Washington set to become 10th state to ban assault weapons sales

[onthedarkside]

 

Washington is set to become the 10th state to ban the sale of AR-15s and other guns it classifies as assault weapons.

 

Driving the news: The state House passed the assault weapons sales ban 56-42 on Wednesday, sending it to Gov. Jay Inslee, who has already said he'll sign the bill into law.

 

The bill previously passed both legislative chambers, but lawmakers then had to agree on amendments.

 

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https://www.axios.com/2023/04/19/assault-weapons-ban-washington-legislature

 

[Pink Mist]

Looking at the full article, and the new law which the Governor will sign into law, it will only affect new gun sales.

• The bill won't stop people from owning the weapons if they already have them.
• But it will ban new sales and distribution of the firearms, as well as manufacturing and importing them.
• Exceptions will be made for police agencies and branches of the military.

[2baht]

 

3 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

Washington is set to become the 10th state to ban the sale of AR-15s and other guns it classifies as assault weapons.

Well damn it Chuck, what we gonna do? ????

[Tug]

Good it’s another step in the right direction 

[vandeventer]

It doesn't add up, Hand guns are the biggest weapon used buy killers, even knives are more dangerous than assault weapons.

https://alexaanswers.amazon.ca/question/157l7xgwGaRaZVVnjCtGem

[Chomper Higgot]

Excellent news.

 

I personally would like to see businesses doing more, banning guns on their premises.

 

69% of adult Americans do not own a gun, near 100% of American children don’t own a gun.

 

Time to give these people the gun free environments they deserve:

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

It doesn't add up, Hand guns are the biggest weapon used buy killers, even knives are more dangerous than assault weapons.

https://alexaanswers.amazon.ca/question/157l7xgwGaRaZVVnjCtGem

Now come back and tell us what is the weapon of choice for mass killers who perpetrate their heinous crimes in:

 

Schools?

Places of worship?

Shopping Malls and Department Stores? 
Crime scenes where the killer’s intent is to kill as many innocent and non crime involved people as possible?

 

[KhunLA]

49 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

It doesn't add up, Hand guns are the biggest weapon used buy killers, even knives are more dangerous than assault weapons.

https://alexaanswers.amazon.ca/question/157l7xgwGaRaZVVnjCtGem

Agree ... and the Ruger Min 14 is not on the list, but uses the exact same round as the AR-15, and will accept high capacity mags.

 

Reading the 'fine print' elsewhere, not only the name on list, but the feature.

So if your Mini 14 doesn't have a 'folding stock', then possibly not banned ???? IF they simply redesign how it loads, as detachable mags will be banned.

 

All the firearms I had, my most powerful, Mauser 8mm would be legal, since no clip, no folding stock & proper length, but I could repetitively reload 5 round in 5 seconds, if wanting.   Along with another, that is barrel feed and held 10 ish rounds.

 

Just silly legislation. 

 

Yet does nothing to stop the criminal from accessing whatever they please.

 

How about a mandatory life sentence with no parole, for anyone, possessing, selling, using an illegal firearm.

 

That would be so much more practical ... but what do I know.

 

Surprisingly, I actually agree with the law ...

... yea, I said that ????

 

As nobody should need more the 5 round (top loading), no mag, to hunt or protect your home.

 

They do make speed loader, so the ability to load 5 or 6 more round in a rifle or revolver takes mere seconds.

 

But I do think, they need to simply enforce the laws they have on the books already, instead of the revolving prison doors.

 

Make the crime, not worth the time.

Edited April 20, 2023 by KhunLA

[transam]

I see the protectors of home owned firearms are out again today..... 

 

Oh, and just for those uninformed, which is easily found on Google............????

 

http://nazarian.no/images/wep/504_AR15_to_M16_Conversion_Book.pdf................

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by transam

[Bkk Brian]

 

3 hours ago, Tug said:

Good it’s another step in the right direction 

Only the gun nuts could disagree with that. Lots more to be done but great news. No country should have assault rifles freely for sale to its civilians.

