Stormy Daniels: Trump invited to testify before grand jury

[onthedarkside]

 

New York prosecutors have invited ex-US president Donald Trump to testify to a grand jury over the Stormy Daniels case, his lawyer has confirmed.

 

The Manhattan district attorney has investigated Mr Trump for five years over alleged hush money payments made on his behalf to the ex-porn star.

 

Inviting him to a grand jury indicates he could face charges, experts say.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64913814

 

[onthedarkside]

Donald Trump Access Hollywood tape can be used in civil rape trial, judge rules

 

The tape of Donald Trump boasting about sexual aggression towards women that detonated late in the 2016 election campaign but did not prevent him from winning the presidency will be permitted at a forthcoming civil trial in New York.

 

A federal judge ruled on Friday that the columnist E Jean Carroll can use the 2005 remarks by Trump, caught on tape in conversation with an Access Hollywood TV show personality, in support of her lawsuit accusing Trump of raping her in a department store dressing room in the 1990s.

 

Carroll sued Trump for defamation after he denied the rape ever happened or that he even knew the former longtime Elle magazine columnist, after she first described in a 2019 book her encounter with Trump in late 1995 or early 1996.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/10/trump-access-hollywood-tape-evidence-jean-carroll-trial

[Tug]

I doubt he will testify before the grand jury even trump understands if he lies there are consequences not so on his fake social network.looking forward to the first set of charges on this case followed by Georgia Jan 6 and more it will be sweet

[Chomper Higgot]

I love the DOJ’s unofficial name for the ‘invitation letter’. 

 

It’s known as ‘A Mae West’ 

 

‘Come up and see me some time’.

[spidermike007]

Your honor, I like nasty looking hussies. Can't help myself. And I usually pay for it, even though I am wealthy. Most women just find me too strange looking, to do it for free. 

[Jingthing]

Maga man's first criminal indictment is coming soon.

The first one is always special. 

But dollars to doughnuts it won't be his last or most serious.

The Putin loving insurrectionist buffoon thinks running for president will protect him.

I reckon he's taken in a good supply of diapers by now.

Edited March 11, 2023 by Jingthing

[Anant72]

Invited? Why not summoned?

[Skallywag]

If the Grand Jury indicts him, he will go to jail, so that could happen...

Likely someone will bail him out of course

[Hanuman2547]

Very unlikely he will ever go to prison.  Wealthy people like him usually can avoid prison terms.  

[Tug]

I hope he does he probably (thinks) he can convince them of his innocence and as we all know he’s delusional and his narcissistic personality Will definitely ???? trip him up and create more liability let’s hope the dam is finally breaking for the first time in his privileged life he pays for his actions 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Hanuman2547 said:

Very unlikely he will ever go to prison.  Wealthy people like him usually can avoid prison terms.  

Look at the wealthy Trump adjacent people that have not avoided prison. 

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, Anant72 said:

Invited? Why not summoned?

No need. He will need to show up when indicted.

[Bkk Brian]

Classic rant from Trump on the Stormy Daniels case...........

 

Surprise: Trump’s response to Manhattan grand jury news is a mess

 

The former president and potential future criminal defendant seems nervous. He should be.

 

Donald Trump has issued more than one desperate statement over the years. The latest doesn’t disappoint.

 

It comes after Trump reportedly was invited to testify to a New York grand jury ahead of his potential indictment in the hush money investigation:

 

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-grand-jury-indictment-response-rcna74346

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

14 hours ago, Anant72 said:

Invited? Why not summoned?

Trump is the target of the Grand Jury.

 

The Grand Jury is a constitutionally mandated procedure to review evidence before indictments for ‘capital or infamous crimes’, in this case crimes that, if conviction is achieved will result in imprisonment.

 

The Grand Jury is not a trial, but better described as an ‘inquest’ to examine if indictment is warranted.

 

For this reason it is the evidence and testimony of witnesses in favor of prosecution that are presented to the Grand Jury.

 

The ‘target’, in this case Trump gets to defend themselves at trial if the Grand Jury recommends indictment.

 

However, under New York statutes, targets of Grand Juries are permitted themselves to address the Grand Jury, they are not compelled to do so but must be offered the opportunity to do so.

 

Hence the invite with the ‘Mae West letter’.

 

Trump will almost certainly decline the invite as anything he says before the Grand Jury is evidence admissible at trial.

 

Trump is now in real peril of indictment, if he’s managed to find a lawyer who’s willing to give him the advice he needs, as opposed to the advice he wants to hear, then Trump will be zipping his mouth.

 

Place your bets.

 

 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

14 hours ago, Skallywag said:

If the Grand Jury indicts him, he will go to jail, so that could happen...

Likely someone will bail him out of course

Not quite that simple.

 

If the GJ passes down a decision to indict the prosecution then need to formally indict. It would however be extremely unusual for them not to do so.

 

Thereafter a judge summons Trump before the court (This is an arrest regardless of how Trump turns up at court and regardless of whether he is cuffed).
 

The judge will set a trial date and bail conditions.

 

The judge will also order the prosecution to present all the evidence they have for and against Trump to his legal team.

 

Trump is not accused of a violent crime and hence will certainly be given bail, with conditions attached. House arrest and surrender of passports is the most likely outcome.

 

The attached conditions will include standard terms regarding intimidation of witnesses and what Trump may or may not disclose in the evidence the Court will ordered transferred to his legal team.

Examples might be naming and doxing witnesses against him, threats overt or implied, against witnesses, prosecutors, the court, judge or anyone involved with the case.

 

If Trump breaks those Bail terms then he may be rearrested and jailed.

 

The question is of course, can Trump stop running his mouth?

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Hanuman2547 said:

Very unlikely he will ever go to prison.  Wealthy people like him usually can avoid prison terms.  

