"Reefer Madness": Thai media continue to attack marijuana use blaming it for violence/addiction

[mommysboy]

The general public in their wisdom want it, need it, believe it to be true, therefore it is true regardless of where the truth actually lays, aka, the court of public opinion.

[likerdup1]

I used weed for a number of years and looking back I can't see ANY benefit to me whatsoever. I quit after it started making me really paranoid. Useless drug for me. I had to ask myself:

 

Why did I need to alter my mind? What's wrong with me that I needed some drug to feel better?

 

Why wasn't I OK without having to alter my consciousness. 

 

I don't like talking or being around people who are high. They are "under the influence" and in most all cases are not at all enhanced by being high. They feel good but act stupid, slow, dumb and useless.

Same as drunkards.

Their thinking is impaired and may think they are "insprired" but their perceptions are being screwed up by a "blunt" and obviously mind numbing drug.

 

Outlawing it again is fine for me except for medical purposes.

[Damrongsak]

On 3/21/2023 at 3:21 AM, sidneybear said:

It's amazing how powerful the big dope lobby is. Who would have thought that Thailand would have legalised it? Fact is that dope causes mental illness in some of its users.

The word "dope" goes way back.  It can refer to intoxicating substances or merely stupidity.  Now, let stupid people revel in intoxicating substances and what do you get?

 

Ganja has been around Thailand forever.  But the new hype brought about by dreams of profits ("medical marijuana") isn't so good with impressionable youngsters who could do without it.  Why walk around in a fog unless you're stuck on a farm 100 kilometers from nowhere?

[kwilco]

All recreational drug use has problems and casualties, but the most dangerous of all is alcohol  causing depression, anxiety, psychosis, and antisocial behaviour,....just read som the answers on this thread.

[Bday Prang]

On 3/21/2023 at 6:20 PM, zyphodb said:

I remember it as " little weeed"....

Correct, and it looked nothing like cannabis at all 

By the way I call b/s on all of these "reefer madness" stories,    Last year a guy allegedly cut his penis off after smoking !!!     Strange how they have reappeared just before election time. 

The media is not producing these stories alone   there will be influential types behind this .   It has all become politicised 

[kwilco]

11 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

Why did I need to alter my mind?

So you don't drink either?

[kwilco]

11 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

I used weed for a number of years and looking back I can't see ANY benefit to me whatsoever. I quit after it started making me really paranoid. Useless drug for me. I had to ask myself:

 

Why did I need to alter my mind? What's wrong with me that I needed some drug to feel better?

 

Why wasn't I OK without having to alter my consciousness. 

 

I don't like talking or being around people who are high. They are "under the influence" and in most all cases are not at all enhanced by being high. They feel good but act stupid, slow, dumb and useless.

Same as drunkards.

Their thinking is impaired and may think they are "insprired" but their perceptions are being screwed up by a "blunt" and obviously mind numbing drug.

 

Outlawing it again is fine for me except for medical purposes.

I agree with you observations but your conclusion that it should be illegal is HIGHLY illogical..... all drugs should be discouraged but it has been should over decades that prohibition has no beneficial effects apart from finding organised crime - if you see that as beneficial

[fondue zoo]

 

On 3/21/2023 at 12:36 PM, webfact said:

Da said she had looked after her grandson since birth as his parents couldn't care less.

The underlying reason is more related to "why don't my deadbeat parents love and care for me like other kids I see?"

..good luck kid

[Bday Prang]

On 3/21/2023 at 10:41 AM, MrMuddle said:

Ridiculous stories, anyone with any inteligence can see it's propaganda.
Every village has kids, usually boys, who are uncontrollable, due to their every wish being granted by aging grandparents, who look after them, while the kid's parents chase big money, in the cities. NOTHING at all to do with Cannabis, and EVERYTHING to do with bad parenting.
There's a man who visits our village, who has tantrums, and jumps up and down like a big soft girl, when he can't get his own way, and shakes when he can't get any alcohol. All caused by his parents indulging him when he was a boy.

