What It Looks Like When the Far Right Takes Control of Local Government

[Scott]

 

WEST OLIVE, Mich. — The agenda for the Ottawa County governing board’s most recent meeting here last week listed, among other issues, a roof repair and resurfacing contract, a budget calendar that needed setting and, from IT, a request to hire one more employee.

 

They were terrestrial concerns. But over the course of a meeting that ran more than four hours, public speaker after speaker in three-minute increments were debating something else entirely, something far more spiritual — to what extent their government should, or should not, pursue Judeo-Christian values.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/21/michigan-christian-nationalists-00083251

[thaibeachlovers]

and what is wrong with "Judeo- Christian values? Don't murder people, forgiveness, treat others as you wish to be treated etc seem worthy to me.

[taotoo]

I tend to ignore any article with "far right" in the title as it usually isn't.

[candide]

45 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what is wrong with "Judeo- Christian values? Don't murder people, forgiveness, treat others as you wish to be treated etc seem worthy to me.

Nothing wrong but It's a personal. matter. Ot do young think that a dominantly Muslim county should be governed according to Muslim values or Chinatown according to Taoist values?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what is wrong with "Judeo- Christian values? Don't murder people, forgiveness, treat others as you wish to be treated etc seem worthy to me.

Separation of church and state.  How do you keep a government that pursues what it perceives do be "Judeo-Christian values" from becoming a theocracy?

 

I've also noticed that the loudest "Christians" subscribe to Christianity a-la-carte.  They reject forgiveness seventy times seven and go for "an eye for an eye".  And of course they pretend Jesus never said that stuff about "harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle."

[Tug]

Imo this is the biggest reason why the Muslim world is such a mess how do you govern folks of different religions living in the same country it exactly imo why the founders inshrined it in our constitution that is why our country is governed by civil law keep religion the heck out of government 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what is wrong with "Judeo- Christian values? Don't murder people, forgiveness, treat others as you wish to be treated etc seem worthy to me.

What is wrong is that they shouldn't supplant other values. Christian nationalists are well accustomed to murder.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what is wrong with "Judeo- Christian values? Don't murder people, forgiveness, treat others as you wish to be treated etc seem worthy to me.

Nothing, but the Constitution separates the State from the Church.

 

Fits well with ‘treat (the beliefs of) others as you wish (your beliefs) to be treated’.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, taotoo said:

I tend to ignore any article with "far right" in the title as it usually isn't.

Except in this case it is.

 

Overriding the constitution to insert your own beliefs is pretty extreme.

[James105]

7 hours ago, Scott said:

The agenda for the Ottawa County governing board’s most recent meeting here last week listed, among other issues, a roof repair and resurfacing contract, a budget calendar that needed setting and, from IT, a request to hire one more employee.

Well you simply cannot get more "far right" than this.  Has anyone reported them to the FBI yet?   

[bendejo]

Jesus Saves

at your local Quikserve Market!

[show crucifix for 10% discount]

 

Now that is what you call a Christian value!

 

 

[SatEng]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what is wrong with "Judeo- Christian values? Don't murder people, forgiveness, treat others as you wish to be treated etc seem worthy to me.

A bit of education for you

Societies had laws against murder, theft and lying long before Moses :discovered" these on a mountain.

But why are there no commandments against rape, slavery and torture, it is because the bible, as written by people with 3000 years old values, actually condones and encourages this.

Read the extremely nasty text of how enemies are treated in deuteronomy, or samuel, or especially that of Hosea - which advocates child killing including of unborn children.

"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open."

Are these the sort of Judeo-christian values you want to encourage?

[thaibeachlovers]

36 minutes ago, SatEng said:

A bit of education for you

Societies had laws against murder, theft and lying long before Moses :discovered" these on a mountain.

But why are there no commandments against rape, slavery and torture, it is because the bible, as written by people with 3000 years old values, actually condones and encourages this.

Read the extremely nasty text of how enemies are treated in deuteronomy, or samuel, or especially that of Hosea - which advocates child killing including of unborn children.

"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open."

Are these the sort of Judeo-christian values you want to encourage?

All that is in the old testament which I discount. Actually I don't know why anyone says Judeo- Christian, as I'd prefer just Christian ( and don't get started on religion- stick to what the Christ is reported to have said ), but I was responding to the post that included Judeo- Christian in it.

[SatEng]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All that is in the old testament which I discount. Actually I don't know why anyone says Judeo- Christian, as I'd prefer just Christian ( and don't get started on religion- stick to what the Christ is reported to have said ), but I was responding to the post that included Judeo- Christian in it.

You asked - and I quote "what is wrong with Judeo-Christian values" and you have been told

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

Well you simply cannot get more "far right" than this.  Has anyone reported them to the FBI yet?   

It's a state issue.

 

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All that is in the old testament which I discount. Actually I don't know why anyone says Judeo- Christian, as I'd prefer just Christian ( and don't get started on religion- stick to what the Christ is reported to have said ), but I was responding to the post that included Judeo- Christian in it.

How about keep religion right away from government? No state assistance at all. That's what a secular society should be.

[SatEng]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All that is in the old testament which I discount. Actually I don't know why anyone says Judeo- Christian, as I'd prefer just Christian ( and don't get started on religion- stick to what the Christ is reported to have said ), but I was responding to the post that included Judeo- Christian in it.

Pick and choose whichever bit of the bible you want to try to make excuses but the new testament also condones slavery amongst other nastiness

Epistle of Paul to the Colossians 3-22: Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters and in whatever your task, work heartily.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, SatEng said:

You asked - and I quote "what is wrong with Judeo-Christian values" and you have been told

LOL. It was a rhetorical statement.

