onthedarkside Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter. Trump and his aides also allegedly carried out a “dress rehearsal” for moving sensitive papers even before his office received the May 2022 subpoena, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive ongoing investigation. Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and sometimes showed them to others, these people said. READ MORE https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/25/trump-classified-documents-mar-a-lago/ No paywall archive link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted May 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, onthedarkside said: Trump and his aides also allegedly carried out a “dress rehearsal” for moving sensitive papers What a maroon. I guess this proves "intent". And did Trump get in his full drag costume: hair, make-up, girdle, high heels (his shoe lifts)? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted May 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2023 This is the end result of always getting your way and never suffering any consequences,I have a feeling old Donnie is going to find out about consequences real soon wonder if he’s given any thought about what happened to his oaf keeper pal and applying that to himself?popcorn at the ready lol ???? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jerrymahoney Posted May 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) Mar-a-Lago Worker Provided Prosecutors New Details in Trump Documents Case The day before a key meeting last year between a lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and officials seeking the return of classified documents in Mr. Trump’s possession, a maintenance worker at the former president’s private club saw an aide moving boxes into a storage room, according to a person familiar with the matter. The maintenance worker offered to help the aide — Walt Nauta, who was Mr. Trump’s valet in the White House — move the boxes and ended up lending him a hand. But the worker had no idea what was inside the boxes, the person familiar with the matter said. The maintenance worker has shared that account with federal prosecutors, the person said. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/25/us/politics/mar-a-lago-trump-classified-documents.html So shades of the 1972 Watergate break-in where a night-time security guard, who saw a taped door, helped lead to the capture of the Watergate burglars/wiretappers. So this break in the Mar-a-Lago documents case maybe comes from the janitor. Edited May 26, 2023 by jerrymahoney 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 The boxes were moved into the storage room: okay, got that. I want to know where the boxes were moved from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just getting ready for The Trump Presidential Library, working out the kinks circulating books and documents out to "Club" members, then back on the "shelves". I still don't get his odd predilection for these documents? Why steal them in the first place? Did he get pleasure from showing them to "friends"? And Evan Corcoran, damn you for taking such copious and detailed notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter. How and who reports these “suspicious”and “possible” obstruction allegations to the news organizations ? What are there motives! Sad state of affairs my countries 3 letter agencies have created imop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, riclag said: Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter. How and who reports these “suspicious”and “possible” obstruction allegations to the news organizations ? What are there motives! Sad state of affairs my countries 3 letter agencies have created imop Its called investigative journalism, you know, that pesky thing that uncovers secrets and things that would otherwise go unnoticed. Its what democracies have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted May 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2023 6 hours ago, riclag said: Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter. How and who reports these “suspicious”and “possible” obstruction allegations to the news organizations ? What are there motives! Sad state of affairs my countries 3 letter agencies have created imop So if an fbi employee releases information you call him a whistleblower, if a trump employee does the same you question the motives 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 6 hours ago, riclag said: How and who reports these “suspicious”and “possible” obstruction allegations to the news organizations ? What are there motives! Sad state of affairs my countries 3 letter agencies have created imop Wow! You are onto something there. Very "suspicious" when the press reports information from "sources". What is this "journalism" thing? Scary I think, he says reaching for the Reynolds Wrap. And yeah, those 3 letter agencies, they were so squeaky clean back in the 50's, 60's, 70's. Heck, they've even tried to entrap BLM (Colorado) two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 hours ago, riclag said: Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter. How and who reports these “suspicious”and “possible” obstruction allegations to the news organizations ? What are there motives! Sad state of affairs my countries 3 letter agencies have created imop But those agencies did NOT create the problem. Trump did that all on his own. If he had not illegally (or legally in his tiny brain cell), none of this would have happened 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 CNN reports that Tom Fitton has been advising Trump that he should not have returned any documents and should not give back any more https://www.mediamatters.org/cnn/cnn-reports-tom-fitton-has-been-advising-trump-he-should-not-have-returned-any-documents-and Tom Fitton heads up the political action group that partners with Lawyers , and other experts (Judicial Watch )unfortunately they would be determined by some on the left as nefarious only because of their party affiliation imop Judicial Watch tried a case similar to What Trump is going through many years ago involving classified material and the National Archives the judge ,Amy Jackson decided against Judicial Watch !im not gonna post the link for fear it would steer the topic off! But only mentioning it as his possible reasons he and others have! Trump never stole anything he believes he was within his right to possess docs especially the ones he declassified with his memos imop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, riclag said: CNN reports that Tom Fitton has been advising Trump that he should not have returned any documents and should not give back any more https://www.mediamatters.org/cnn/cnn-reports-tom-fitton-has-been-advising-trump-he-should-not-have-returned-any-documents-and Tom Fitton heads up the political action group that partners with Lawyers , and other experts (Judicial Watch )unfortunately they would be determined by some on the left as nefarious only because of their party affiliation imop Judicial Watch tried a case similar to What Trump is going through many years ago involving classified material and the National Archives the judge ,Amy Jackson decided against Judicial Watch !im not gonna post the link for fear it would steer the topic off! But only mentioning it as his possible reasons he and others have! Trump never stole anything he believes he was within his right to possess docs especially the ones he declassified with his memos imop That report is a year old. Tom Fitton, the same right wing conservative activist who was urging aides Molly Michael and Dan Scavino to have President Trump declare victory and stop the counting of ballots by midnight on November 3. