9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Unlikely that Harris would be the nominee if Biden were to withdraw early.

 

There are a couple better candidates.

 

Likewise, Trump is the weakest Republican candidate, except for maybe DeSantis. Of course, most of the other candidates haven't been roughed up, particularly that Big Pharma con man.

I doubt that Biden will withdraw before the election as Harris has as much chance of winning as I would.

IMO the plan is to get them elected and then, after a while, Biden has to retire, leaving her the big chair. If they couldn't get hillary elected they are IMO going to get a woman POTUS somehow.

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by thaibeachlovers

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I doubt that Biden will withdraw before the election as Harris has as much chance of winning as I would.

IMO the plan is to get them elected and then, after a while, Biden has to retire, leaving her the big chair. If they couldn't get hillary elected they are IMO going to get a woman POTUS somehow.

I can't argue with your speculation.

 

But, if Biden goes bad like Mitch McConnell, he will drop out early.

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I doubt that Biden will withdraw before the election as Harris has as much chance of winning as I would.

IMO the plan is to get them elected and then, after a while, Biden has to retire, leaving her the big chair. If they couldn't get hillary elected they are IMO going to get a woman POTUS somehow.

It does seem like the only plan they have at the moment.  So,  who then would replace Biden,  if not Harris? 

Btw id like to double down on my comments about elder abuse. Mitch McConnell,  an 81 year old had a petit mal seizure and they sent him out for more.  Disgraceful stuff. 

48 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

wrong.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/christopher-wray-congress-contempt/index.html

 

The document has origins in a tranche of documents that Rudy Giuliani provided to the Justice Department in 2020, people briefed on the matter said.

From your link

 

"While the 1023 form documents the claims from the informant, it doesn’t provide proof that they are true, people briefed on the matter said. The FBI and prosecutors who reviewed the information couldn’t corroborate the claims."

 

Can you concede that by refusing to investigate the claims ie checking his bank accounts or anything and just censoring and covering up the evidence that the FBI and prosecutors dropped the ball here.

 

the left's ever changing narrative is a classic. I think they are now at stage " joe biden was not officially in business with his son". The 20th narrative so far, real credible guys, real credible.

14 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

From your link

 

"While the 1023 form documents the claims from the informant, it doesn’t provide proof that they are true, people briefed on the matter said. The FBI and prosecutors who reviewed the information couldn’t corroborate the claims."

 

Can you concede that by refusing to investigate the claims ie checking his bank accounts or anything and just censoring and covering up the evidence that the FBI and prosecutors dropped the ball here.

 

the left's ever changing narrative is a classic. I think they are now at stage " joe biden was not officially in business with his son". The 20th narrative so far, real credible guys, real credible.

If you read the 1023 form, you will read that the informant also stated that he was unable to corroborate the claim.

 

As to Joe Biden accounts, he has published his tax returns and all his money had declared and legitimate sources. 

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

No. You said the opposite 10 minutes ago. I quote your entire post

 

"Pence and Biden never declassified any documents. Nor did Trump."

 

Shall we move on now that's sorted?

You conflated authorization to declassify with actually declassify.

39 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

From your link

 

"While the 1023 form documents the claims from the informant, it doesn’t provide proof that they are true, people briefed on the matter said. The FBI and prosecutors who reviewed the information couldn’t corroborate the claims."

 

Can you concede that by refusing to investigate the claims ie checking his bank accounts or anything and just censoring and covering up the evidence that the FBI and prosecutors dropped the ball here.

 

the left's ever changing narrative is a classic. I think they are now at stage " joe biden was not officially in business with his son". The 20th narrative so far, real credible guys, real credible.

1. How do you know they didn't.

 

2. And accusation is insufficient trigger an investigation. One needs to show probable cause. Otherwise every wingnut would make every allegation under the sun. Oh, wait...

 

Furthermore, if this is the same F1023, the FBI called and they want to speak to the guy.

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by ozimoron

25 minutes ago, candide said:

If you read the 1023 form, you will read that the informant also stated that he was unable to corroborate the claim.

 

As to Joe Biden accounts, he has published his tax returns and all his money had declared and legitimate sources. 

