Gary Lineker told to step back from presenting Match of the Day

[Will B Good]

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I don't believe there was any evidence that he followed up on this publicity stunt and took any real refugees in for any length of time.

 

He may have wheeled them in for a couple of days for a photo shoot, I don't recall.

One of them stayed a month apparently, before going off to university.

[hotandsticky]

27 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sharp_(BBC_chairman)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Davie

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

Doesn't help at all.......means nothing.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, sungod said:

Yes, without Lineker

No. Put the link in wayback machine internet archive. Pick any date in Feb. Position is the same. I'm on my phone so can't but did before I lleft home

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Is comparing the policy of the government to the Nazi's respectful and courteous?

 

"Treating others"....is about humans as individuals, not government policies.

 

[brewsterbudgen]

3 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

Doesn't help at all.......means nothing.

It means they are Conservatives which makes a mockery of your claim that somehow the BBC is left-wing!

[sungod]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

No. Put the link in wayback machine internet archive. Pick any date in Feb. Position is the same. I'm on my phone so can't but did before I lleft home

You actually gave a completely ridiculous example,

 

'Top Viewing for the day on iplayer' ???? (I guess antiques road show was on another day!)

 

It's minute- wont even bother commenting further if that's really the best you can do.

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He may have wheeled them in for a couple of days for a photo shoot, I don't recall.

Not true but you would know that if you read the links 

[sungod]

12 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Most people (including me) tuned in to see what it would be like.  Most people will not be bothering again, if it stays as 20 minutes of goal highlights with fake crowd noise!  

 

Fortunately, it's looking likely that a compromise has been reached and it will be back to normal for the BBC's FA Cup quarter-final coverage.  Welcome back Gary and friends! ????????

Who is 'most' people?

 

Everyone I speak to 'mostly' liked it without the chit chat, 'most' (including me) actually agree it would be better with commentary on the games though. Saved 'most' of us fast forwarding through the usual tripe.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

He's certainly left wing, liberal and progressive.

 

 

I mean, I don't believe they issue Socialist identity cards yet so I am not sure what evidence you are expecting me to produce. Membership of the Socialist Worker magazine? Would that be evidence enough for you? Probably not...

 

The socialist worker appears to agree with his standpoint on pretty much everything though.

 

https://socialistworker.co.uk/letters/gary-lineker-is-right-about-the-1930s/

 

His tweets and opinions are certainly consistent with the views of a socialist. 

 

Does he have a "I am a socialist" tattoo? I'm not sure. Would you consider that to be proof if he did? Probably not. You'd ask for links proving it wasn't done when he was drunk or as one of those Hipster "ironic" tattoos.

 

But in my opinion, he is a socialist. All the evidence points that way. It would be disingenuous to claim otherwise. I'm sure that won't stop you though ????

 

I didn’t ask you for a definition of a socialist, I already know the definition.

 

What I asked you for is evidence to back up your clear statements that Lineker is a socialist.

 

A statement from Lineker that he’s a socialist or evidence that he’s a member of a socialist political party would suffice,

 

Ad hominem attack’s, and supposition don’t cut it

 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[transam]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It means they are Conservatives which makes a mockery of your claim that somehow the BBC is left-wing!

Are you saying all BBC folk have the same political Party affiliation..............?

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, sungod said:

You actually gave a completely ridiculous example,

 

'Top Viewing for the day on iplayer' ???? (I guess antiques road show was on another day!)

 

It's minute- wont even bother commenting further if that's really the best you can do.

You are aware that iplayer is also to catch up on programmes at a time convinient to you right?

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

Are students from Pakistan considered refugees?

They are students now. You link aswell as the one I provided clearly also said they were refugees. 

[brewsterbudgen]

4 minutes ago, sungod said:

Who is 'most' people?

 

Everyone I speak to 'mostly' liked it without the chit chat, 'most' (including me) actually agree it would be better with commentary on the games though. Saved 'most' of us fast forwarding through the usual tripe.

They only showed about 3 minutes from each game (which can be seen on YouTube anyway!).  Perhaps you, and the people you speak to, are not really into football? ????. Anyway, it seems it won't need to be repeated and we can get back to normal next weekend.

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, James105 said:

Only complete fools would suggest that Jeremy Clarkson meant that as anything other than a joke.   I don't recall any stories of him following up on this where he actually lined up any nurses and shot them in front of their families which does suggest that he didn't mean it literally.   

 

Pretty sure he says the same thing about cyclists/caravan owners as well.   His TV persona is a character of a grumpy old man which proved very successful for the BBC.   Gary Lineker doesn't have that kind of TV persona and if he did then I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid if he demanded similar treatment for the Tories.   

The ‘he was only joking’ defense.

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you saying all BBC folk have the same political Party affiliation..............?

 

Not at all.  But it's a Tory led organisation and that reflects its so-called "impartiality"!

