Rampant racism alleged by Black workers at California Tesla factory

[onthedarkside]

 

Tesla may face a class-action lawsuit after 240 Black factory workers in California described rampant racism and discrimination at the electric automaker's San Francisco Bay Area plant, including frequent use of racial slurs and references to the manufacturing site as a plantation or slave ship.

 

The testimonies filed Monday in Alameda County Superior Court come from contractors and employees who worked on the production floor of the factory in Fremont, roughly 40 miles southeast of San Francisco. The vast majority worked at the site between 2016 and now. 

 

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[bendejo]

21 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

including frequent use of racial slurs and references to the manufacturing site as a plantation or slave ship.

One should take note that the owner of the company is of South African origins.  And from his antics in the media, he appears to have sociopathic tendencies.  They were perhaps expecting a benevolent and uplifting work environment?

 

[Tug]

I concur I remember what he did at Twitter seems he pushes really hard not in the least surprised 

[EVENKEEL]

Was it blacks making these alegedly  racist remarks? The link doesn't specify

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Was it blacks making these alegedly  racist remarks? The link doesn't specify

No it was not, your reading skills need attention.

 

[youreavinalaff]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No it was not, your reading skills need attention.

 

I can't see any reference with regards to colour of those causing the problems.

Edited June 12, 2023 by youreavinalaff

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I can't see any reference with regards of colour of those causing the problems.

Irrelevant. 240 black workers have complained. Are they all lying?

[youreavinalaff]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Irrelevant. 240 black workers have complained. Are they all lying?

Are they lying? Surely that's to be discovered with the law suit.

 

I was replying to a post that suggested colour had been confirmed. I cannot see that. I was hoping for confirmation. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by youreavinalaff

[Pink Mist]

A reported Troll post and reply have been removed.

 

As a reminder Please stay civil to each other

[James105]

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe you too should read and inwardly digest the report.

Weird how it is alleged to have been going on for so long and was so prevalent yet no-one seems to have thought to capture any of these racial slurs on the video/audio recording device that everyone carries around in their pockets nowadays.    

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, James105 said:

Weird how it is alleged to have been going on for so long and was so prevalent yet no-one seems to have thought to capture any of these racial slurs on the video/audio recording device that everyone carries around in their pockets nowadays.    

Not quite as weird as you trying to obfuscate allegations of racism.

[youreavinalaff]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not quite as weird as you trying to obfuscate allegations of racism.

Or your lack of proof to back your statement that non blacks are responsible.

[ozimoron]

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

Or your lack of proof to back your statement that non blacks are responsible.

It's irrelevant whether or not non blacks are responsible. That said, it's likely.

[youreavinalaff]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's irrelevant whether or not non blacks are responsible. That said, it's likely.

I'm just trying to get proof from someone who has already confirmed it. 

 

Maybe you can confirm it's  " likely", or is that just a personal assumption?

[ThailandRyan]

10 minutes ago, James105 said:

Weird how it is alleged to have been going on for so long and was so prevalent yet no-one seems to have thought to capture any of these racial slurs on the video/audio recording device that everyone carries around in their pockets nowadays.    

In what way is it weird? You do realize that many companies forbid the use and carrying of cellular phones or any devices while in the work place right?

 

https://clario.co/cell-phone-policy-at-work/

 

Some of the largest employers in the U.S. are known for banning cell phone usage completely at work. Below are two of the most notable companies with strict cell phone policies

 

Amazon 

Fedex

 

So what's to say Tesla does not have such a policy, and if it does, tell us again how they could have audio and visually recorded theses racial slurs.

[James105]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

In what way is it weird? You do realize that many companies forbid the use and carrying of cellular phones or any devices while in the work place right?

 

https://clario.co/cell-phone-policy-at-work/

 

Some of the largest employers in the U.S. are known for banning cell phone usage completely at work. Below are two of the most notable companies with strict cell phone policies

 

Amazon 

Fedex

 

So what's to say Tesla does not have such a policy, and if it does, tell us again how they could have audio and visually recorded theses racial slurs.

This article is about Tesla.   It's not about Amazon employees, nor is it about Fedex employees.   

 

If you want to claim Tesla does not allow their employees to use their phones at work how about you provide a link to an article that claims this about Tesla.  

[ozimoron]

22 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I'm just trying to get proof from someone who has already confirmed it. 

 

Maybe you can confirm it's  " likely", or is that just a personal assumption?

Why? It isn't relevant what race or color, anyone can be racist, even against their own race.

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, James105 said:

This article is about Tesla.   It's not about Amazon employees, nor is it about Fedex employees.   

 

If you want to claim Tesla does not allow their employees to use their phones at work how about you provide a link to an article that claims this about Tesla.  

Tesla has a rule which prohibits many things from being said about the company or doing while at work.  One only has to read between the lines to understand why certain things are not recorded.  There are many links you can find on employees being terminated for sharing a video on-line of situations or incidents which happened while employed by Tesla.

 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/tesla-fires-employee-who-posted-youtube-videos-of-full-self-driving-accident/

 

https://www.hotcars.com/things-tesla-employees-arent-allowed-to-do-at-work/#work-40-hour-weeks

All of Musk's employees sign confidentially agreements, so very little has actually been known about what goes on behind the scenes of Tesla. But a while back there were a few whistleblowers who pulled back the curtain and showed us the peculiar and sometimes dark sides of working for Musk.