On 3/21/2023 at 3:55 PM, robertson468 said:

And your medical qualification is?

 what a ridiculous question .one hardly needs a medical qualification to spot a spoilt man-child throwing a tantrum. 

looks like you have not been here long.

[Bday Prang]

On 3/23/2023 at 7:22 PM, MrMuddle said:

I'm a Doctor of lurve, baby.

Once went out with a lass with your surname, she gave the best BJ I ever had, any relation?

Small world isn't it ?  I knew her too , so did most of my mates,  

[Bday Prang]

On 3/23/2023 at 6:07 PM, William C F Pierce said:

Underage children will find ways to buy weed, the same way as they do for cigarettes. 

 

Whilst a number of drunks will fall over when they are legless. Those high on weed are less likely to be legless and more likely to be a violent danger to others, if their emotion become intense.

 

Legalised weed; next is the legalisation of prostitution. Is Thailand so desperate for tourism that it needs to turn it into the world's number one depraved state to cater for it.

 

Politicians in most countries are expected to improve society with the laws they create. Not decline it by pandering to a small minority.

Probably one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read on here.     However, I do almost agree with your last sentence,  politicians  SHOULD be expected to improve society (but rarely do they ever, )    

You don't like to see governments appeasing minorities ?   Your time would be better spent trolling on a gay or LGBT website  give it a try and see how you get on.   They might not be as reserved as me in their opinion of you

[Bday Prang]

On 3/22/2023 at 4:37 PM, rankric said:

I never thought about it but the mrs did mention that cigarette smokers are choosing the weed over fags as its a cheaper option. 

Well judging from your post its  probably best if you don't think too much and don't believe all your mrs tells you.

If they wanted cheaper smokes they would be using rolling tobacco and rolling their own  (its still cheaper than weed), They might even grow their own tobacco like my father in law does

So just to put you right,  Cannabis is not a substitute for tobacco,  the reason being, is that it does not contain nicotine,  I really thought everybody knew that  

[Gecko123]

Cannabis tourism is such a social scourge because of the example it sets for those looking to foreigners as role models. Because many tourists are perceived as being relatively affluent, consuming cannabis becomes a marker of modernity and is seen as a harmless recreational activity with no downside side effects. Maybe smoking weed will help you get ahead in this world.

 

This will generate a level of fascination and interest in experimentation with cannabis and, likely, other drugs. For those who argue that cannabis has been around for generations, I would point out that newer more potent varieties are being introduced. I also think that there has been some anecdotal evidence that Thai youth are increasingly being attracted to places like Pattaya because of the ease of cannabis purchase.

 

Those who argue that cannabis is less harmful than alcohol or methamphetamine ignore that many of these drugs are used in tandem and the intoxicating effects are amplified when used together. Those who argue that cannabis isn't a gateway drug need to reflect back on their own youth and how much drug experimentation went on with cannabis and alcohol typically being the start off drugs.

 

And what about the expat community? People want to portray the typical expat cannabis consumer as a sophisticate who takes the occasional after dinner puff. You're telling me it doesn't increase social isolation and anti-social behavior? You're telling me it doesn't encourage a sedentary house bound life style? How many of you have Thai spouses who share your enjoyment of cannabis? This isn't a source of domestic tension? It's not primarily a solitary activity? What about if kids are in the house? Smoking cannabis is conducive to raising kids? How "quality" is the time you share with your kids when you're stoned? What about those who are struggling with social isolation, mental health, or age related health issues? If you tell me you're interacting with people left and right, what's the quality of that interaction like if you're stoned? If you're buzzing around town stoned, what about road safety? How's your Thai language study coming along? Kinda hard to concentrate when you're stoned, isn't it?

 

Anyone who claims to have an interest in Thailand's social and educational development and road safety should be strongly opposed to these misguided government initiatives.

