Florida House passes 6-week abortion ban, expected to be signed by governor

[onthedarkside]

 

The Florida House of Representatives on Thursday passed a six-week abortion ban that would replace the state's 15-week ban. The bill now heads to the governor's desk for his signature.

 

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has said he would sign a six-week ban should it be sent to his desk.

 

The ban would prohibit all abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, before most women know they are pregnant.

 

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/florida-house-passes-6-week-abortion-ban-expected/story?id=98556766

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Most women have a period less than 6 weeks apart, so they are able to check before 6 weeks if they are pregnant.

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/periods/fertility-in-the-menstrual-cycle/

The length of the menstrual cycle varies from woman to woman, but the average is to have periods every 28 days. Regular cycles that are longer or shorter than this, from 23 to 35 days, are normal.

[Chomper Higgot]

I guess the Republicans think the lunatic fringe is big enough to win elections.

[KhunLA]

Floridians may actually have o practice responsible sex.   No more abortions of convenience.    Should fit right in with Christian values ... or not.

 

Good thing half the state is probably past child bearing age.   Still get their freak on with no worries ... except maybe throwing their back out ????

12 of the 19 million shouldn't have to worry:

 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by KhunLA

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Floridians may actually have o practice responsible sex.   No more abortions of convenience.    Should fit right in with Christian values ... or not.

 

Good thing half the state is probably past child bearing age.   Still get their freak on with no worries ... except maybe throwing their back out ????

 

 

A bit of a hit coming the way for Florida women who are past the age of viable pregnancy but nevertheless become pregnant.

 

 

[bamnutsak]

If life begins at conception, and abortion is murder, why are any abortions allowed? Why six-weeks? Why not a full and total ban? And prosecution of anyone who seeks or aids in an abortion?

 

 

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has said he would sign a six-week ban should it be sent to his desk.

Placate the Trump’s base and signed away your chance to win over the broader national base. American’s broad support for abortion has risen since the overturning of Roe v Wade last June in most polls. DeSantis is in a no win situation to be taken seriously nation wide. 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Most women have a period less than 6 weeks apart, so they are able to check before 6 weeks if they are pregnant.

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/periods/fertility-in-the-menstrual-cycle/

The length of the menstrual cycle varies from woman to woman, but the average is to have periods every 28 days. Regular cycles that are longer or shorter than this, from 23 to 35 days, are normal.

Try instructing a room full of women about their menstrual cycles.  If you survive you'll be a wiser man at the end of it.

[Tug]

Political Darwin at work some how I don’t think the lady’s and most guys are ok with setting womens rights back 50 yrs the republicans will be on the indangered species list soon imo I think he just signed a bill for concealed carry with no checks as well he’s toast it will take awhile but he’s done imo 

[2009]

Good.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Good.

From a political prospective, Democrats would agree with you.

[placeholder]

I wonder if anyone has some polls planned to see how Desantis, approval ratings and that of the Legislature will fare once he signs the bill.

[bamnutsak]

Recent polling finds the six-week abortion ban is not popular among Florida residents of either political party. A University of North Florida poll in March found 75% of 1,452 respondents said they either somewhat or strongly opposed the six-week ban. That included 61% of Republicans.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/floridas-legislature-passes-6-week-abortion-ban-rcna78988

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7 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Recent polling finds the six-week abortion ban is not popular among Florida residents of either political party. A University of North Florida poll in March found 75% of 1,452 respondents said they either somewhat or strongly opposed the six-week ban. That included 61% of Republicans.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/floridas-legislature-passes-6-week-abortion-ban-rcna78988

That's not so surprising. But I wonder how it will affect the electability of DeSantis and the legislators who supported the bill. Of course, Florida is extremely gerrymandered so that does provide legislators a big measure of protection.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

If life begins at conception, and abortion is murder, why are any abortions allowed? Why six-weeks? Why not a full and total ban? And prosecution of anyone who seeks or aids in an abortion?

 

 

You are right, and many pro life people would agree. However, political reality intrudes. Much like the gun issue, where a lot of anti gun people would rather there be zero guns in America. Most people see a compromise position somewhere in the middle. 