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Why? It isn't relevant what race or color, anyone can be racist, even against their own race.

Indeed they can. However, there us a post on here confirming those responsible were non blacks. I'm interested to know how they know. That us relevant to this discussion.

 

I'll await the response from said poster.

[Chomper Higgot]

48 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Or your lack of proof to back your statement that non blacks are responsible.

It’s not for me to prove anything.

 

It’s a court filing, the proof or otherwise will be presented in court.

 

 

[chalawaan]

All of Musk's endeavours are run like a dumpster fire.

The best and brightest can be fired on a pique of Elons rage.

The infamous "pedo guy" remark during the cave rescue drama, for which he paid dearly in court, gives us some idea of his emotional maturity. 

 

PS: He's also being played by China big time. I can't wait for that to fall apart. 

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by chalawaan

[RanongCat]

Tesla site has limit on life. All going going gone Texas. Last chance at redundancy bye bye ?

[giddyup]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Irrelevant. 240 black workers have complained. Are they all lying?

People have been known to lie when it comes to money and law suits.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, giddyup said:

People have been known to lie when it comes to money and law suits.

We all want the charges to not be proven but some of us aren't so craven as to accuse 240 plaintiffs of lying even before the case is heard.

[giddyup]

Just now, ozimoron said:

We all want the charges to not be proven but some of us aren't so craven as to accuse 240 plaintiffs of lying even before the case is heard.

I never said they were lying, I said it wasn't unknown for people to lie, especially where there's a financial windfall.

[ozimoron]

Just now, giddyup said:

I never said they were lying, I said it wasn't unknown for people to lie, especially where there's a financial windfall.

A generalised statement of the obvious with no intent and unrelated to the topic? There's a clear insinuation in your post that you believe they are lying. I would rather wait and see.

[Gecko123]

I happen to have had a fair amount of experience with Employment Practices Liability risks in the automobile industry during my insurance career. My insurance company wrote the EPL on New United Motors Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI) which was the former joint venture between GM and Toyota based in the same plant in Fremont, CA that Tesla now operates, and I was a point of contact person for the NUMMI plant, spent many many hours in the plant, and studied EPL issues in the automobile industry. 

 

While I am no fan of Elon Musk, it should be noted that Employment Practices Liability issues existed in the NUMMI plant as well and there have been numerous individual and class action EPL lawsuits over the years at virtually every US car manufacturer. 

 

One of the biggest challenges in an assembly line operation is that the line controls the worker's activity because the line has to be kept moving. This tightly controls things like bathroom breaks, and the moment-to-moment movement of the worker. This creates additional stresses on workers because it's as if they have two bosses: their supervisor and the line itself, and that stress sometimes manifests itself in unhealthy ways.

 

An auto assembly plant also has a very flat management structure: lots of workers and relatively few managers. Due to the spread out assembly environment, team dynamics and dysfunctional behavior are not always easy to spot and correct quickly. An auto assembly line work force is almost always predominantly male due to the physical nature of the work, and this, historically, has created hostile work place and sexual harassment issues for female employees.

 

From a racial standpoint, automobile manufacturing jobs were (and still are) some of the highest paying blue collar jobs out there, and there is a great deal of competition for these positions. Historically, people were hired and promoted based on recommendations from existing workers and who they knew, perhaps not always based on merit. This creates an inter-generational sense of entitlement and subtle status discrimination. Tesla had a racial discrimination lawsuit a few years back as well.

 

Blue collar workers tend to have lower education levels, and in the current political climate in the US characterized by identity and grievance politics I suspect that white blue collar works are more apt to hold political views that are not particularly friendly towards minorities, immigrants, women, etc.

 

One thing that was striking about the Tesla lawsuit is that contractors have also joined the lawsuit, something that I imagine a contractor would be very reluctant to do unless there was a strong belief that the outcome of the lawsuit would be favorable to them.

 

Anyone who read this post to the end, thank you for allowing me to take a nostalgic stroll down memory lane.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Gecko123

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[James105]

13 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Tesla has a rule which prohibits many things from being said about the company or doing while at work.  One only has to read between the lines to understand why certain things are not recorded.  There are many links you can find on employees being terminated for sharing a video on-line of situations or incidents which happened while employed by Tesla.

 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/tesla-fires-employee-who-posted-youtube-videos-of-full-self-driving-accident/

 

https://www.hotcars.com/things-tesla-employees-arent-allowed-to-do-at-work/#work-40-hour-weeks

All of Musk's employees sign confidentially agreements, so very little has actually been known about what goes on behind the scenes of Tesla. But a while back there were a few whistleblowers who pulled back the curtain and showed us the peculiar and sometimes dark sides of working for Musk.

 

 

You keep posting links that mention nothing about whether people can keep their phones in their pockets at work at Tesla and your baseless assumptions are not evidence.  It would be highly unusual for someone who is not a schoolchild to not have access to their phones in work so unless you have evidence to the contrary my point stands that for this alleged racism to be going on for so long and was so prevalent it is very strange how no-one managed to capture a single audio or video recording of this.