21 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

"we suspect..."

 

Kind of says it all, doesn't it? About this article plus about climate alarmism in general.

 

The article DID also  add a couple of other, less than environmentally friendly, tidbits about our Greta's voyage. It generated a LOT of plastic waste from the estimated 200 prepackaged meals the crew of the yacht ate. Plus the carbon footprint of Ahnold's Tesla, which he generously lent her.   All in all, quite a climate catastrophe.

 

And it could simply have been avoided by staying home and doing the whole thing on Zoom. 

I link to a site that is heavily oil industry bias yet..................

 

LOL, so everything in the article is ok except for this snippet saying "we suspect" give me a break.

 

It concludes "While Greta’s carbon footprint isn’t as small as she’d like due to her extensive travels, her carbon footprint is likely smaller than most."

 

Zoom, wasn't even a big thing in 2019 before the pandemic, it only took off (tripled) in 2020. Besides which the conference was for attendees not Zoom meets.

 

However you'll note she has not attended subsequent ones. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Online video calls .?

No need to travel anywhere to make a speech 

It's about impact and publicity. And, I daresay, if all Thunberg did was stay at home and communicate electronically, then she would be castigated for asking other people to make sacrifices that she wouldn't make herself.

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

 

Zoom, wasn't even a big thing in 2019 before the pandemic, it only took off (tripled) in 2020.  However you'll note she has not attended subsequent ones. 

There were facilities to do video calls in 2019 , video call facilities have been available for 20 odd years . 

   BTW, Zoom was available in 2019 and was worth 1 Billion $ as the company  was formed in 2011 

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

There were facilities to do video calls in 2019 , video call facilities have been available for 20 odd years . 

   BTW, Zoom was available in 2019 and was worth 1 Billion $ as the company  was formed in 2011 

Was it updated for mass meetings in 2019?

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1253972/zoom-daily-meeting-participants-global/

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's about impact and publicity. And, I daresay, if all Thunberg did was stay at home and communicate electronically, then she would be castigated for asking other people to make sacrifices that she wouldn't make herself.

Nearly everyone watched the footage on their screens , whether it be their televisions or computers and it wouldn't have made nay difference had the footage of her  been taken at her home . 

   "I shouldn't have to be here .................................you stole my Childhood"

   Stay at home and make a video call then sweetie  

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Nearly everyone watched the footage on their screens , whether it be their televisions or computers and it wouldn't have made nay difference had the footage of her  been taken at her home . 

   "I shouldn't have to be here .................................you stole my Childhood"

   Stay at home and make a video call then sweetie  

How does nearly everyone watching this event on their screens differ from any newsworthy event?

Edited January 18, 20233 yr by placeholder

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Was it updated for mass meetings in 2019?

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1253972/zoom-daily-meeting-participants-global/

No , it became very popular in 2020 due to covid restrictions and lockdowns .

  Video calls were widely used in 2019 , even Facebook had them in about 2010

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No , it became very popular in 2020 due to covid restrictions and lockdowns .

  Video calls were widely used in 2019 , even Facebook had them in about 2010

Not one to many I think. And it doesn't have the impact that a live appearance does. Maybe that's the point of this argument.

Edited January 18, 20233 yr by ozimoron

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No , it became very popular in 2020 due to covid restrictions and lockdowns .

  Video calls were widely used in 2019 , even Facebook had them in about 2010

Exactly so my post stands "Zoom, wasn't even a big thing in 2019 before the pandemic, it only took off (tripled) in 2020." 

 

Facebook, how many participants in a video chat in 2019? How many were at the conference? Or were you only expecting Greta to do this via video and everyone else attend?

 

What exactly is your point?

Edited January 18, 20233 yr by Bkk Brian

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Exactly so my post stands "Zoom, wasn't even a big thing in 2019 before the pandemic, it only took off (tripled) in 2020." 

 

Facebook, how many participants in a video chat in 2019? How many were at the conference? Or were you only expecting Greta to do this via video and everyone else attend?

 

What exactly is your point?

Suggesting that she really didn't have to attend in person. Kind of related to voter suppression. LOL

Edited January 18, 20233 yr by ozimoron

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Exactly so my post stands "Zoom, wasn't even a big thing in 2019 before the pandemic, it only took off (tripled) in 2020." 

 

Facebook, how many participants in a video chat in 2019? How many were at the conference? Or were you only expecting Greta to do this via video and everyone else attend?

 

What exactly is your point?

Greta didn't need to attend the conference personally, she could have done the speech by video call , is my point .

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Greta didn't need to attend the conference personally, she could have done the speech by video call , is my point .

Why should she be discriminated against? She did what was intended.

 

“Speaking as a climate change scientist who has been working on this issue for 20 years and saying the same thing for 20 years, she is getting people to listen, which we have failed to do,” said Saleemul Huq, director of the International Centre for Climate Change & Development in Bangladesh.

 

 

From her attendance at the Conference

Climate scientists say Greta Thunberg's efforts are building real momentum

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/climate-scientists-say-greta-thunberg-s-efforts-are-building-real-ncna1059321

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Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Why should she be discriminated against? She did what was intended.

 

 

She was one of the few people privileged to be able to speak and an international conference , she got a free boat ride across the ocean.................and you are talking about "discrimination" ?

   Is she had led by example and made a video call, maybe everyone else would do the same at subsequent meetings ?