Edited March 13, 2023 by brewsterbudgen

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A statement from Lineker that he’s a socialist or evidence that he’s a member of a socialist political party would suffice,

No. His views should (and do) suffice and they are very clear.

 

If someone openly said they hated black people and Jews you'd correctly say they were racist. You wouldn't need to produce evidence that they were a member of the BNP or a statement from them saying that they were were racist. Their views would be enough to conclude that they were racist. 

 

Same as Lineker's views confirm he is a socialist.

[James105]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘he was only joking’ defense.

 

 

Sure, just like Jo Brand was when she was making a joke about throwing battery acid at politicians.    Do you think she should be incarcerated for this or do you think people should still be allowed to make jokes, even if they are a bit offensive?     

 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/jan/27/jo-brand-face-no-further-action-battery-acid-joke

[JonnyF]

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not true but you would know that if you read the links 

A publicity stunt.

[Will B Good]

How typical of the Guardian......555

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

A publicity stunt.

If he wanted publicity on it then he'd be talking and tweeting about it now. He's not. Same as he's not tweeting about the numerous other charities he supports

Edited March 13, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

No. His views should (and do) suffice and they are very clear.

 

If someone openly said they hated black people and Jews you'd correctly say they were racist. You wouldn't need to produce evidence that they were a member of the BNP or a statement from them saying that they were were racist. Their views would be enough to conclude that they were racist. 

 

Same as Lineker's views confirm he is a socialist.

So let’s hear these views that confirm him to be a socialist?

 

 

[JonnyF]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

If he wanted publicity on it then he'd be talking and tweeting about it now. He's not.

It was all over the papers and social media for weeks. He did multiple interviews on it. Even took photos of the thankyou letter and published it.

 

No better than Tik Tok'ers or YouTubers filming themselves giving wads of cash to homeless people for Likes/Views. 

 

Had he done this privately I would have much more respect for him. But No this is Gary the virtue signaller, hence it was all over the papers for weeks. The very definition of a publicity stunt.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

It was all over the papers and social media for weeks. He did multiple interviews on it. Even took photos of the thankyou letter and published it.

 

No better than Tik Tok'ers or YouTubers filming themselves giving wads of cash to homeless people for Likes/Views. 

 

Had he done this privately I would have much more respect for him. But No this is Gary the virtue signaller, hence it was all over the papers for weeks. The very definition of a publicity stunt.

Re read my post

[brewsterbudgen]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

No. His views should (and do) suffice and they are very clear.

 

If someone openly said they hated black people and Jews you'd correctly say they were racist. You wouldn't need to produce evidence that they were a member of the BNP or a statement from them saying that they were were racist. Their views would be enough to conclude that they were racist. 

 

Same as Lineker's views confirm he is a socialist.

Lineker was publicly critical (on Twitter!) of Jeremy Corbyn when he was Labour leader, and about the only genuinely socialist leader labour has had since Michael Foot.  

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, James105 said:

Sure, just like Jo Brand was when she was making a joke about throwing battery acid at politicians.    Do you think she should be incarcerated for this or do you think people should still be allowed to make jokes, even if they are a bit offensive?     

 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/jan/27/jo-brand-face-no-further-action-battery-acid-joke

I’ve called out the ‘he was only joking Defense’.

 

It’s you who used that defense, not me, so please let’s not get into the nonsense where I am somehow responsible to argue the pros and cons of a defense I myself didn’t use.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It was all over the papers and social media for weeks. He did multiple interviews on it. Even took photos of the thankyou letter and published it.

 

No better than Tik Tok'ers or YouTubers filming themselves giving wads of cash to homeless people for Likes/Views. 

 

Had he done this privately I would have much more respect for him. But No this is Gary the virtue signaller, hence it was all over the papers for weeks. The very definition of a publicity stunt.

You are attributing motives without any evidence beyond your own supposition.

 

You might want to be a little more circumspect and refer to your personal un substantiated opinions as just that.

 

If you categorically state something to be so you need evidence that it is just so.

 

Once again you don’t have any.

 

[vinny41]

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘he was only joking’ defense.

 

 

The only joking defence works for some people

Sir David Attenborough on Donald Trump: 'We could shoot him. It's not a bad idea'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/david-attenborough-donald-trump-shoot-radio-times-interview-michael-gove-a7390476.html

 

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are attributing motives without any evidence beyond your own supposition.

 

You might want to be a little more circumspect and refer to your personal un substantiated opinions as just that.

 

If you categorically state something to be so you need evidence that it is just so.

 

Once again you don’t have any.

 

Where's Liverpool Lou when you need him......555

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

The only joking defence works for some people

Sir David Attenborough on Donald Trump: 'We could shoot him. It's not a bad idea'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/david-attenborough-donald-trump-shoot-radio-times-interview-michael-gove-a7390476.html

 

It’s a common line of defense employed by people who wish to be offensive to others but don’t want to take responsibility for their words.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Where's Liverpool Lou when you need him......555

No offense to LL but I’m not sure I do.