GOP targets drag shows with new bills in at least 14 states

[billd766]

1 hour ago, roo860 said:

Bernard Manning.

They probably could not find a bell tent big enough to turn into a dress for him.

[roo860]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

They probably could not find a bell tent big enough to turn into a dress for him.

Proper comedian!

[ozimoron]

36 minutes ago, 300sd said:

This has nothing to do with bigotry on my end. Nor am I saying that it teaches children to become homosexual. That is what you are thinking. This may not hurt children. I don't see how it could help them. You tell me how this would be good for children. Oh and while you're at it, do you think it's ok to put them in the back of your pick up with the dogs, or smoke in the car with them....no it's not the same is it, not for you!

Not seeing how it can help them is justification for nanny state bans like this? Does sitting on Santa's knee help them? Why not ban that? 

 

I'll tell you how it can help them. It can reinforce the notion that being gay is not an abnormal part of society which should be shunned and kept in closets, important for the mental development of children.

 

While I hate anecdotes, here is one which might illustrate just how harmless this is. I very clearly remember that when in kindergarten my teachers had a cow because I wanted to push the prams around a concrete path with the girls instead of plating football with the boys. Quite simply, I liked the girls. I grew up straight as a die so the experience was obviously not formative or negative in any way., 

Edited February 15, 2023 by ozimoron

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Not seeing how it can help them is justification for nanny state bans like this? Does sitting on Santa's knee help them? Why not ban that? 

Don't forget... They're supposedly the party of small government and reduced regulation -- except when it comes to attacking people of different ethnicities, nationalities and sexual persuasions.

[300sd]

52 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And it helps children by showing them there is more than the two obvious genders and it's not to be feared. It teaches tolerance and understanding; something a lot of you guys could have done with by the sounds of it. 

So thanks for your reply. I was almost agreeing with you until the last part.  Children are quite intelligent and they seem to be mostly tolerant and understand a lot of this stuff on their own. You know, they don't see colour, grown ups do. They're pretty good at understanding stuff. Not sure why you have to rub their nose in it! It's the parents perhaps that want to fit in. Just saying. Oh and thanks for the knife in the last part. My brother was gay and I loved him dearly. 

[300sd]

49 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'll tell you how it can help them. It can reinforce the notion that being gay is not an abnormal part of society which should be shunned and kept in closets, important for the mental development of children.

Like I said this has nothing to do with being gay. Children mostly have the understanding that being gay is not abnormal. Being "shunned or kept in closets". Really. I thought that kind of thinking vanished long ago. But then that's just what I thought. What's important is not screwing up their mental development.

[ozimoron]

Just now, 300sd said:

Like I said this has nothing to do with being gay. Children mostly have the understanding that being gay is not abnormal. Being "shunned or kept in closets". Really. I thought that kind of thinking vanished long ago. But then that's just what I thought. What's important is not screwing up their mental development.

Exactly how does exposing a child to a normal of society in a non sexualised manner "screw up their mental development"?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Children mostly have the understanding that being gay is not abnormal. Being "shunned or kept in closets". Really. I thought that kind of thinking vanished long ago.

Obviously you haven't familiarized yourself with Florida or any number of other GOP-led morality crusade states in the U.S.

 

"Don't Say Gay": Florida schools purge library books with LGBTQ characters

 

" Florida schools are using the law to justify the erasure of LGBTQ people. Public records obtained by Popular Information through the Florida Freedom to Read Project reveal that several Florida schools have already removed books with LGBTQ characters from their libraries, citing the Parental Rights in Education Act. Further, training materials produced by the Florida Department of Education for librarians reveal that the DeSantis administration is encouraging this expansive interpretation of the law."

 

https://popular.info/p/dont-say-gay-florida-schools-purge

 

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

As well as....

 

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in April signed the "Stop WOKE" act, which restricts lessons and training on race and diversity in schools and in the workplace, particularly anything that discusses privilege or oppression based on race, or whether someone "bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress" due to U.S. racial history. WOKE in the bill stands for "Wrongs to Our Kids and Employees."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/florida-schools-directed-cover-remove-classroom-books-vetted/story?id=96884323

 

Roberto Clemente book removed from Florida public schools pending review over discrimination references

“His story is his story. He went through racism. It’s something that can’t be changed,” Clemente's son, Roberto Clemente Jr., told NBC News.

 

A book about late Afro-Puerto Rican MLB legend Roberto Clemente can't be found in the shelves of public school libraries in Florida's Duval County these days.

 

“Roberto Clemente: Pride of the Pittsburgh Pirates” by Jonah Winter and Raúl Colón — and other books about Latino figures such as the late Afro-Cuban salsa singer Celia Cruz and Justice Sonia Sotomayor — are among the more than 1 million titles that have been "covered or stored and paused for student use” at the Duval County Public Schools District, according to Chief Academic Officer Paula Renfro.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/roberto-clemente-book-removed-florida-public-schools-rcna70081

 

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

So thanks for your reply. I was almost agreeing with you until the last part.  Children are quite intelligent and they seem to be mostly tolerant and understand a lot of this stuff on their own. You know, they don't see colour, grown ups do. They're pretty good at understanding stuff. Not sure why you have to rub their nose in it! It's the parents perhaps that want to fit in. Just saying. Oh and thanks for the knife in the last part. My brother was gay and I loved him dearly. 

But children aren't intelligent are they? If fact they're really quite stupid. This is why they go to school and get taught stuff. If left to their own devices children would at best mess up a classroom or at worst it's Lord of The Flies.

