Thailand votes for Peace in Europe

[StayinThailand2much]

10 hours ago, Drumbuie said:

It's interesting that China abstained, considering Putin's meeting with Wang Yi a few days ago, after which Putin's press release mentioned "new ties" between the countries.

Wishful thinking? 

China "wants peace", but not at the expense of forcing Russia to withdraw, as they are best buddies. - Hypocrisy 'Made in China'... 

Edited February 25, 2023 by StayinThailand2much

[KhaoYai]

6 hours ago, brianthainess said:

Someone should inform Thailand that Ukraine is not part of Europe, yeh I know Europe is a continent.

Ukraine has clearly stated that its leanings are towards Europe for many years.  The Maidan riots in 2013/14 were sparked by the then President Viktor Yanukovychs's decison to pull out of the proposed European Union/Ukraine Association Agreement and seek closer ties to Russia via the Eurasion Economic Union.  Ukraine's parilament had already voted to move towards Europe and it is widely believed that Yanukovych's sudden decision was due to his personal associations and leanings.

 

Note: Shortly after Maidan, when it became clear that the Ukranian people wanted to move away from Russia towards true democracy - Putin annexed Crimea under the guise that its people wanted to be part of Russia.

 

Putin has watched Ukraine slipping out of his grasp for many years.  He lost his puppet Yanukovych following Maidan - his real intentions, the BS reasons for taking Crimea and now the Donbas region are quite clear.

 

Ukraine's people have clearly stated that they want to be part of Europe physically, politically and economically - that is what this war is really about.  Ukraine is part of Europe - because that's what its people want.

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, jvs said:

Thailand maybe now it is time to put your money where your mouth is?

Choose sides and stop letting Russians into the country!

 

I am happy that Thailand is welcoming Russian draft dodger refugees even though they conveniently label them tourists 

[wordchild]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Abstention is the usual cop-out for fence sitters.

China's current foreign policy has been soft political influence through economic partnerships (ie., Silk Road Initiative) including foreign loans. It's last war was Vietnam in 1979. Xi clearly and consistently does not condone Putin's empire-building through war. 

Yes , i think this is correct; fortunately President Xi is somewhat more astute than much of the Western Media portrays him.  

[zzaa09]

And the usual circle tends to ignore who the truer boogieman might be.

Expected.

[jvs]

37 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I am happy that Thailand is welcoming Russian draft dodger refugees even though they conveniently label them tourists 

I find that a bit double,i think a lot of them do not want to fight but

still support the war.

My view is that in a way all Russians are responsible for what is going on.

I also understand that there is not much they can do if they indeed are against the war.

Like i said ,a bit double.

 

[Jingthing]

45 minutes ago, jvs said:

I find that a bit double,i think a lot of them do not want to fight but

still support the war.

My view is that in a way all Russians are responsible for what is going on.

I also understand that there is not much they can do if they indeed are against the war.

Like i said ,a bit double.

 

I agree with you but better here than killing Ukrainians and or dead

[Jingthing]

56 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

And the usual circle tends to ignore who the truer boogieman might be.

Expected.

But you are all knowing about such things.

[zzaa09]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

But you are all knowing about such things.

....and quite clear that you don't.

[StayinThailand2much]

17 hours ago, webfact said:

However, seven countries—Belarus, North Korea, Eritrea, Mali, Nicaragua, Russia, and Syria—opposed the resolution.

 

32 countries, including China, India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Vietnam, and Laos, chose to abstain.

How predictable; Belarus and Syria reliant on Russia(n troops). Same as for Mali (Wagner Group mercenaries). North Korea, Nicaragua, and Eritrea as Russia's buddies...

 

South Africa, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Laos indebted to, and reliant on Russia's best buddy China. Vietnam worried about border troubles with China, and India just enjoying great business with, and cheap oil from Russia...

Edited February 25, 2023 by StayinThailand2much

[jacko45k]

12 hours ago, observer90210 said:

One can only be thankful that the UN has other countries who are highly responsable and call for the madness to stop throught diplomacy and negociation with perhaps a bit of compromise from each side.

Well it was eloquently put recently by Blinken... if Russia stops, the war ends, if Ukraine stops,  Ukraine ends. I do not think Putin's ambitions will end there....

[Henryford]

How can you abstain? Either you support the war or you don't.