[Bday Prang]

13 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Cannabis tourism is such a social scourge because of the example it sets for those looking to foreigners as role models. Because many tourists are perceived as being relatively affluent, consuming cannabis becomes a marker of modernity and is seen as a harmless recreational activity with no downside side effects. Maybe smoking weed will help you get ahead in this world.

 

This will generate a level of fascination and interest in experimentation with cannabis and, likely, other drugs. For those who argue that cannabis has been around for generations, I would point out that newer more potent varieties are being introduced. I also think that there has been some anecdotal evidence that Thai youth are increasingly being attracted to places like Pattaya because of the ease of cannabis purchase.

 

Those who argue that cannabis is less harmful than alcohol or methamphetamine ignore that many of these drugs are used in tandem and the intoxicating effects are amplified when used together. Those who argue that cannabis isn't a gateway drug need to reflect back on their own youth and how much drug experimentation went on with cannabis and alcohol typically being the start off drugs.

 

And what about the expat community? People want to portray the typical expat cannabis consumer as a sophisticate who takes the occasional after dinner puff. You're telling me it doesn't increase social isolation and anti-social behavior? You're telling me it doesn't encourage a sedentary house bound life style? How many of you have Thai spouses who share your enjoyment of cannabis? This isn't a source of domestic tension? It's not primarily a solitary activity? What about if kids are in the house? Smoking cannabis is conducive to raising kids? How "quality" is the time you share with your kids when you're stoned? What about those who are struggling with social isolation, mental health, or age related health issues? If you tell me you're interacting with people left and right, what's the quality of that interaction like if you're stoned? If you're buzzing around town stoned, what about road safety? How's your Thai language study coming along? Kinda hard to concentrate when you're stoned, isn't it?

 

Anyone who claims to have an interest in Thailand's social and educational development and road safety should be strongly opposed to these misguided government initiatives.

So which is it ? anti social behaviour or a sedentary house-bound life? two diametrically opposed scenarios.  My suggestion is that people, like you, who obviously have NO first hand experience should refrain from posting rubbish based on what they selectively read and cherry pick from the internet or the tabloid press.

Probably the biggest cause of domestic tension here is the inability of westerners to stop seeing themselves as superior, coupled with their inability to integrate. 

The use of cannabis, in my experience, is far less detrimental to  society in general than the use of alcohol, 

As for the rest of your post , you have just listed any  problems you can think of and decided to attribute all social ills to the use of cannabis .  Unbelievable in this day and age and straight out of "reefer madness"  

The fact is that despite the doom mongering by all and sundry , society has not broken down at all

 

[likerdup1]

On 3/24/2023 at 10:31 PM, kwilco said:

So you don't drink either?

Correct. I don't drink, smoke, shoot, snort or pop anything these days that alters my mind. I do drink coffee and even it makes me a bit nervous if I take too much. You can't get arrested for drunk driving if you haven't been drinking. At least in the USA.

 

I'm fine with myself. I don't need a drug like alcohol, THC, cocaine or anything else to be comfortable and feel OK. I want to be present and have all my faculties available for LIFE!! I don't want to numb myself through what few years I have left. I probably have about 20 years left on this earth. I want to be present and "all there" mentally for every minute.

 

Habitual drinking and alcohol abuse can be even worse the cannabis use. Drunk, one is even more impaired.

 

[kwilco]

33 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

Correct. I don't drink, smoke, shoot, snort or pop anything these days that alters my mind. I do drink coffee and even it makes me a bit nervous if I take too much. You can't get arrested for drunk driving if you haven't been drinking. At least in the USA.

 

I'm fine with myself. I don't need a drug like alcohol, THC, cocaine or anything else to be comfortable and feel OK. I want to be present and have all my faculties available for LIFE!! I don't want to numb myself through what few years I have left. I probably have about 20 years left on this earth. I want to be present and "all there" mentally for every minute.

 

Habitual drinking and alcohol abuse can be even worse the cannabis use. Drunk, one is even more impaired.

