courts, look at the man and his history of legal cases over 3 decades

There are 500 companies in the Trump organization So 3,500 suits translates into 7 suits per company over a 30 year span.

 

By contrast Geico a single insurance company had 7,665 suits over a two year span.  Does that make them "guilty"

If accusations and lawsuits were the litmus test for guilt, Hillary Clinton would be wearing an orange jump suit long ago. 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

There are 500 companies in the Trump organization So 3,500 suits translates into 7 suits per company over a 30 year span.

 

By contrast Geico a single insurance company had 7,665 suits over a two year span.  Does that make them "guilty"

If accusations and lawsuits were the litmus test for guilt, Hillary Clinton would be wearing an orange jump suit long ago. 

Does having to pay $25 million to victims of his fraudulent university ring a bell? Casino going broke without paying creditors.

[Longwood50]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

You are thinking somehow that's it's always flawed. Could we at least meet in the middle here?

 

The supreme court is way partisan. I'd trust the circuit courts much more.

So what you are saying is that courts have "bias"  

That is exactly my point.  If the Trump trial had occured in Dallas Texas instead of Manhattan with the same evidence, it might have been a totally different verdict. 
 

Consider in Dallas a man walked into a Dallas County Jail crazed and asking for help.  He was on drugs and subdued by deputies one who placed his knee on the neck of the man.  It was capured on video.  According to the medical examiner’s office, Hutcheson, 48, died from the "combined toxic effects of cocaine and meth compounded by hypertensive cardiovascular disease [high blood pressure] and physiologic stress associated with struggle and restraint. His death was ruled a homicide.  Sound familiar.  No charges were filed against the officers, the grand jury though the medical examiner ruled it a homicide said they could not discount his drug use.  A Minneapolis jury in a case virtually identical and with a drug more powerful than cocaine found the officer guilty of murder. 

So saying the Trump jury's verdict is infallible is about as credible as saying the OJ Simpson verdict was infallible. 

 

[Longwood50]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Does having to pay $25 million to victims of his fraudulent university ring a bell? Casino going broke without paying creditors.

Do you recognize that often times companies pay settlements rather than go through protracted litigation. 

Also if paying a settlement makes the person guilty is Bill Clinton then guilty of sexual assault or did his "settlement" not mean the same as Trumps

Also if worthless degrees and fraudulent practices were pursued against all the nations colleges, those degrees in Gender Equity, Excercise Science, Creative Writing, Tourism, Creative Writing and Anthropology And Archeology  should also pay back their students for peddling degrees that students spent millions of dollars only to find out in the job market they were worthless. 

Again, you have a person "targeted" for lawsuits.  That is one way to punish your political opponent is to keep them constantly engaged in legal battles and of course congressional hearings. 

Edited December 9, 2022 by Longwood50

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

If accusations and lawsuits were the litmus test for guilt, Hillary Clinton would be wearing an orange jump suit long ago. 

He tried a lawsuit with Clinton, never worked

 

Judge hits Trump lawyers with $50,000 fines over tossed Clinton lawsuit

"This cannot be attributed to incompetent lawyering. It was a deliberate use of the judicial system to pursue a political agenda."

Middlebrooks called their lawsuit a "two-hundred page political manifesto" that "contained factual allegations that were either knowingly false or made in reckless disregard for the truth."

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/11/trump-clinton-lawsuit-lawyers-sanctions

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4 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You thinking that somehow the USA judicial system is not flawed, has political bias is what is hillarious.  One only has to look at the 9th circuit supposedly as one of the highest US courts filled with the best and brightest. 

From 2010 to 2015, of the cases it accepted to review, the Supreme Court reversed around 79% of the cases from the Ninth Circuit, 
 

But somehow you believe that untrained jurors hearing the evidence presented by a very biased New York prosecuting attorney were infallable. 

Once again, your assumption about bias in the 9th circuit court rests on the laughable assumption that the Supreme Court is not biased.

As for the prosecuting attorneys being biased, what's really a shame is that the Trump organization didn't have any lawyers to counter the case they made...oh wait a minute...

Edited December 9, 2022 by placeholder

[In Full Agreement]

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Donald Trump wasn't fingered in any criminal case.

Fortunately it's far from over.     There's he very real the possibility Mr. Dump could be tied up in criminal proceedings for the remainder of his life.     Besides the stress that'd cause him,  seeing him lose his precious money in trial costs would be entertaining to some.

 

Everything out of his mouth is deny, deny, deny,   even when a contention is clearly on video tape with voice recording

he just makes up another lie and moves on.  On a personal level I know of no other person with a greater penchant for lying than Donald Dump. 

 

Some fact checking organizations have estimated his lying at up to 31 lies a day.

[Rimmer]

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21 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Do you recognize that often times companies pay settlements rather than go through protracted litigation. 

Also if paying a settlement makes the person guilty is Bill Clinton then guilty of sexual assault or did his "settlement" not mean the same as Trumps

Also if worthless degrees and fraudulent practices were pursued against all the nations colleges, those degrees in Gender Equity, Excercise Science, Creative Writing, Tourism, Creative Writing and Anthropology And Archeology  should also pay back their students for peddling degrees that students spent millions of dollars only to find out in the job market they were worthless. 

Again, you have a person "targeted" for lawsuits.  That is one way to punish your political opponent is to keep them constantly engaged in legal battles and of course congressional hearings. 

The Trump organization lied about the professional qualifications of its instructors. Were a university to do that, they could also be sued. Your nonsense about university degrees being worthless in respect to gaining employment has nothing to do whether or not promises were fulfilled.

Edited December 10, 2022 by placeholder

[rudi49jr]

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You must not have been conscious during Trump’s four years as president. Or even after that, because every time he opens his mouth in public, or goes on truth social, he still goes on and on and on about the 2020 election being stolen from him. Oddly enough he never provides a shred of evidence for that claim. I wonder why that is….

[billd766]

On 12/9/2022 at 5:48 PM, Longwood50 said:

There are 500 companies in the Trump organization So 3,500 suits translates into 7 suits per company over a 30 year span.

 

By contrast Geico a single insurance company had 7,665 suits over a two year span.  Does that make them "guilty"

If accusations and lawsuits were the litmus test for guilt, Hillary Clinton would be wearing an orange jump suit long ago. 

A very poor attempt at diversion.

 

The subject of the thread is this  

 

 

and nothing to do with Geico.

 

Please try to stick with the story and not misleading other stories.

 

Everything else you have posted is Off Topic, as usual.

[Scott]

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