[Denim]

12 hours ago, wordchild said:

Yes , i think this is correct; fortunately President Xi is somewhat more astute than much of the Western Media portrays him.  

Not withstanding his repeated intention to invade Taiwan, regardless of their resistance and threat of dire consequences to any other nations that come to Taiwans aid.

[h90]

On 2/25/2023 at 10:17 AM, Enzian said:

All this is mostly for show, but I find interesting what Orban is reported as having said: that Russia at this point can't win, but as a political matter Putin can't afford to lose, so what's left is to turn Ukraine into a wasteland and then depart. 

Further, I know Russia is a (very) bad actor, but I still think the EU could have handled their side of it all better before the invasion started. Unless of course, they wanted it to happen; but incompetence may be a better explanation.

Not the EU, but UK....Russia and Ukraine had a peace agreement and than Boris Johnson stopped it. The EU want it

[SpaceKadet]

On 2/25/2023 at 3:15 AM, webfact said:

The resolution encourages all sides to the conflict to devise plans for bringing about peace.

Politicians make everything so complicated.

In reality, it's very simple. All Russia has to do is stop the aggression and withdraw it's troops from Ukraine.

It all hangs on Putin.

[rabang]

It is very simple: Russia is the aggressor and only needs to withdraw from Ukraine. No one is going to invade Russia if they stay behind their own borders. Everything else is just propaganda from a paranoid former KGB man.

[Mac Mickmanus]

On 2/25/2023 at 7:21 AM, jchfriis said:

So what is Ukraine part of then?

Russia

[still kicking]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Russia

And Russia is not in Europe?

[still kicking]

Web26 Jan 2023 · Although most of Russia's landmass is in Asia, much of the Russian population lives in the European part of the country. About 77% of Russia’s 143 million people live in the territory that lies in Europe. This includes Russia's most populous city, Moscow, which is still the country's capital. It has more than 12 million residents, making it ..

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, still kicking said:

And Russia is not in Europe?

Russia stretches all the way to Japan and the USA going easterly

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Russia stretches all the way to Japan and the USA going easterly

So what? Most Russians live in the European part of Russia 

[simon43]

No doubt to the fury of the tinpot generals in Naypyitaw, (who buy many weapons from Russia to murder their own citizens), Myanmar's UN representative voted in favour of the resolution...

[englishoak]

Thailand has this one right..

 

Look around you, the world is fracturing and tearing itself apart in front of your eyes. Do you want more war ? escalation ?  Really ?   fools all .. Regardless of the bitter pill needed to be swallowed, concede Russia the regions taken and stand down this madness or talk of more deadly arms & weapons being sent,  before all become drawn into a far greater conflict .... Negotiated terms are the only way wars end & this MUST be started asap.

 

Ceasefire leading to peace negotiations is the only sane option...the alternative is more death more escalation & more WAR ... take your pick but do not come here and call for more war while you lie safe in bed in a safe place. ( for now ) .. 

 

“Ye Hypocrites, are these your pranks ?
To murder men and gie God thanks ?
Desist for shame, proceed no further.
God won't accept your thanks for murder.”

― Robert Burns

Edited February 27, 2023 by englishoak

[h90]

7 hours ago, rabang said:

It is very simple: Russia is the aggressor and only needs to withdraw from Ukraine. No one is going to invade Russia if they stay behind their own borders. Everything else is just propaganda from a paranoid former KGB man.

And than? Crimea voted for >90% to join Russia. The Ukraine secret service is killing traitors (people who cooperate with Russia). Ukraine does not accept rights for the Russian minority. And they didn't follow the previous Minsk agreement. So if Russia withdraw you need first other solutions from the international community to prevent a mass killing of the Russian minority or move them all to Russia mainland.
That Klitschko is talking about rolling the tanks thru Moscow and executing Putin is not helping making Putin less paranoid.

[jacko45k]

7 hours ago, rabang said:

It is very simple: Russia is the aggressor and only needs to withdraw from Ukraine. No one is going to invade Russia if they stay behind their own borders. Everything else is just propaganda from a paranoid former KGB man.

It is more insidious than that.....he has ambitions to take a lot of the land to the West and create a bigger Union..... if people think it stops after Ukraine they are missing something.....think back about 85 years!

[Bkk Brian]

55 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Thailand has this one right..