 

me neither.

[likerdup1]

On 3/24/2023 at 2:01 PM, kwilco said:

All recreational drug use has problems and casualties, but the most dangerous of all is alcohol  causing depression, anxiety, psychosis, and antisocial behaviour,....just read som the answers on this thread.

Alcohol is dangerous as well as Heroin, Cocaine, Meth etc. Cannabis comes with it's own set of dangers especially for young developing minds. It's all <deleted> peddled to people who have problems to begin with and want to ingest a substance to feel better about themselves, life, the world around them etc. It's all a lie though. None of these things are an answer to unhappiness, depression, self-consciousnesses, anxiety etc.

 

IMHO the problem is the MARKET. Why are there people who feel the need to alter their minds with any of these substances? THE DEMAND is the problem and then the ensuing addiction. Once addicted the individuals life goes down the toilet and they become a burden on society. Criminal, homeless etc.

 

The problem with decriminalization and legalization is the availability to children. Mark my words. Now that pot is legal in most states in the USA many more children will able to try it than ever before. It's just not good for building a healthy society.

 

 

[quake]

7 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

Correct. I don't drink, smoke, shoot, snort or pop anything these days that alters my mind. I do drink coffee and even it makes me a bit nervous if I take too much. You can't get arrested for drunk driving if you haven't been drinking. At least in the USA.

 

I'm fine with myself. I don't need a drug like alcohol, THC, cocaine or anything else to be comfortable and feel OK. I want to be present and have all my faculties available for LIFE!! I don't want to numb myself through what few years I have left. I probably have about 20 years left on this earth. I want to be present and "all there" mentally for every minute.

 

Habitual drinking and alcohol abuse can be even worse the cannabis use. Drunk, one is even more impaired.

 

Yawn, 

[BritManToo]

On 3/25/2023 at 7:48 PM, Gecko123 said:

I also think that there has been some anecdotal evidence that Thai youth are increasingly being attracted to places like Pattaya because of the ease of cannabis purchase.

Are you suggesting 'Thai youth' are too stupid to use LINE or other mail order stores?

[save the frogs]

Anyone want to help me make "SAY NO TO DRUGS" T-Shirts?

 

 

[Bday Prang]

8 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

Correct. I don't drink, smoke, shoot, snort or pop anything these days that alters my mind. I do drink coffee and even it makes me a bit nervous if I take too much. You can't get arrested for drunk driving if you haven't been drinking. At least in the USA.

 

I'm fine with myself. I don't need a drug like alcohol, THC, cocaine or anything else to be comfortable and feel OK. I want to be present and have all my faculties available for LIFE!! I don't want to numb myself through what few years I have left. I probably have about 20 years left on this earth. I want to be present and "all there" mentally for every minute.

 

Habitual drinking and alcohol abuse can be even worse the cannabis use. Drunk, one is even more impaired.

 

Ah ok you don't want it so therefore nobody else should .. a common way of thinking

[jacko45k]

10 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Ah ok you don't want it so therefore nobody else should .. a common way of thinking

As opposed to the 'I want it so everyone else can get lost'? 

I expect politics has to decide what is best for society generally. 

[kwilco]

3 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

Alcohol is dangerous as well as Heroin, Cocaine, Meth etc. Cannabis comes with it's own set of dangers especially for young developing minds. It's all <deleted> peddled to people who have problems to begin with and want to ingest a substance to feel better about themselves, life, the world around them etc. It's all a lie though. None of these things are an answer to unhappiness, depression, self-consciousnesses, anxiety etc.

 

IMHO the problem is the MARKET. Why are there people who feel the need to alter their minds with any of these substances? THE DEMAND is the problem and then the ensuing addiction. Once addicted the individuals life goes down the toilet and they become a burden on society. Criminal, homeless etc.

 

The problem with decriminalization and legalization is the availability to children. Mark my words. Now that pot is legal in most states in the USA many more children will able to try it than ever before. It's just not good for building a healthy society.