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosLobo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, riclag said: CNN reports that Tom Fitton has been advising Trump that he should not have returned any documents and should not give back any more https://www.mediamatters.org/cnn/cnn-reports-tom-fitton-has-been-advising-trump-he-should-not-have-returned-any-documents-and Tom Fitton heads up the political action group that partners with Lawyers , and other experts (Judicial Watch )unfortunately they would be determined by some on the left as nefarious only because of their party affiliation imop Judicial Watch tried a case similar to What Trump is going through many years ago involving classified material and the National Archives the judge ,Amy Jackson decided against Judicial Watch !im not gonna post the link for fear it would steer the topic off! But only mentioning it as his possible reasons he and others have! Trump never stole anything he believes he was within his right to possess docs especially the ones he declassified with his memos imop Tom Fitton is president of Judicial Watch, He dabbles in backing Trump's conspiracy theories from COVID to climate change. 'Researchers found that Fitton was the third-most prolific purveyor of election misinformation'. Paradoxically, the motto of Judicial Watch is “Because no one is above the law”. Tom Fitton - Wikipedia Edited May 27, 2023 by LosLobo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted May 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2023 59 minutes ago, riclag said: CNN reports that Tom Fitton has been advising Trump that he should not have returned any documents and should not give back any more https://www.mediamatters.org/cnn/cnn-reports-tom-fitton-has-been-advising-trump-he-should-not-have-returned-any-documents-and Tom Fitton heads up the political action group that partners with Lawyers , and other experts (Judicial Watch )unfortunately they would be determined by some on the left as nefarious only because of their party affiliation imop Judicial Watch tried a case similar to What Trump is going through many years ago involving classified material and the National Archives the judge ,Amy Jackson decided against Judicial Watch !im not gonna post the link for fear it would steer the topic off! But only mentioning it as his possible reasons he and others have! Trump never stole anything he believes he was within his right to possess docs especially the ones he declassified with his memos imop He was told otherwise in no uncertain terms and if he had any doubts they should have been dispelled when a subpoena arrived a year before the raid. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Proof that Trump shared Mar-a-Lago docs 'changes the game' for Jack Smith indictment Appearing on MSNBC's "The Katie Phang Show," Guardian reporter Hugo Lowell claimed Donald Trump might have avoided being hit with violations of the Espionage Act if it had not been reported that he shared highly sensitive government documents with friends at his Mar-a-Lago resort. According to Lowell, who has been reporting that the documents may have been hidden from Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran, a new report that Trump left documents laying about and might have shown them to others makes it more likely he'll face more severe charges if that is true. "The Washington Post reported this week about how prosecutors seem to have evidence that Trump was showing highly sensitive documents to other people," https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-espionage-2660715138/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) Random poll from thehill.com. What Do You Think? Which best describes your potential vote for former President Trump in the 2024 presidential election? Definitely voting for him 19% Probably voting for him 12% Probably not voting for him 4% Definitely not voting for him 60% Based on 1,711 responses. 72% of respondents were white. Edited May 28, 2023 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 On 5/26/2023 at 4:56 AM, onthedarkside said: Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter. Is this an allegation or fact? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 On 5/27/2023 at 8:51 PM, riclag said: CNN reports don't believe a word they say when it comes to Trump 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 46 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Is this an allegation or fact? Also caught on security camera... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, candide said: Also caught on security camera... link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Neeranam said: link? Old news already. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-aide-caught-camera-moving-boxes-mar-a-lago-storage-2022-10?r=US&IR=T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Neeranam said: Is this an allegation or fact? Anonymous accusations made my name less people Democrats believe it as fact Republicans think its all made up and no basis in fact After all , anyone can write a report with the only evidence being "someone told me" , which happens quite frequently . Only evidence being "an anonymous person" said 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, candide said: Old news already. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-aide-caught-camera-moving-boxes-mar-a-lago-storage-2022-10?r=US&IR=T Hardly proof lol Quote The Times spoke to three people familiar with the matter, who said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Also, if no relevant documents were found in the raid/visit and prosecutions were not bought against Trump , a good excuse for the F.B.I would be to say that the main documents were moved by Trump the day before . This story would be rather beneficial to the F.B.I and a good excuse for them , although I am not suggestion this story is coming from them , as they would never do anything like that 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Hardly proof lol Duly noted. Stay tuned! BTW, the missing hidden documents have been found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, candide said: Duly noted. Stay tuned! BTW, the missing hidden documents have been found. Well, where did they find them and what was in those documents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Well, where did they find them and what was in those documents? The content of the documents is irrelevant to some of the potential charges, in particular the obstruction of justice charge. But feel free to give free rein to your imagination about FBI conspiracies. Edited May 28, 2023 by candide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, candide said: The content of the documents is irrelevant to some of the potential charges, in particular the obstruction of justice charge. But feel free to give free rein to your imagination about FBI conspiracies. No, I don't believe for one second that the F.B.I would do anything like that , like passing fake stories to the media to cover up their mistake, the FBI wouldnt do that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: No, I don't believe for one second that the F.B.I would do anything like that , like passing fake stories to the media to cover up their mistake, the FBI wouldnt do that Which mistake have they made in this case? Any evidence of it? Or is it just your imagination? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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