But his tax returns, nor those of his family made mention of these illicit and censored millions.

 Ergo, we can not trust the bidens nor their weaponized DOJ

 

"Federal agencies and the Justice Department dragged out for five years the investigation of Hunter’s gun, tax and foreign influence peddling.The statute of limitations already expired on several of his crimes, but that was OK because of the spelling of his last name.Despite a string of crimes that would have sent average Americans up the river for a decade, Biden’s Justice Department cut a deal in June that permitted Hunter to plead guilty to misdemeanors, not serve a day in jail and dodge any other federal charges."

https://nypost.com/2023/08/11/merrick-garlands-latest-dirty-trick-to-protect-the-bidens?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

But his tax returns, nor those of his family made mention of these illicit and censored millions.

 Ergo, we can not trust the bidens nor their weaponized DOJ

 

"Federal agencies and the Justice Department dragged out for five years the investigation of Hunter’s gun, tax and foreign influence peddling.The statute of limitations already expired on several of his crimes, but that was OK because of the spelling of his last name.Despite a string of crimes that would have sent average Americans up the river for a decade, Biden’s Justice Department cut a deal in June that permitted Hunter to plead guilty to misdemeanors, not serve a day in jail and dodge any other federal charges."

https://nypost.com/2023/08/11/merrick-garlands-latest-dirty-trick-to-protect-the-bidens?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

Why would Joe's tax returns that are public since 1998 each year mention non existent gains? 

 

Where has it ever been stated that any family members made public tax returns? Have you seen them?

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But his tax returns, nor those of his family made mention of these illicit and censored millions.

 Ergo, we can not trust the bidens nor their weaponized DOJ

 

"Federal agencies and the Justice Department dragged out for five years the investigation of Hunter’s gun, tax and foreign influence peddling.The statute of limitations already expired on several of his crimes, but that was OK because of the spelling of his last name.Despite a string of crimes that would have sent average Americans up the river for a decade, Biden’s Justice Department cut a deal in June that permitted Hunter to plead guilty to misdemeanors, not serve a day in jail and dodge any other federal charges."

https://nypost.com/2023/08/11/merrick-garlands-latest-dirty-trick-to-protect-the-bidens?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

There can be 2 reasons why Joe Biden's tax returns made no mention of those millions. Either he's lying or he never got any of them. The publicly released information from his tax returns easily accounts for present standard of living. There is no reason to think that he is hiding anything. Except that his last name is Biden. Which apparently among right wingers is proof enough of guilt.

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But his tax returns, nor those of his family made mention of these illicit and censored millions.

 Ergo, we can not trust the bidens nor their weaponized DOJ

 

"Federal agencies and the Justice Department dragged out for five years the investigation of Hunter’s gun, tax and foreign influence peddling.The statute of limitations already expired on several of his crimes, but that was OK because of the spelling of his last name.Despite a string of crimes that would have sent average Americans up the river for a decade, Biden’s Justice Department cut a deal in June that permitted Hunter to plead guilty to misdemeanors, not serve a day in jail and dodge any other federal charges."

https://nypost.com/2023/08/11/merrick-garlands-latest-dirty-trick-to-protect-the-bidens?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

Five years?  Interesting that the dragging out began under the Trump administration.

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But his tax returns, nor those of his family made mention of these illicit and censored millions.

 Ergo, we can not trust the bidens nor their weaponized DOJ

 

"Federal agencies and the Justice Department dragged out for five years the investigation of Hunter’s gun, tax and foreign influence peddling.The statute of limitations already expired on several of his crimes, but that was OK because of the spelling of his last name.Despite a string of crimes that would have sent average Americans up the river for a decade, Biden’s Justice Department cut a deal in June that permitted Hunter to plead guilty to misdemeanors, not serve a day in jail and dodge any other federal charges."

https://nypost.com/2023/08/11/merrick-garlands-latest-dirty-trick-to-protect-the-bidens?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

1. If the wealth and revenues of Joe Biden are explained by the sources of revenues declared, there's no reason to evoke other reasons. There is no unexplained wealth.