 

Also from the link:

 

Plus: Besides this year's assault weapons ban, Washington lawmakers also passed a bill that will impose a new 10-day waiting period on firearm purchases, as well as require people to complete firearms safety training before they can buy a gun.

[Purdey]

While I understand people who are peaceful owners of guns for target shooting and hunting, any gun that can blow a child's head and limbs clean off is not required for the aforementioned activities.

Gun fans often say, it is the loonies that shoot innocents that are the problem and that is true. But who gave or sold those guns to loonies has never been answered. How can any country keep guns away from loonies?

Would you agree to an hour-long psychological exam before being allowed to own a gun? Should mentally-impaired folk justify their failure to pass a psychological test by standing by their constitutionally amended rights?

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, Purdey said:

While I understand people who are peaceful owners of guns for target shooting and hunting, any gun that can blow a child's head and limbs clean off is not required for the aforementioned activities.

 

Next time you go hunting for deer, try using a 22 short.  Then again, I guess you could shoot 20 or 30 times, then track it down & cut it's throat.

 

You know, the humane way to hunt ... ????

 

Same way with home protection, use that 22 short ... ????

 

Some people with NO firearm knowledge, really shouldn't post.

 

"How can any country keep guns away from loonies?"

 

You can't .... that's why some folks prefer an equal playing field.

 

Hence the problem of keeping firearms away from law abiding folks.

Edited April 20, 2023 by KhunLA

[billd766]

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

It doesn't add up, Hand guns are the biggest weapon used buy killers, even knives are more dangerous than assault weapons.

https://alexaanswers.amazon.ca/qu

 

estion/157l7xgwGaRaZVVnjCtGem

How many handguns and knives have been used in mass murders this year alone versus assault weapons?

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/102158776

 

Mass shootings involving assault weapons are far deadlier
History has shown that when assault weapons and high-capacity magazines are used in mass shootings, they result in far more deaths and injuries.

 

Poor try at diverting the subject.

 

Again.

 

 

[Purdey]

25 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Next time you go hunting for deer, try using a 22 short.  Then again, I guess you could shoot 20 or 30 times, then track it down & cut it's throat.

 

You know, the humane way to hunt ... ????

 

Same way with home protection, use that 22 short ... ????

 

Some people with NO firearm knowledge, really shouldn't post.

 

"How can any country keep guns away from loonies?"

 

You can't .... that's why some folks prefer an equal playing field.

 

Hence the problem of keeping firearms away from law abiding folks.

I have shot Lee Enfield's for target practice. Did the Founding Fathers shoot AR15s for hunting? Is that why loonies say Jesus would not have been crucified if he had an AR15?

How many examples are there of people with guns shooting loonies before they shot up a school? If it isn't 100% success rate kids will still get their heads shot off. The fact is, you don't have a level playing field as loonies will shoot you before you can draw.

[vandeventer]

28 minutes ago, billd766 said:

How many handguns and knives have been used in mass murders this year alone versus assault weapons?

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/102158776

 

Mass shootings involving assault weapons are far deadlier
History has shown that when assault weapons and high-capacity magazines are used in mass shootings, they result in far more deaths and injuries.

 

Poor try at diverting the subject.

 

Again.

 

 

I was talking murder people not mass murders which only make up a small amount of murders.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

54 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Next time you go hunting for deer, try using a 22 short.  Then again, I guess you could shoot 20 or 30 times, then track it down & cut it's throat.

 

You know, the humane way to hunt ... ????

 

Same way with home protection, use that 22 short ... ????

 

Some people with NO firearm knowledge, really shouldn't post.

 

"How can any country keep guns away from loonies?"

 

You can't .... that's why some folks prefer an equal playing field.

 

Hence the problem of keeping firearms away from law abiding folks.

The majority of AR-15/assault rifle owners don't buy them for hunting though so not sure what your point is.

[nahkit]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Next time you go hunting for deer, try using a 22 short.  Then again, I guess you could shoot 20 or 30 times, then track it down & cut it's throat.