 

If you teach and show a child ignorance, bigotry, racism and hate you will get an ignorant, racist, bigot of an adult and lets admit we've already got enough of those. Show a child kindness, understanding, tolerance and that 'different' isn't neccessarily bad, then you might just help a child that has been feeling 'different' and steer them in a very positive way.   

 

I see no issue in drag queens reading childrens books to children. And I also think drag queens 'twerking in kids faces' is absolute nonsense and completely made up and I certainly don't see a need to demonise drag queens in what is an obvious political stunt to rile up the homophobes and the bigots.

 

Because that's exactly what this is and as the brother of (I assume) an openly gay person, I would have hoped you would have been able to spot the very same tactics being used here that have been used to demonise the gay community since year dot. It wasn't good then and it's certainly not good now. 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, 300sd said:

Like I said this has nothing to do with being gay. Children mostly have the understanding that being gay is not abnormal. Being "shunned or kept in closets". Really. I thought that kind of thinking vanished long ago. But then that's just what I thought. What's important is not screwing up their mental development.

Anti LGBTQ stuff has certainly not vanished. Witness the actions of the American fascist party. Putin's Russia and many other countries across the world, probably most severe in Africa. 

[Credo]

These right-wingers have an abnormal interest in drag queens, transsexuals and gays.  It seems that research shows, they are the ones spending the most time viewing it on sites like pornhub:

 

Data Finds Republicans are Obsessed with Searching for Transgender Porn

Closet Cases – Republicans secretly love what they publicly hate

So far in 2022, more than 300 anti-LGBT bills have been proposed across 36 states – at least one third of which are directed at trans youth. This surge, especially in anti-trans legislation from Republicans, stands in stark contrast to a startling fact.

Republicans love transgender porn, A LOT.

With more than 4.7 Million transgender porn related Google searches each month (per Ahrefs.com), do Republicans represent those searching most? The answer seems to be a clear YES.

 

https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender-pornography/

 

The red state gay porn habit: Why conservative states like Mississippi and North Carolina lead the nation in same-sex porn consumption

Mississippi and North Carolina recently passed some of the harshest laws in the nation targeting the LGBT community. As statistics from PornHub show, congressmen might be legislating against queer and trans people, but their constituencies sure do love to watch them have sex.

 

https://www.salon.com/2016/05/21/the_red_state_gay_porn_habit_why_conservative_states_like_mississippi_and_north_carolina_lead_the_nation_in_same_sex_porn_consumption/

 

Data Finds Republican States Are ‘Obsessed’ With Searching For Transgender Porn While Voting Against Trans Rights

According to the Human Rights Campaign, more than 300 anti-LGBTQ+ bills have been introduced this year, 2022 — many of which directly and implicity attack the transgender community.

These laws have prodominently been introduced in states dominated by Republican influence and show an increasingly aggresive dismantling of years of progress toward equality for all LGBTQ+ folk.

Despite the clear hatred towards the queer and transgender communities that Republicans show on the surface,

https://www.yourtango.com/news/data-shows-republicans-search-transgender-porn-high-volumes

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

My "laughing" emoticon above is expressing my mirth at the prior post and its multiple very interesting news reports....

 

My my... what those conservatives and Republicans are up to behind closed doors when they're not out trying to persecute and discriminate against gays and people of other sexual preferences....

 

It seems, they doth protest too much!

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

In the U.K. dedicated drag acts (female impersonators) like Danny LaRue, Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage appeared regularly on t.v., even in Conservative Britain.  If the content was deemed racy they would appear after 9pm , the so-called watershed. No one died.

They didn't perform in schools or libraries for kids though. Not sure why this is necessary now. 

[CG1 Blue]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Exactly how does exposing a child to a normal of society in a non sexualised manner "screw up their mental development"?

A drag performance is not a normal of society though is it. Men dressing up in extravagant women's clothing and makeup, making exaggerated (usually over sexualised) female gestures. Is that a good portrayal of women in society - a good message for kids? 

 

Drag shows are entertainment for some adults (although I've never understood the appeal), not educational shows for children. 

 

If you want to push for educational Trans speakers going into schools to fight for their cause, fill yer boots. But arguing for drag performances?

 

I think you lefties are taking the LGBT argument too far and doing more damage than good for equality in the process. 

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

A drag performance is not a normal of society though is it. Men dressing up in extravagant women's clothing and makeup, making exaggerated (usually over sexualised) female gestures. Is that a good portrayal of women in society - a good message for kids? 

 

Drag shows are entertainment for some adults (although I've never understood the appeal), not educational shows for children. 

 

If you want to push for educational Trans speakers going into schools to fight for their cause, fill yer boots. But arguing for drag performances?

 

I think you lefties are taking the LGBT argument too far and doing more damage than good for equality in the process. 

Why isn't it "normal" and why is it not a good message for kids? Transvestites are a normal part of society and normally dress as women (or men). You're so consumed by your  obsession that gay is not normal that you naturally assume that such things as the way they dress are abnormal. 

 

This isn't about sex so the suggestion that it's not appropriate in schools is just a diversion. We are talking about clothes and make up alone, not discussing sex. I guess your head would explode if a transvestite teacher was teaching your kid? 

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by ozimoron

[bendejo]

Strictly my own opinion, I think this whole drag queen story hour thing is something the conservatives set up as an anvil to beat the LGBT crowd against.

 

 

[bendejo]

Pretty scary bunch, those trannies!