Thai woman faces federal charges for fleeing the United States after Michigan hit and run death

[Seeall]

2 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

Sadly the Thai woman made a big mistake in fleeing the country? If she had called 911 and helped the poor guy, even if he had died, would have looked favorably in the eyes of the Judge/court?

Now when she gets back to the USA, she is potentially looking at serious jail time?

Lack of education of other cultures... look at some cultures (most know which) if you stop and assist you are interfering with the divine plan and  will, thus its now your responsibility (or you become a part of it ... )I have seen babies squashed and nobody assist... The worlkd is not all like you think..   Thinks cops are all the same, cant blame her for that..  

Edited February 18, 2023 by Seeall

[Iron Tongue]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Well, seems every little accident makes the 'news' here on AN 

If I was to stump my toe, I'd expect an AN news van outside the house ????

This event made the national news in the US.  When I read it, of course I knew that some perpetually angry folks here would somehow turn it into a condemnation of the US.

But the moronic thing was that this appeared to be an accident.  Had she stayed and called the police, this kid may not have bled out and died on the side of a road.  And even if there was nothing that could have been done, she may not have been charged at all, or would have likely been given probation.

[NorthernRyland]

5 minutes ago, Seeall said:

Lack of education of other cultures... look at some cultures (most know which) if you stop and assist you are interfering with the divine plan and  will, thus its now your responsibility (or you become a part of it ... )

Thai's appear to me to be living life in a little bubble which contains themselves and their most immediate family and friends. Outside the bubble it's like survival in the jungle where you can never really trust another person and therefore have little empathy for them.

 

You can see this on display anytime you come to an intersection without a traffic light and how they push and shove their way through while sizing up the other vehicles by physical size and intents. In a civil society you have respect for each other and follow agreed up rules but Thailand is not.

[NorthernRyland]

9 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said:

Had she stayed and called the police, this kid may not have bled out and died on the side of a road.  And even if there was nothing that could have been done, she may not have been charged at all, or would have likely been given probation.

It sounds like this was a legit accident and no one was at fault in the initial incident. Everyone knows to not walk on the side of the road in the dark and it may have even been the pedestrians fault according that states law.

 

Her fleeing the country changes this 100% and shows a clear and certain malice and disregard for human life. It's hard to compare but you're getting close to murder now in my opinion.

[Tengu]

I certainly hope that the Michigan court looks at a felon hit and run, in the early hours of 1 January, which makes me think, probable DWI, more seriously than the victim's father who described it as an accident. 

Perhaps the father, an ER physician, has seen enough of these and read the autopsy report realized that his son was dead at the scene and doesn't want to relive the grief himself and especially that of the mother.

I'm not an attorney and don''t know US federal or Michigan law but I can certainly imagine that both would consider, IMO correctly, the fleeing of the jurisdiction by a person involved in the loss of someone's life would be a felony. Even if the victim were to be found to have had a blood alcohol content above the legal limit, the fleeing driver should spend a serious amount of time in jail if for no other reason than to reinforce the spirt of the law.

This isn't Thailand. Bt100,000 and saying sorry doesn't cut it here unless you're mighty powerful and wealthy. I still think Senator Ted Kennedy should have been sent to jail and lost his senate seat. Yes I am that old and no I wasn't then and I am not now a Republican.

[Chongalulu]

8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You're "informed decision" would be speculation unless you've got a crystal ball.

 

"So you only rely on personal anecdotal evidence as a basis for your opinions?"

No, I do not rely on anecdotal evidence, I rely on empirical evidence and rationalised logic.  I think you don't really understand the meaning of "anecdotal" (without evidence).

My ‘crystal ball' is the widely publicised RTA statistics pertaining to both countries ! 
You say you rely on ‘empirical evidence and rationalised logic' but don’t seem to understand in practice what they mean (there is such evidence on levels of corruption by country on transparency.org which I’ve already pointed out. As YOU similarly also don’t understand "anecdotal evidence " which isn’t "without evidence " (sic) but refers to evidence gleaned from personal experiences/accounts. Hence the term " anecdotal evidence ". Here is the actual definition for your education.