 

This bill allows abortions up to 15 weeks for rape and incest, and also for risk of life/substantial health risk of the mother. So it is not actually a ban.  More an imposition of responsibility on people who choose to be sexually active. 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Political Darwin at work some how I don’t think the lady’s and most guys are ok with setting womens rights back 50 yrs the republicans will be on the indangered species list soon imo I think he just signed a bill for concealed carry with no checks as well he’s toast it will take awhile but he’s done imo 

One can only hope.

[placeholder]

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This bill allows abortions up to 15 weeks for rape and incest, and also for risk of life/substantial health risk of the mother. So it is not actually a ban.  More an imposition of responsibility on people who choose to be sexually active. 

Typical punitive attitude of the right when it comes to sex.

And what this means for poor women in the region is particularly awful. They're going to have to travel farther and more expensively if they want to get an abortion. Already the costs are prohibitively high for many.

 

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

The Independent..........

 

A bill that would see Texas men fined $100 (£82) for masturbating has taken a step closer to becoming law after it received its first reading in the state’s House of Representatives.

Under section 173.010 of House Bill 4260, the Man’s Right to Know Act, Texas men would only be allowed to masturbate under supervision, inside approved health care and medical facilities.

 

 

Only seems fair to me........I hope women make up the majority in the House of Representatives.

Texas anti-masturbation bill moves closer to becoming law

Under the Man’s Right to Know Act, Texan men would be fined $100 for every 'unregulated masturbatory emission' - although they may be reassured to learn this is a satirical bill highlighting how women have been targeted by anti-abortion laws.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/texas-antimasturbation-bill-fine-for-masturbating-illegal-jessica-farrar-house-bill-4260-man-s-right-to-know-act-abortion-laws-women-s-reproductive-rights-health-right-to-life-right-to-choose-a7669866.html

[bamnutsak]

17 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

More an imposition of responsibility on people who choose to be sexually active. 

Well, 50% of "those" people.

 

 

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, bamnutsak said:

Well, 50% of "those" people.

 

 

Nope, on men too. Who do you think becomes a father, and/or generally pays child support after the baby is born?

[Hanaguma]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Typical punitive attitude of the right when it comes to sex.

And what this means for poor women in the region is particularly awful. They're going to have to travel farther and more expensively if they want to get an abortion. Already the costs are prohibitively high for many.

 

Not a punitive attitude at all. Just a recognition that having sex brings the possibility of becoming a parent. I would call that a responsible attitude and one that would hopefully encourage people to think before they bump ugly.

 

Why would poor women have to travel farther?

 

Not to mention this would be a great place for pro abortion charities to get involved, and collect the funds necessary to help those in need. 

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Nope, on men too. Who do you think becomes a father, and/or generally pays child support after the baby is born?

Really? Maybe that would happen if the Beaver's and Wally's parents separated. Bur for single mother familes the father generally pays child support.? 

Only 1 in 4 Single-Mother Families Receive Child Support

Accord­ing to 2019–2021 data in the KIDS COUNT® Data Cen­ter, just 24% of U.S. female-head­ed fam­i­lies report­ed receiv­ing any amount of child sup­port dur­ing the pre­vi­ous year. Female-head­ed fam­i­lies refer to unmar­ried women liv­ing with one or more of their own chil­dren under age 18, which may include stepchil­dren and adopt­ed children.

One in three kids — near­ly 24 mil­lion — lives with sin­gle par­ents, most­ly sin­gle moms. In fact, accord­ing to 2022 Cen­sus Bureau data, of the 10.9 mil­lion one-par­ent fam­i­lies with chil­dren under age 18, 80% were head­ed by a moth­er. 

https://www.aecf.org/blog/only-1-in-4-single-mother-families-receive-child-support

Edited April 14, 2023 by placeholder

[Bkk Brian]

Disturbing, one can only hope women and their partners vote to get this imbecile out in the next cycle.

 

The extended provision of up to 15 weeks if due to rape or endangering a women's life is far from adequate, what happens to those who are over 15 weeks.