 

You know, the humane way to hunt ... ????

 

Same way with home protection, use that 22 short ... ????

 

Some people with NO firearm knowledge, really shouldn't post.

 

"How can any country keep guns away from loonies?"

 

You can't .... that's why some folks prefer an equal playing field.

 

Hence the problem of keeping firearms away from law abiding folks.

Several states already have laws against using automatic weapons, including the AR-15, for hunting.

Edited April 20, 2023 by nahkit

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, nahkit said:

Several states already have laws against using automatic weapons, including the AR-15, for hunting.

Please stop calling them automatic weapons ... it sound silly and implies much ignorance.

 

Different states have different hunting rules & seasons, and what can or can not be used.  Not much difference if you shoot 1 round at a time, and reload, or have a mag of 5.

 

Though if hunting, you'll only need or get off 1 round.  One could guess, it's so idiots don't try to keep shooting at a moving target.   Maybe a hunter can chime in to clarify, as I am not.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Next time you go hunting for deer, try using a 22 short.  Then again, I guess you could shoot 20 or 30 times, then track it down & cut it's throat.

 

You know, the humane way to hunt ... ????

 

Same way with home protection, use that 22 short ... ????

 

Some people with NO firearm knowledge, really shouldn't post.

 

"How can any country keep guns away from loonies?"

 

You can't .... that's why some folks prefer an equal playing field.

 

Hence the problem of keeping firearms away from law abiding folks.

Thank you for that! I anticipate further review by higher courts !

[KhunLA]

56 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The majority of AR-15/assault rifle owners don't buy them for hunting though so not sure what your point is.

And you would know that how ?

The .223 is a popular round for hunting, and varmint shooting on the ranch.  The Ruger Mini 14 was advertised originally as a 'ranch' rifle.

 

Will agree, many do buy the AR-15 for their ego, since it gets so much press, and looks military.   Frankly I think it's overrated & extremely overpriced.  

 

Pretty easy to accessorize,  if that's what you're into, but can also do that with many, again, such as the Mini-14.   And that comes in SS ????

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

Did the Founding Fathers shoot AR15s for hunting? 

 

The fact is, you don't have a level playing field as loonies will shoot you before you can draw.

 

Actually they, America Flintlocks for hunting used 30, 45, 50 & 55 caliber ball.   Not something you want to get hit by.

 

And yet, we read about loonies stopped, before & during a shooting by law abiding, firearm carrying folks ... go figure.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And you would know that how ?

The .223 is a popular round for hunting, and varmint shooting on the ranch.  The Ruger Mini 14 was advertised originally as a 'ranch' rifle.

 

Will agree, many do buy the AR-15 for their ego, since it gets so much press, and looks military.   Frankly I think it's overrated & extremely overpriced.  

 

Pretty easy to accessorize,  if that's what you're into, but can also do that with many, again, such as the Mini-14.   And that comes in SS ????

Because of the data:

 

Self-defense was the most popular reason AR-15 owners in the poll gave for buying the gun. Around one-third listed it as the main reason for ownership, but nearly two-thirds said that it was “a major reason” for purchasing the rifle.

 

 

https://thereload.com/poll-one-in-twenty-americans-own-an-ar-15/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/41d170dc-1838-4772-a4e4-29d268264e12.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

[transam]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

 

Actually they, America Flintlocks for hunting used 30, 45, 50 & 55 caliber ball.   Not something you want to get hit by.

 

And yet, we read about loonies stopped, before & during a shooting by law abiding, firearm carrying folks ... go figure.

How long does it take to reload one before being mobbed in 2023...?

 

The police and security guards that I have seen in the USA carry guns.

 

In the UK the police do not routinely carry guns, nor do security guards, as gun laws are strict so few incidents...

[KhunLA]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Because of the data:

 

Self-defense was the most popular reason AR-15 owners in the poll gave for buying the gun. Around one-third listed it as the main reason for ownership, but nearly two-thirds said that it was “a major reason” for purchasing the rifle.