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

She was one of the few people privileged to be able to speak and an international conference , she got a free boat ride across the ocean.................and you are talking about "discrimination" ?

   Is she had led by example and made a video call, maybe everyone else would do the same at subsequent meetings ?

The point of these meetings is to draw wider attention to problems. Video conferences don't make for compelling viewing.

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

She was one of the few people privileged to be able to speak and an international conference , she got a free boat ride across the ocean.................and you are talking about "discrimination" ?

   Is she had led by example and made a video call, maybe everyone else would do the same at subsequent meetings ?

Yes I'm talking about discrimination:

 

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Greta didn't need to attend the conference personally, she could have done the speech by video call , is my point .

The results that I linked to prove  her attendance worked

Edited January 18, 20233 yr by Bkk Brian

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I'm talking about discrimination:

 

 

I did notice that, thanks for confirming anyway

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The point of these meetings is to draw wider attention to problems. Video conferences don't make for compelling viewing.

It all looks the same when we are watching on our screens back home 

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

I did notice that, thanks for confirming anyway

My pleasure, next time look at the achievements that she did by her attendance and her low carbon footprint in doing so as already linked to

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It all looks the same when we are watching on our screens back home 

What looks the same? People physically gathered in one place to protest look the same as someone speaking via video to other people watching via video? Really? Maybe you're watching the news on a repurposed Pong screen?

53 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Nearly everyone watched the footage on their screens , whether it be their televisions or computers and it wouldn't have made nay difference had the footage of her  been taken at her home . 

   "I shouldn't have to be here .................................you stole my Childhood"

   Stay at home and make a video call then sweetie  

Oh, nice patronising passive aggressive comment towards what was a child at that time. A child who travelled by yacht over 15 days through rough seas on a boat with no engine, no toilet, no cooking facilities, to avoid being a hypocrite. You think "sweetie" should have stayed at home and dialed in. Righty Ho. What about the 200-300-500 (?) delegates who traveled to this climate action summit mostly by private jet, stayed in 5-star hotels eating imported food (imported by air). Don't you think they could have dialed in too?

 

Or is your claim of hypocrisy only applicable for 16 year old "sweeties" with Aspergers who travelled there and back with great sacrifices and not at any of the (let's face it) middle aged men who also attended when they didn't need to?

The invective this principled girl invokes in misogynistic right wing men is quite amusing to see. She is an inspiration to the younger generation who will ultimately have the future power to affect real change so good on her.

 

What have you achieved on a comparable scale? On an even remotely related scale? On any scale? Instead of acknowledging what she has done you just criticise her for doing it. How many 16 year old girls with a disability have that kind of drive and passion? How many 16 year old girls with a disability can sail 15 days across the Atlantic and deliver such a speech about what they believe in?

We should applaud them not put them down by calling them "sweetie" - it is actually quite disgusting and appalling. Why are you guys so triggered? I thought it was only the "woke" who got so triggered? Seems not.

Edited January 18, 20233 yr by josephbloggs
Typo

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What looks the same? People physically gathered in one place to protest look the same as someone speaking via video to other people watching via video? Really? Maybe you're watching the news on a repurposed Pong screen?

She could have given her speech from home online and it would have looked the same as when she was there . 

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Oh, nice patronising passive aggressive comment towards what was a child at that time. A child who travelled by yacht over 15 days through rough seas on a boat with no engine, no toilet, no cooking facilities, to avoid being a hypocrite. You think "sweetie" should have stayed at home and dialed in. Righty Ho. What about the 200-300-500 (?) delegates who traveled to this climate action summit mostly by private jet, stayed in 5-star hotels eating imported food (imported by air). Don't you think they could have dialed in too?

 

Yes, they could have all done the meeting online 

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

She could have given her speech from home online and it would have looked the same as when she was there . 

More people would watch it on TV than some online video conference.

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

The invective this principled girl invokes in misogynistic right wing men is quite amusing to see.

Now stop being silly , I don't hate females , her gender is irrelevant .

  Another one of those "If you disagree with a persons action then you must hate their race/gender/sexuality and so you must agree with anyone who is not the same as you or youre racist/misogynistic ect" 

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

More people would watch it on TV than some online video conference.

They can broadcast the video conference on television , same as they did with the actual live conference 

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

She could have given her speech from home online and it would have looked the same as when she was there . 

Really? Including this?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1615418010558144512

 

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, they could have all done the meeting online 

And they could all have watched each other. 

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Now stop being silly , I don't hate females , her gender is irrelevant .

  Another one of those "If you disagree with a persons action then you must hate their race/gender/sexuality and so you must agree with anyone who is not the same as you or youre racist/misogynistic ect" 

So you don't think most of the attacks on her are by misogynistic right wing men? Really?

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Now stop being silly , I don't hate females , her gender is irrelevant .

  Another one of those "If you disagree with a persons action then you must hate their race/gender/sexuality and so you must agree with anyone who is not the same as you or youre racist/misogynistic ect" 

Does this sentence look familiar?

  Stay at home and make a video call then sweetie  

I don't recall you using the term "sweetie" for any male figures in the news. 

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Does this sentence look familiar?

  Stay at home and make a video call then sweetie  

I don't recall you using the term "sweetie" for any male figures in the news. 

OK, Jeremy Clarkson is a sweetie , happy now ?