 

“This ban would prevent four million Florida women of reproductive age from accessing abortion care after six weeks — before many women even know they’re pregnant,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a statement issued after Thursday’s vote. “This ban would also impact the nearly 15 million women of reproductive age who live in abortion-banning states throughout the South, many of whom have previously relied on travel to Florida as an option to access care.”

https://apnews.com/article/florida-abortion-ban-approved-c9c53311a0b2426adc4b8d0b463edad1

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Not a punitive attitude at all. Just a recognition that having sex brings the possibility of becoming a parent. I would call that a responsible attitude and one that would hopefully encourage people to think before they bump ugly.

 

So, to make them think about it, they get to be saddled with an unwanted pregnancy to take through to completion? What punitive SOBs the anti-abortionists are. 

[Hanaguma]

Just now, placeholder said:

Really? Maybe that would happen if the Beaver's and Wally's parents separated. Bur for single mother familes the father generally pays child support.? 

Only 1 in 4 Single-Mother Families Receive Child Support

Accord­ing to 2019–2021 data in the KIDS COUNT® Data Cen­ter, just 24% of U.S. female-head­ed fam­i­lies report­ed receiv­ing any amount of child sup­port dur­ing the pre­vi­ous year. Female-head­ed fam­i­lies refer to unmar­ried women liv­ing with one or more of their own chil­dren under age 18, which may include stepchil­dren and adopt­ed children.

One in three kids — near­ly 24 mil­lion — lives with sin­gle par­ents, most­ly sin­gle moms. In fact, accord­ing to 2022 Cen­sus Bureau data, of the 10.9 mil­lion one-par­ent fam­i­lies with chil­dren under age 18, 80% were head­ed by a moth­er. 

https://www.aecf.org/blog/only-1-in-4-single-mother-families-receive-child-support

If the men are actual deadbeats and not paying court ordered support, then they need to be tracked down and have their wages garnished. Responsibility for actions.  No need for kids to suffer if one of their parents is a bum.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

If the men are actual deadbeats and not paying court ordered support, then they need to be tracked down and have their wages garnished. Responsibility for actions.  No need for kids to suffer if one of their parents is a bum.

Thank  you for the stirring speech. Now let's get back to reality. You think the states are going to devote the huge sums it would take to enforce those laws? And this assumes that the fathers actually have the means to pay.

[bamnutsak]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Why would poor women have to travel farther?

 

Not to mention this would be a great place for pro abortion charities to get involved, and collect the funds necessary to help those in need. 

Many red states are considering legislation that will prevent women from crossing state lines to get an abortion. Those aiding such travel would also be subject to prosecution.

 

 

Idaho's governor signed a law this week making it illegal for an adult to transport a minor to get an abortion without their parents' consent, making Idaho the first state to limit interstate travel for abortion, as Republican lawmakers nationwide continue to limit abortion access.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/04/06/idaho-becomes-first-state-to-restrict-interstate-travel-for-abortion/?sh=32fa6eed6c50

[Hanaguma]

Just now, placeholder said:

So, to make them think about it, they get to be saddled with an unwanted pregnancy to take through to completion? What punitive SOBs the anti-abortionists are. 

Hopefully they will think about it BEFORE doing the deed.  Even so with this law they are allowed a generous month and a half to stop the pregnancy. Plus morning after pills, which AFAIK are still available in Florida. 

[KhunLA]

32 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This bill allows abortions up to 15 weeks for rape and incest, and also for risk of life/substantial health risk of the mother. So it is not actually a ban.  More an imposition of responsibility on people who choose to be sexually active. 

Those will account for 0.0000001 % of abortions ????

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thank  you for the stirring speech. Now let's get back to reality. You think the states are going to devote the huge sums it would take to enforce those laws? And this assumes that the fathers actually have the means to pay.

I would not object to law enforcement and other agencies getting involved, with an increase in funding if necessary.  Fathers with low incomes can have a percentage siphoned off to pay down their child care debt.   Men need to step up and accept that their actions can have consequences as well as women.