 

Look around you, the world is fracturing and tearing itself apart in front of your eyes. Do you want more war ? escalation ?  Really ?   fools all .. Regardless of the bitter pill needed to be swallowed, concede Russia the regions taken and stand down this madness or talk of more deadly arms & weapons being sent,  before all become drawn into a far greater conflict .... Negotiated terms are the only way wars end & this MUST be started asap.

 

Ceasefire leading to peace negotiations is the only sane option...the alternative is more death more escalation & more WAR ... take your pick but do not come here and call for more war while you lie safe in bed in a safe place. ( for now ) .. 

 

“Ye Hypocrites, are these your pranks ?
To murder men and gie God thanks ?
Desist for shame, proceed no further.
God won't accept your thanks for murder.”

― Robert Burns

I agree, Thailand does have this one right. It signed up for the new UN resolution calling for Russia's immediate withdrawal from Ukraine to stop the war and hold peace talks in line with the UN Charter and international law.

 

Only 7 countries voted against it. Belarus, Nicaragua, Russia, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea and Mali

[h90]

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

It is more insidious than that.....he has ambitions to take a lot of the land to the West and create a bigger Union..... if people think it stops after Ukraine they are missing something.....think back about 85 years!

He had his troops in Kazakhstan and in Georgia already and could have taken these countries without any additional fighting and didn't do it. I really don't think that he wants more land...Russia is big enough. And 85 years ago Germany was not big enough they needed land. And when you look it is not Russia that expanded but the NATO built the bases everywhere close to Russia (and China).

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, h90 said:

And than? Crimea voted for >90% to join Russia. The Ukraine secret service is killing traitors (people who cooperate with Russia). Ukraine does not accept rights for the Russian minority. And they didn't follow the previous Minsk agreement. So if Russia withdraw you need first other solutions from the international community to prevent a mass killing of the Russian minority or move them all to Russia mainland.
That Klitschko is talking about rolling the tanks thru Moscow and executing Putin is not helping making Putin less paranoid.

You should check on who did not follow Minsk

 

A major blockage has been Russia’s insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-now

 

 

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/05/minsk-conundrum-western-policy-and-russias-war-eastern-ukraine-0/summary

 

Of course Ukraine also had its failures in its implementation

Edited February 27, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[h90]

54 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You should check on who did not follow Minsk

 

A major blockage has been Russia’s insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-now

 

 

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/05/minsk-conundrum-western-policy-and-russias-war-eastern-ukraine-0/summary

 

Of course Ukraine also had its failures in its implementation

yesyes....
Ukraine never intended to follow the agreement: they proudly told that they only signed it to win time to get their army stronger.
Ukraine daily shoot artillery into civilian areas with a total of 14.000 Russians dead. No one ever claimed that these republics shoot at villages in Ukraine.
There is no doubt that Russia is also lying, non of them is a honest player but they didn't kill civilians on a daily base and they don't boast about faking agreement. And Russia has several other "frozen" conflicts that are more or less calm.
Putins politics is strange: He could have gone to Kiev in 2014 install the old legit government again, force elections and go out without much blood. Or he could have given that 2 regions safety guarantees in 2014/15 and go in enforce a 50km safety zone.
But he did nothing from 2014-2022 and than start a full blown war. That is at least incompetence.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, h90 said:

yesyes....
Ukraine never intended to follow the agreement: they proudly told that they only signed it to win time to get their army stronger.
Ukraine daily shoot artillery into civilian areas with a total of 14.000 Russians dead. No one ever claimed that these republics shoot at villages in Ukraine.
There is no doubt that Russia is also lying, non of them is a honest player but they didn't kill civilians on a daily base and they don't boast about faking agreement. And Russia has several other "frozen" conflicts that are more or less calm.
Putins politics is strange: He could have gone to Kiev in 2014 install the old legit government again, force elections and go out without much blood. Or he could have given that 2 regions safety guarantees in 2014/15 and go in enforce a 50km safety zone.
But he did nothing from 2014-2022 and than start a full blown war. That is at least incompetence.

More lies there were never 14,000 Russian civilians killed, infact civilian casualties before their illegal invasion last year were minimal as you can see in the chart below.

 

There were 3,404 killed though which included Ukrainian civilians and that figure includes those from flight MH17 that was shot down by Russian backed separatist forces. This from UN official figures: pdf