"of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research."

Any further education I’m obliged to provide will from henceforth be chargeable..

 

[Smokey and the Bandit]

21 minutes ago, Seeall said:

Lack of education of other cultures... look at some cultures (most know which) if you stop and assist you are interfering with the divine plan and  will, thus its now your responsibility (or you become a part of it ... )I have seen babies squashed and nobody assist... The worlkd is not all like you think..   Thinks cops are all the same, cant blame her for that..  

The culture in the USA is if you hit a person you stop, call 911 and try and help! She has zero excuse!

[tandor]

4 minutes ago, Tengu said:

I certainly hope that the Michigan court looks at a felon hit and run, in the early hours of 1 January, which makes me think, probable DWI, more seriously than the victim's father who described it as an accident. 

Perhaps the father, an ER physician, has seen enough of these and read the autopsy report realized that his son was dead at the scene and doesn't want to relive the grief himself and especially that of the mother.

I'm not an attorney and don''t know US federal or Michigan law but I can certainly imagine that both would consider, IMO correctly, the fleeing of the jurisdiction by a person involved in the loss of someone's life would be a felony. Even if the victim were to be found to have had a blood alcohol content above the legal limit, the fleeing driver should spend a serious amount of time in jail if for no other reason than to reinforce the spirt of the law.

This isn't Thailand. Bt100,000 and saying sorry doesn't cut it here unless you're mighty powerful and wealthy. I still think Senator Ted Kennedy should have been sent to jail and lost his senate seat. Yes I am that old and no I wasn't then and I am not now a Republican.

Regardless of what the father says or wants, the FBI want her, end of story

[KhunLA]

35 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said:

This event made the national news in the US. 

You should quote my 'whole' reply, to someone else, not the title of thread, but then that wouldn't fit into your spin.

[arick]

Good book her.. 

[Jonathan Swift]

I’m from the US. She’ll do some serious jail time for sure, vehicular homicide is no joke, fleeing the country made this very bad in the eyes of the law.

[metisdead]

Off topic deflection posts about a US woman in the UK have been removed.

[NorthernRyland]

14 minutes ago, Jonathan Swift said:

fleeing the country made this very bad in the eyes of the law.

...and in the eyes of the general American population.

[maddox41]

My brakes not work? 

Thai thinking do a ???? 

And Big joke was there to get some TV time  as he is a show boat. 

She did wrong and has to now accept the consequences that simple 

No flowers and a 5000 b cheque will make this go away 

[In Full Agreement]

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, the US justice system has never been shown, or known, to be corrupt.

 

It becomes a matter of degree doesn't it?

 

[Iron Tongue]

1 hour ago, tandor said:

Regardless of what the father says or wants, the FBI want her, end of story

FBI?  

I think your understanding of US laws comes from the movies.

 

Investigation and retrieval of international fugitives falls within the jurisdiction of the Federal Marshal Service.

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

25 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said:

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, the US justice system has never been shown, or known, to be corrupt.

 

It becomes a matter of degree doesn't it?

No, a system is corrupt or it isn't.  

[marin]

9 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said:

FBI?  

I think your understanding of US laws comes from the movies.

Perhaps you should have read one or more of the articles published about her.

 

1.  

The FBI said a driver suspected in the hit-and-run killing of a 22-year-old in Oakland Township on New Year's Day has fled the country.

In a criminal complaint filed this week, the FBI alleges that Tubtim "Sue" Howson from Oakland Township fled to Thailand two days after the crash.

 

2.  The Oakland County Sheriff's Office is working with the FBI and calling on the Thai government to extradite Howson back to the states.

 

3  The FBI contacted the Royal Thai Police on Feb 12 to track her down as Thailand and the US have an extradition treaty. 

