SINCE LATE LAST year, Donald Trump has been holding private meetings with religious-right figures in an effort to remind them about his anti-abortion record and ensure their support. But instead of thanking Trump for his role in repealing Roe v. Wade, the leaders are pressing for hardcore commitments that go far beyond what he is comfortable with — and what he thinks voters will allow him to get away with.  

 

According to two participants and another source close to Trump, the ex-president has warned leaders in off-the-record conversations that Republicans risk “losing big” — in Trump’s words — unless they follow his lead. 

 

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How toxic are the politics of abortion for Republicans?

 

A central feature of Donald Trump’s politics has long been that they are malleable. He makes the pitch that he thinks will work best in the moment to the targeted audience, not fretting too much about where it might conflict with what he’d said in the past.

 

His base of support has never indicated a lot of concern about this pattern, so Trump doesn't either.

 

So it seemed perhaps inevitable that, as Republicans continue to lose presumably winnable contests in the post-Roe v. Wade era, Trump might himself start suggesting that his party moderate on the issue of abortion.

 

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9 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

How toxic are the politics of abortion for Republicans?

 

A central feature of Donald Trump’s politics has long been that they are malleable. He makes the pitch that he thinks will work best in the moment to the targeted audience, not fretting too much about where it might conflict with what he’d said in the past.

 

His base of support has never indicated a lot of concern about this pattern, so Trump doesn't either.

 

So it seemed perhaps inevitable that, as Republicans continue to lose presumably winnable contests in the post-Roe v. Wade era, Trump might himself start suggesting that his party moderate on the issue of abortion.

 

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This article is actually more valuable than the first one in that it's not about what Republicans say on and off the record, but rather a careful analysis of how the abortion issue has affected elections and presumably will affect elections. It's been a great vote getter outer for younger generations who have been voting strongly Democratic. Anyway, it will be fun to see Trump try to run away from the abortion decisions made by judges that he chose.

 

Sounds to me like its nothing to do with pro life/pro abortion, but pro votes for Trump. A play on women's rights for politics no matter what they finally end up with.

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Sounds to me like its nothing to do with pro life/pro abortion, but pro votes for Trump. A play on women's rights for politics no matter what they finally end up with.

Spot on trump doesn’t care one whit about abortion he cares about how the issue serves him kinda karmic in a way he’s actually facing repercussions for his actions.although now this issue is causing great pain amongst our vulnerable women it may have a silver lining in the sense that it’s bringing more young and progressive people out to vote.we need a super majority to put a stop to this and stricter gun control this issue just might give it to us.in my humble opinion 

5 hours ago, Tug said:

Spot on trump doesn’t care one whit about abortion [ . . . ]

It all began here.  The man with the very good mind umma-umma-umma'd his response, he apparently hadn't anticipated being asked about it; up until this moment his wash-and-wear response to the subject was "I am pro life."  Say what you will about Matthews, but this is where he asked the right question at the right moment and didn't let DT walk away from it.  Before this moment abortion hadn't come up in the 2016 campaign. 

 

 

A few days ago 2024 hopeful Tim Scott tried the same thing.

Tim Scott gets tripped up on abortion ban questions

 

 

3 hours ago, bendejo said:

It all began here.  The man with the very good mind umma-umma-umma'd his response, he apparently hadn't anticipated being asked about it; up until this moment his wash-and-wear response to the subject was "I am pro life."  Say what you will about Matthews, but this is where he asked the right question at the right moment and didn't let DT walk away from it.  Before this moment abortion hadn't come up in the 2016 campaign. 

 

 

A few days ago 2024 hopeful Tim Scott tried the same thing.

Tim Scott gets tripped up on abortion ban questions

 

 

The thing is, when Matthew  asked that question Roe v Wade was still in effect. Although, in fact it had been pretty much vitiated by the conservative members of the supreme Court already. But thanks to the three extreme right wingers that Trump appointed to the court, they couldn't resist going all the way. One of them, Amy Barrett Browning, is actually a member of a religious cult. A cult in which she was raised, and when she went to college, instead of staying in a dorm, she stayed in the home of the founder of the cult. And then she married someone else who also had been raised in the cult.

9 hours ago, Tug said:

Spot on trump doesn’t care one whit about abortion he cares about how the issue serves him kinda karmic in a way he’s actually facing repercussions for his actions.although now this issue is causing great pain amongst our vulnerable women it may have a silver lining in the sense that it’s bringing more young and progressive people out to vote.we need a super majority to put a stop to this and stricter gun control this issue just might give it to us.in my humble opinion 

You're right, the more the right tries to clamp down on abortion, the more young people will head to the voting booth.  The issues most important to young people appears to be abortion rights, gun control, and the environment.  Interesting that the GOP is on the wrong side on all of these issues.

The hyper-eligious right will not be sated with a six-week ban. They want a full and complete ban.

 

And they'll want federal bans on all home medical options. And they'll want to prosecute anyone who travels to another state for a legal abortion, assuming any options remain. (They probably will?)

 

And after that they'll want to ban all sorts of medications, pharmaceuticals and vaccines they find objectionable.

 

And then they'll want to ban contraception.

 

They spent 50 years chasing the car, and caught it with Dobbs. They're not going to rest now. With gerrymandered super-majority state houses, and stacked lifetime Federal judges why would they? They have all the tools necessary.

 

 

 

 

IMHO no man has the right to decide what a woman does with HER body, no matter if he is a politician, judge or especially any religious leader.

 

What all of these men conveniently forget is that women want the right to an abortion due to being impregnated by a man in the first place.

The abortion fundamentalists were energized by the Supreme Court decision that Trump's Supreme Court appointees made possible. And Trump essentially outsourced his court nominees to the crackpot Federalist Society. Turns out the only thing they really care about is about taking a position on banning abortion that 90 percent of the American public disagrees with. Another bad "personnel" decision that Trump is trying to run away from.