2. Most events stated by the so-called IRS whistleblowers occurred when Trump was President, with a Republican DOJ, a Republican FBI director and a Republican investigator.

 

3. As mentioned to you several times, the judge rejected the plea-deal in the interest of Hunter Biden (from the judge own words cited below).

 

"Clark called the deal "null and void" after a prosecutor told the judge that Hunter Biden isn't immune from future charges in the investigation, including potential counts under the Foreign Agents Registration Act."

 

"I have concerns about the agreement," Noreika said. "I can't let him plea to something if he thinks he has protection from something and he doesn't.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-plea-deal-court-judge/

 

 

12 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

A simple answer. Nobody has been able to account for the 10s of millions of $ the biden family including children received into a web of shady llc's and shell companies from extremely unsavoury foreigners linked to despotic regimes in countries VP biden held huge influence.

The only answer the left had to this was to falsely claim without evidence that the payments were a conspiracy theory and to engage in deeply troubling censorship of inconvenient facts against their man. They banned fact from discussion!

Now we know the payments were made, and I think we all know why. The evidence is overwhelming. 

 

Bank records

Undisputed witness testimony

Fd1023's outlining bribery in Ukraine

The laptop

All the emails

Bank suspicious transfer alerts. 175 of them

Inexplicable wealth

No denials

A constantly changing narrative by biden bros.

IRS whistleblowers stating the DOJ botched the investigation and let SOL expire on major felonies

Garlands lies and changing narrative.

Did I miss anything?

Yes, you missed any actual evidence. Everything you mention there is merely unsupported allegations, supposition, or non-evidentiary documentation.

 

Not only is it decidedly not "overwhelming evidence" against Joe Biden - it's not any kind of evidence against him.

22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and millions will support Trump over Harris ( does anyone believe that Biden could last another 4 years as POTUS? ).

Experts do.

Most Likely President Joe Biden Will Live Through A Second Term, Life Expectancy Data Show

Nikki Haley, a Republican candidate for president, recently stated on Fox News that, ‘‘if you vote for Joe Biden, you really are counting on a President Harris because the idea that he would make it until 86 years old is not something that I think is likely.”

While that might make a catchy political sound bite, it completely ignores the current science about demography and longevity. It also ignores Joe Biden’s current state of health.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevevernon/2023/04/30/most-likely-president-joe-biden-will-live-through-a-second-term/?sh=25b41dbd490e

Sunny is being reamed by . . . facts. 

 

 

On 9/2/2023 at 1:22 PM, Danderman123 said:

This is just basic logic, its surprising you can't see it.

It's not though . . . surprising that is.

Edited September 3, 20232 yr by Sing_Sling

19 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But his tax returns, nor those of his family made mention of these illicit and censored millions.

 Ergo, we can not trust the bidens nor their weaponized DOJ

 

"Federal agencies and the Justice Department dragged out for five years the investigation of Hunter’s gun, tax and foreign influence peddling.The statute of limitations already expired on several of his crimes, but that was OK because of the spelling of his last name.Despite a string of crimes that would have sent average Americans up the river for a decade, Biden’s Justice Department cut a deal in June that permitted Hunter to plead guilty to misdemeanors, not serve a day in jail and dodge any other federal charges."

https://nypost.com/2023/08/11/merrick-garlands-latest-dirty-trick-to-protect-the-bidens?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

How many people do you know are sitting in jail because they filed a tax return late?

19 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But his tax returns, nor those of his family made mention of these illicit and censored millions.

???? ???? ???? ???? 

 

19 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Ergo

 . . . nothing.  If someone doesn't declare something that wasn't . . . Ergo - use logic, but keep others entertained.  

Thank you ????

Edited September 3, 20232 yr by Sing_Sling

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

Experts do.

Most Likely President Joe Biden Will Live Through A Second Term, Life Expectancy Data Show

Nikki Haley, a Republican candidate for president, recently stated on Fox News that, ‘‘if you vote for Joe Biden, you really are counting on a President Harris because the idea that he would make it until 86 years old is not something that I think is likely.”