I doubt you can tell me much about that subject that I'm not aware of.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, SatEng said:

Pick and choose whichever bit of the bible you want to try to make excuses but the new testament also condones slavery amongst other nastiness

Epistle of Paul to the Colossians 3-22: Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters and in whatever your task, work heartily.

It's not the bible or the koran we need to worry about. It's modern religions.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, SatEng said:

Pick and choose whichever bit of the bible you want to try to make excuses but the new testament also condones slavery amongst other nastiness

Epistle of Paul to the Colossians 3-22: Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters and in whatever your task, work heartily.

Errr, slavery was the norm back then and pretty much every country did it.

 

BTW, Paul IMO had as much to do with the teachings of Christ as Santa, but this is getting to be off topic so 'nuff said about it.

You can discuss on the Do you believe in God thread if you want to.

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All that is in the old testament which I discount. Actually I don't know why anyone says Judeo- Christian, as I'd prefer just Christian ( and don't get started on religion- stick to what the Christ is reported to have said ), but I was responding to the post that included Judeo- Christian in it.

You might discount the Old Testament, Jesus however did not.

 

You don’t get Christian without the Judeo bit, they are a complimentary set.

 

Best left a private matter and kept well away from Government.

 

 

[JonnyF]

It would appear that anything short of skipping down the road in gender neutral rainbow attire, sporting pink dreadlocks and screaming "Racist" at random passers by is deemed "far right" now ????.

 

Many places are governed at least partially according to religious beliefs/values. Try getting a beer in a Gogo bar on Makha Bucha day in Thailand, for example. Or listen to Prayut spouting off about Buddhist precepts.

[ozimoron]

Just now, JonnyF said:

It would appear that anything short of skipping down the road in gender neutral rainbow attire, sporting pink dreadlocks and screaming "Racist" at random passers by is deemed "far right" now ????.

 

Many places are governed at least partially according to religious beliefs/values. Try getting a beer in a Gogo bar on Makha Bucha day in Thailand, for example. Or listen to Prayut spouting off about Buddhist precepts.

Hatred against minorities is a far right thing. People who aren't LGBTQ should have nothing to say about those who are. Just like men should have nothing to say about abortion.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It would appear that anything short of skipping down the road in gender neutral rainbow attire, sporting pink dreadlocks and screaming "Racist" at random passers by is deemed "far right" now ????.

 

Many places are governed at least partially according to religious beliefs/values. Try getting a beer in a Gogo bar on Makha Bucha day in Thailand, for example. Or listen to Prayut spouting off about Buddhist precepts.

More hyperbole.

 

Get your head around the fact the Constitution of the US separates religion from Government.

 

What goes on in Thailand is an irrelevance.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Hatred against minorities is a far right thing. People who aren't LGBTQ should have nothing to say about those who are. Just like men should have nothing to say about abortion.

I agree 100% about abortion, but when the LG whatever crowd stop shouting at the rest of us is when I'll stop having something to say about it.

You don't get to have a "Gay pride parade" and tell me not to say anything at the same time.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree 100% about abortion, but when the LG whatever crowd stop shouting at the rest of us is when I'll stop having something to say about it.

You don't get to have a "Gay pride parade" and tell me not to say anything at the same time.

They aren't shouting at you. They are shouting about their right to be left alone. Do you deny that the right are running interference in their lives bigly?

 

They have as much right to a gay parade as anybody has to any parade. You have no right to be offended by their activities in the street.

 

The gay mardi gras in Sydney is huge event. Not just with gays. Everybody is welcome and many straight people go.

[SatEng]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. It was a rhetorical statement.

I doubt you can tell me much about that subject that I'm not aware of.

It seems you do need educating about the subject as you don't seem to have a critical understanding of what religious beliefs are and the harm that they have done to many people in history, and would continue to inflict harm of allowed to be in charge of government at national or local levels.

Just wait to see what bigotry this "local" government will try to put forward - as has been seen in the past with many similar instances

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree 100% about abortion, but when the LG whatever crowd stop shouting at the rest of us is when I'll stop having something to say about it.

You don't get to have a "Gay pride parade" and tell me not to say anything at the same time.

There isn’t a ‘Gay Parade’ in this news.

 

It’s the rightwing legislating the medical options available to minors experiencing gender dysmorphia.

 

Taking time out to target legislation against a very small proportion of their population.

 

Hate mongering in action.

[SatEng]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree 100% about abortion, but when the LG whatever crowd stop shouting at the rest of us is when I'll stop having something to say about it.

You don't get to have a "Gay pride parade" and tell me not to say anything at the same time.

So in your view it is OK for anti-LGBT ranting to be shouted from pulpits, but the other side should "shut up" - that is bigotry

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, SatEng said:

So in your view it is OK for anti-LGBT ranting to be shouted from pulpits, but the other side should "shut up" - that is bigotry

I wasn't aware of any anti LGBT parades. Do tell me about them.

It's also against the law to attack LGBT people in many countries- how much more do they want?

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Keep in mind that these loons are Michigan Republicans. The same party the elected Kristina Karamo to be its head.

The new chair of the Michigan Republican Party is a prominent election denier, but she also has quite a few concerns about "demonic possession."

As regular readers might recall, Karamo has also spread Jan. 6 conspiracy theories, rejected vaccines, derided transgender women, condemned evolutionary biology, and suggested cohabitation before marriage opens the door to normalizing pedophilia.

Late last week, ahead of Saturday’s balloting, the Michigan Republican spoke to a group of supporters and reiterated her concerns about “demonic forces.”

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/new-gop-chair-battleground-state-isnt-just-election-denier-rcna71438