 

 

You use a chain of cliches that are unsupported by any evidence and unhelpful to understanding the true nature of the problem....

"children

addiction

Peddle etc etc ."

This is the language of the uninformed....you also dont understand how drugs actually affect people.... "down the toilet"

 

These are archaic cliches and show a misunderstanding of how drugs directly affect people.

All drugs create problems and have dangers to the users/abusers but a blanket prohubition is totally illogical. Most of these people whether alcohol,coke, snack or pot need support not incarceration or legal penalties.

We can clearly see the war on drugs by the USA was an abject failure that has had negative effects around the world.

Thailands "legalisation" of marijuana has been incompetent and chaotic. As yet there is no evidence of an increase in negative affects only media conjecture but it is nevertheless a good example of how not to do things. 

 

[asf6]

On 3/25/2023 at 7:48 PM, Gecko123 said:

I also think that there has been some anecdotal evidence that Thai youth are increasingly being attracted to places like Pattaya because of the ease of cannabis purchase.

Nobody needs to travel to Pattaya to buy cannabis in Thailand. 

[mikebike]

7 minutes ago, asf6 said:

Nobody needs to travel to Pattaya to buy cannabis in Thailand. 

There are 5 dispensaries in my little southern village! 

[Bday Prang]

6 hours ago, jacko45k said:

As opposed to the 'I want it so everyone else can get lost'? 

I expect politics has to decide what is best for society generally. 

No , everybody else is free to choose,   its not compulsory to partake 

And since when has "what is best for society" ever been the aim of politics, especially here

[BritManToo]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

As opposed to the 'I want it so everyone else can get lost'? 

I expect politics has to decide what is best for society generally. 

My body, my choice! 

[Bday Prang]

8 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

Alcohol is dangerous as well as Heroin, Cocaine, Meth etc. Cannabis comes with it's own set of dangers especially for young developing minds. It's all <deleted> peddled to people who have problems to begin with and want to ingest a substance to feel better about themselves, life, the world around them etc. It's all a lie though. None of these things are an answer to unhappiness, depression, self-consciousnesses, anxiety etc.

 

IMHO the problem is the MARKET. Why are there people who feel the need to alter their minds with any of these substances? THE DEMAND is the problem and then the ensuing addiction. Once addicted the individuals life goes down the toilet and they become a burden on society. Criminal, homeless etc.

 

The problem with decriminalization and legalization is the availability to children. Mark my words. Now that pot is legal in most states in the USA many more children will able to try it than ever before. It's just not good for building a healthy society.

 

 

Standard uninformed rhetoric from the 1930's    

[Bday Prang]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Anyone want to help me make "SAY NO TO DRUGS" T-Shirts?

 

 

Been tried before,  complete waste of time. lol  you would end up looking like one of those retards with "the end of the world is nigh, repent now ! emblazoned on their shirt,  Better you personally refrain, and allow others to make their own choice

[Bday Prang]

9 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

Alcohol is dangerous as well as Heroin, Cocaine, Meth etc. Cannabis comes with it's own set of dangers especially for young developing minds. It's all <deleted> peddled to people who have problems to begin with and want to ingest a substance to feel better about themselves, life, the world around them etc. It's all a lie though. None of these things are an answer to unhappiness, depression, self-consciousnesses, anxiety etc.

 

IMHO the problem is the MARKET. Why are there people who feel the need to alter their minds with any of these substances? THE DEMAND is the problem and then the ensuing addiction. Once addicted the individuals life goes down the toilet and they become a burden on society. Criminal, homeless etc.

 

The problem with decriminalization and legalization is the availability to children. Mark my words. Now that pot is legal in most states in the USA many more children will able to try it than ever before. It's just not good for building a healthy society.

 

 

Alcohol has been legal for 100 years in America and longer than that elsewhere, is there really a problem with drunk children everywhere???  Of course not .