While that might make a catchy political sound bite, it completely ignores the current science about demography and longevity. It also ignores Joe Biden’s current state of health.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevevernon/2023/04/30/most-likely-president-joe-biden-will-live-through-a-second-term/?sh=25b41dbd490e

Being alive and healthy enough to serve as POTUS are 2 separate issues.

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Being alive and healthy enough to serve as POTUS are 2 separate issues.

No matter how unhealthy he is there is always someone competent to take over. Not a worry. What is worrying is having a nut case in charge. At this point Trump is looking a lot like he belong in a straight jacket. Or at least in jail.

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No matter how unhealthy he is there is always someone competent to take over. Not a worry. What is worrying is having a nut case in charge. At this point Trump is looking a lot like he belong in a straight jacket. Or at least in jail.

Which could be the game plan for harris. 

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Which could be the game plan for harris. 

The great far right talking point. You're implying that Harris chose Biden to run as president so she could ultimately become president? The prospect of a VP taking over from a president has been the game plan since forever for all presidents. I'm not sure that a person who was AG of California would be a disaster for the presidency. As I always say, sane presidents takes advice from experts anyway.

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The great far right talking point. You're implying that Harris chose Biden to run as president so she could ultimately become president? The prospect of a VP taking over from a president has been the game plan since forever for all presidents. I'm not sure that a person who was AG of California would be a disaster for the presidency. As I always say, sane presidents takes advice from experts anyway.

You don't think harris would be on call if joe gets a second chance. Man, she would sleep with the game shoes, send me in Coach.

 

America knows biden is too feeble and harris is to lazy I guess you would call her. Why the low poll numbers.

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You don't think harris would be on call if joe gets a second chance. Man, she would sleep with the game shoes, send me in Coach.

 

America knows biden is too feeble and harris is to lazy I guess you would call her. Why the low poll numbers.

Of course Harris would be on call. One reason she got the gig is because of her fund raising ability at the time. That's a precondition for every single VP nominee since the dawn of time. Despite the taling points, one doesn't get to be AG of CA by being lazy. Period.

 

At this time in the presidency, her poll numbers are not worse than Trump or Pence. She was not a turn off for voters in 2020 so why should she be now. You can save the "failed border policy" furphies, they ain't true. Border immigration has increased because job prospects for illegal immigrants have increased. Simple as that.

An off topic trolling post in violation of our Community Standards has been removed.

20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Of course Harris would be on call. One reason she got the gig is because of her fund raising ability at the time. That's a precondition for every single VP nominee since the dawn of time. Despite the taling points, one doesn't get to be AG of CA by being lazy. Period.

 

At this time in the presidency, her poll numbers are not worse than Trump or Pence. She was not a turn off for voters in 2020 so why should she be now. You can save the "failed border policy" furphies, they ain't true. Border immigration has increased because job prospects for illegal immigrants have increased. Simple as that.

harris is vp because she ticked off the boxes, she was given a chance to shine with the border and she did basically nothing. I've listened to her babbling as has the world. She's a joke. Not a bad gig if you can get it.

12 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

harris is vp because she ticked off the boxes, she was given a chance to shine with the border and she did basically nothing. I've listened to her babbling as has the world. She's a joke. Not a bad gig if you can get it.

Did the wall qualify as "doing something" in your book?

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Did the wall qualify as "doing something" in your book?

Now you're off on a new tangent. Should the US have a barrier to force people to knock? Yes. Obama did it and it was fine, but because Trump was loud, it was wrong.

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Now you're off on a new tangent. Should the US have a barrier to force people to knock? Yes. Obama did it and it was fine, but because Trump was loud, it was wrong.

Obama did it? I think that's stretching a long bow. Did he plan to build it from coast to coast? The problem with the whole wall dog whistle is that most illegal immigrants arrive by air.

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Obama did it? I think that's stretching a long bow. Did he plan to build it from coast to coast? The problem with the whole wall dog whistle is that most illegal immigrants arrive by air.

And again you deflect, getting tiresome.

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Being alive and healthy enough to serve as POTUS are 2 separate issues.

thaibeachlover claimed the odds  were low I showed him otherwise. You got a problem with that?

Edited September 3, 20232 yr by placeholder