 

 

https://thereload.com/poll-one-in-twenty-americans-own-an-ar-15/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/41d170dc-1838-4772-a4e4-29d268264e12.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

Seriously ... ????

"sample of 2,104 gun owners, including 399 AR-15-style rifle owners"

 

Next time they might want to ask the folks in Wisconsin, with over four million people with registered hunting licenses, tags, permits, and stamps (2021).

 

Also, wouldn't the #1 use be 'self defense', since simply there 365 days a year.   Those that hunt (legally), only get a week or 2 in some states.  

 

So if answering a poll, what would come to someone's mind first as an answer.

Edited April 20, 2023 by KhunLA

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, KhunLA said:

Seriously ... ????

"sample of 2,104 gun owners, including 399 AR-15-style rifle owners"

Yes seriously a sample size that matched previously with polls from previous estimates from The National Shooting Sports Foundation and the National Firearms Survey.

 

Do you really need explaining how Ipsos poll's work

 

Do you have anything to counter it aside from "I don't care"

[transam]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes seriously a sample size that matched previously with polls from previous estimates from The National Shooting Sports Foundation and the National Firearms Survey.

 

Do you really need explaining how Ipsos poll's work

 

Do you have anything to counter it aside from "I don't care"

Fink he maybe one of those USA frauditors, that go round shouting about their amendment rights, regardless of the implications.............????

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes seriously a sample size that matched previously with polls from previous estimates from The National Shooting Sports Foundation and the National Firearms Survey.

 

Do you really need explaining how Ipsos poll's work

 

Do you have anything to counter it aside from "I don't care"

All the people (gun owners) I knew, not 1 owned an AR-15, or anything like it.

 

I'm going with personal knowledge & experience.

 

And from wiki:

"Hunting

Many hunters prefer using AR-15 style rifles because of their versatility, accuracy, wide variety of available features, and wide variety of calibers (see below).[89] Collapsible stocks are convenient for hunters who pack their rifles into remote hunting locations or for length of pull adjustments to fit any sized hunter.[90] Construction with lightweight polymers and corrosion-resistant alloys makes these rifles preferred for hunting in moist environments with less concern about rusting or warping wood stocks. Positioning of the AR-15 safety is an improvement over traditional bolt action hunting rifles. Many states require hunters to use reduced-capacity magazines.  If a hunter misses with a first shot, the self-loading feature enables rapid follow-up shots against dangerous animals like feral pigs or rapidly moving animals like jackrabbits.[89] Hunters shooting larger game animals often use upper receivers and barrels adapted for larger cartridges or heavier bullets. Several states prohibit the use of .22 caliber cartridges like the .223 Remington on large game."

Edited April 20, 2023 by KhunLA

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

All the people (gun owners) I knew, not 1 owned an AR-15, or anything like it.

They were obviously not one of the 6 percent of Americans who do own an AR-15, about 1 in 20.

 

From your wiki. 

 

"Many hunters prefer using AR-15 style rifles because of their versatility, accuracy, wide variety of available features, and wide variety of calibers"

 

So that "many hunters" is actually a tiny minority of AR-15 owners.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[billd766]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Next time you go hunting for deer, try using a 22 short.  Then again, I guess you could shoot 20 or 30 times, then track it down & cut it's throat.

 

You know, the humane way to hunt ... ????

 

Same way with home protection, use that 22 short ... ????

 

Some people with NO firearm knowledge, really shouldn't post.

 

"How can any country keep guns away from loonies?"

 

You can't .... that's why some folks prefer an equal playing field.

 

Hence the problem of keeping firearms away from law abiding folks.

Why do you have the NEED to shoot a deer?

 

Has a deer ever hunted you for your meat?

 

You can buy the deer meat in a supermarket.

[Bangkok Barry]

Banned in 10 of the obviously un-United States. So i guess they'll just have to cross over the State border to buy where there's no ban. Maybe they need to set up custom checks at every State border.

 

I mean, come on! What is the point of one state banning and another not? Really!