[BadSpottedDog]

4 hours ago, VinnieK said:

I put forward the theory that 99.9 % of the sheeple have no idea how to disappear for a few years.

She  returned to her hometown, probably her family home too..

Impossible to be found..????‍♂️????‍♂️

If you read the full article link, you'll see she has been arrested in Thailand, and will be extradited to the US to face charges. The victim's father (who's a doctor) has stated that while it WAS an accident, if she had stopped and tried to help and/or take him to a hospital, he might still alive.
Things are not going to go well for her.

[bradiston]

10 minutes ago, BadSpottedDog said:

If you read the full article link, you'll see she has been arrested in Thailand, and will be extradited to the US to face charges. The victim's father (who's a doctor) has stated that while it WAS an accident, if she had stopped and tried to help and/or take him to a hospital, he might still alive.
Things are not going to go well for her.

I don't think that is anything like admissible evidence unless given by an expert witness under oath. I'd declare a mistrial, and move it as far from Oakland county or wherever it happened, as possible. There'll be a lynch mob out for her. Asian? Maybe she saw that coming.

 

And they need to locate the Uber driver. What's his story? Hey, there's a whole new line of conjecture, guys. Maybe he pulled a gun? Maybe he was off his trolley. Maybe the Thai woman ..... Etc etc.

Edited February 18, 2023 by bradiston

[thailand49]

Guess she thought she do a reverse Red Bull?

Edited February 18, 2023 by thailand49

[Jai Dee]

Several posts containing petty bickering and some troll posts have been removed.

[sqwakvfr]

Thai woman and an American Citizen.  Thailand and the US have an extradition treaty so she really did not have a choice.  She fled after hitting the victim with her vehicle.  The case against is weaker now because any possible charge of DUI is not possible.  She will be tried for Vehicular Manslaughter and Felony Hit and Run by the Oakland County District Attorneys office.  Doubt she has a criminal record so at best 3 to 5 years in prison.  

[kingstonkid]

6 hours ago, gunner1 said:

unfortunately it is the Thai tradition to pull a runner when involved in any type of road accident! has been this way for fifty years that i have been in and around Thailand. during the Vietnam war, when a thai taxi was involved in an accident and had an American Passenger, the driver did a runner and the passenger became responsible for the victims hospital and "compensation" money!

 

To paraphrase you can take the Thai out if the country but you can not take the Thai culture out of the Thai.

[metisdead]

Another off topic post about the US woman involved in an accident in the UK and a reply has been removed.

[PETERTHEEATER]

One report states that she was picked up in Chonburi and another that she was arrested in Ratchaburi. Perhaps she has a split personality.

[thaikahuna]

Sadly, this lady is looking at a possible 5 more years for interstate flight to avoid prosecution on top of what state authorities give her, if convicted.

[phetphet]

8 hours ago, swm59nj said:

She claimed after the incident happened.  She was in shock.  The shock wasn’t severe enough I guess to keep a straight mind to make plans to flee to Thailand 

I bet she was in shock when she was arrested and told she would be extradited back to the US to face charges.

 

Now she faces imprisonment and the possibility of losing the right to live in the US.

[spidermike007]

Unlike in Thailand, in the US fleeing from the scene of a crime, much less one that causes death, is taken very seriously. Perhaps she will learn something from this. Perhaps years in prison will help her develop some maturity and substance as a human being. Perhaps it will help her to be less obsessed with herself and allow her to evolve into a person of care and compassion. Maybe. 

[Billybaroo]

13 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

Sadly the Thai woman made a big mistake in fleeing the country? If she had called 911 and helped the poor guy, even if he had died, would have looked favorably in the eyes of the Judge/court?

Now when she gets back to the USA, she is potentially looking at serious jail time?

Actually, her prison time will be both State and Federal. State time for Hit and Run w/ death and Federal, fleeing the country..