Watch and learn.

[Purdey]

I doubt he will turn up as it isn't mandatory. No judge is present; the proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present his case or (in many instances) to be informed of the proceedings at all.

The only other country that still uses the grand jury system is Liberia. 

[ThailandRyan]

19 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Your honor, I like nasty looking hussies. Can't help myself. And I usually pay for it, even though I am wealthy. Most women just find me too strange looking, to do it for free. 

It's my Orange color that puts them off until the green changes hands, your honor...

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I doubt he will turn up as it isn't mandatory. No judge is present; the proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present his case or (in many instances) to be informed of the proceedings at all.

The only other country that still uses the grand jury system is Liberia. 

If you don’t like Grand Juries, change the Constitution.

 

Oh and while you’re at it……

 

 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Eric Loh]

*Deleted post edited out*

 

I supposed that if Trump stop breaking the laws and behave like other decent law abiding Presidents, there will be no need to spend tax payers money to investigate him. Honestly the less he is in the spotlight, the better for the people and the country.

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, Purdey said:

I doubt he will turn up as it isn't mandatory. No judge is present; the proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present his case or (in many instances) to be informed of the proceedings at all.

The only other country that still uses the grand jury system is Liberia. 

The process allows the defendant to produce exculpatory evidence and to make an argument why he shouldn't be indicted. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Regardless of whether or not Trump turns up, Michael Cohen is scheduled to give testimony tomorrow.

 

 

[Misty]

22 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Your honor, I like nasty looking hussies. Can't help myself. And I usually pay for it, even though I am wealthy. Most women just find me too strange looking, to do it for free. 

Didn't Stormy say "like a toadstool."  Could put some off.

[dotcalm]

How about the statute of limitations:

"Except as otherwise expressly provided by law, no person shall be prosecuted, tried, or punished for any offense, not capital, unless the indictment is found or the information is instituted within five years next after such offense shall have been committed.  — 18 USC 3282"

Anyways, it's a misdemeanor:

Legal experts say a case could be made that Trump falsified business records by logging Cohen's reimbursement for the Daniels payment as legal fees. But that's only a misdemeanor under New York law — unless prosecutors could prove he falsified records to conceal another crime.

ttps://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/10/politics/trump-manhattan-district-attorney-charges-explainer/index.html

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

How about the statute of limitations:

"Except as otherwise expressly provided by law, no person shall be prosecuted, tried, or punished for any offense, not capital, unless the indictment is found or the information is instituted within five years next after such offense shall have been committed.  — 18 USC 3282"

Anyways, it's a misdemeanor:

Legal experts say a case could be made that Trump falsified business records by logging Cohen's reimbursement for the Daniels payment as legal fees. But that's only a misdemeanor under New York law — unless prosecutors could prove he falsified records to conceal another crime.

ttps://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/10/politics/trump-manhattan-district-attorney-charges-explainer/index.html

 

 

Your trying very hard to keep your hero from the slammer aren't you.

[dotcalm]

28 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Your trying very hard to keep your hero from the slammer aren't you.

Don't be ridiculous, Trump will never go to prison, especially not for a misdemeanor.

I only bring context to the story presented and just to say that the time is running out to file a charge, some charge, ANYTHING against the MAGA leader. The feds saw no crimes worth perusing but the NYAG has spent an inordinate amount of time pushing the Stormy story, (hush money is not a crime)

but a campaign finance misdemeanor, lol. No slammer for Trumpie.

 If Trump's vulnerable to prosecution, what in God's name are they waiting for? (maybe some evidence, lol).

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/trump-federal-tax-prosecution-statute-of-limitations.html

 

"An attorney for Trump said Friday that any prosecution related to hush money payments to an adult film star would be “completely unprecedented” and accused the Manhattan district attorney of targeting the former president for “political reasons and personal animus.”

Trump attorney Joe Tacopina said in a statement shared with CNN that the campaign finance laws in this case, which is related to seven-year-old allegations, are “murky” and that the underlying legal theories of a possible case are “untested.”

“This DA and the former DA have been scouring every aspect of President Trump’s personal life and business affairs for years in search of a crime and needs to stop. This is simply not what our justice system is about,” Tacopina said."

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/10/politics/trump-manhattan-district-attorney-charges-explainer/index.html

 

 

Edited March 12, 2023 by dotcalm

[dotcalm]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The process allows the defendant to produce exculpatory evidence and to make an argument why he shouldn't be indicted. 

If you're referring to a witness's grand jury testimony, they are not "defendants", but only a witness. Only a person charged with a crime is referred to as the "defendant".

 

A GJ witness cannot produce their own self serving evidence unless asked, they have no 6th amendment protection (right to counsel) but have protections afforded by the 5th amendment only.

Edited March 12, 2023 by dotcalm

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

How about the statute of limitations:

"Except as otherwise expressly provided by law, no person shall be prosecuted, tried, or punished for any offense, not capital, unless the indictment is found or the information is instituted within five years next after such offense shall have been committed.  — 18 USC 3282"

Anyways, it's a misdemeanor:

Legal experts say a case could be made that Trump falsified business records by logging Cohen's reimbursement for the Daniels payment as legal fees. But that's only a misdemeanor under New York law — unless prosecutors could prove he falsified records to conceal another crime.

ttps://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/10/politics/trump-manhattan-district-attorney-charges-explainer/index.html

 

 

You need to look at Campaign finance law.

 

 

[Jingthing]

These will be felony charges with the possibility of four years in prison but prison not required. But if convicted some prison is likely. These are not bail eligible offenses.

 

Explained here.

 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

These will be felony charges with the possibility of four years in prison but prison not required. But if convicted some prison is likely. These are not bail eligible offenses.

Orange man in an orange jumpsuit.....life will be fun