Has the TM30 been scrapped?

[colinchaffers]

I have been told the TM30 has been scrapped, I know the TM6 has been, can when one clarify?

[moogradod]

Who told you that ? I just recently had to give in a copy for an immigration task.

[Bert got kinky]

No mention of it on a Google search.

[DrJack54]

No 

 

Fully explained and discussed in this attached thread.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1169664-thai-immigration-announce-changes-to-tm30-reporting/

Edited June 12, 2023 by DrJack54

[HappyExpat57]

There are current articles how immigration is arresting condo managers for not doing their TM-30's in a timely manner.

[digbeth]

2 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

There are current articles how immigration is arresting condo managers for not doing their TM-30's in a timely manner.

totally not the job of condo managers or letting agents, even if the co-owners of the condo that rents out room deputize the duty to the condo manager, the condo staff still can't be held liable for not doing the TM30

[HappyExpat57]

32 minutes ago, digbeth said:

totally not the job of condo managers or letting agents, even if the co-owners of the condo that rents out room deputize the duty to the condo manager, the condo staff still can't be held liable for not doing the TM30

Try telling that to the bozos who carry them off in shackles. T.I.T.S.

[KhunBENQ]

5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

No 

 

Fully explained and discussed in this attached thread.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1169664-thai-immigration-announce-changes-to-tm30-reporting/

So I can assume that this thread from 2020 is still valid/up-to-date?

(I was a bit alarmed when coming across this "must read")

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

So I can assume that this thread from 2020 is still valid/up-to-date?

(I was a bit alarmed when coming across this "must read")

In a nutshell.

For those expats that have ongoing stay in Thailand on continuous permission of stay there is now Zero need to file new TM30 when returning to place of residence from inter province AND international travel.

 

For run of the mill tourists they can ignore TM30 unless they have dealings with immigration such as 30 day extensions to visa exempt or tourist visa etc 

 

As usual the problem is that some (very few) immigration offices have ignored this change of rules.

 

In addition the TM30 is now also used for change of  residence for the expat group I referenced earlier. 

 

Just for one example.

I personally have travelled to Oz last December.

Travelled to Vietnam in Feb this year.

Been to other provinces in Thailand.

Not done ONE TM30.

 

Ongoing extension with reentry permit.

Dealing with CW

TM30 not required. 

 

Recently done a TM47 and a certificate of residence.

Also TDL.

TM30 not required. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by DrJack54

[lordgrinz]

Made my first trip out of the country in October 2022 while on a Nonimmigrant "O" marriage using a reentry permit, still living in the same place for 6 years, my local Immigration Office insisted on a new TM30 being done when I got back. This was for the Nonthaburi Immigration office. I don't know if it had something to do with my last TM30 being done back in 2017, or not. 

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

This was for the Nonthaburi Immigration office.

That is a rogue office. 

Not the only one. 

 

With reentry permit there is No WAY you need to do a new TM30.

 

Just to demonstrate how ridiculous if you were were dealing with adjacent CW office a TM30 would not be required. 

 

 

[Gottfrid]

5 hours ago, digbeth said:

totally not the job of condo managers or letting agents, even if the co-owners of the condo that rents out room deputize the duty to the condo manager, the condo staff still can't be held liable for not doing the TM30

If the law says so, they can. But, maybe you know better

[eisfeld]

6 hours ago, digbeth said:

totally not the job of condo managers or letting agents, even if the co-owners of the condo that rents out room deputize the duty to the condo manager, the condo staff still can't be held liable for not doing the TM30

You can't make general statements like that. It depends on who is considered the house master as the house master is the one who is obliged to file TM30 notices. That can be a condo manager or rental agent but doesn't have to be.

[CartagenaWarlock]

My rental agent did a few times before Covid. After Covid, I never did any TM30. So far so good. I don't have any need to go to the immigration office for any renewals or anything else. 90-Day is done by an agent also now if I sat more than 90-day. My place is the same. Immigration can always find me with the last TM30, they have in their file.

I don't live in perpetual anxiety in a country where a few thousand Bhat can solve most of the problems. And that's why I love Thailand. 

[sikishrory]

Never done one of these stupid things during my ten years living here and never had a problem.

Been up down and all around. In and out every little nook and cranny of this country.

There was only 1 time that I know of where a condo agent pursued this thing and I believe did it.

If it wasn't for this forum i wouldn't even know it existed. I imagine 90% of foreign people in Thailand have no idea also.

How would anyone know about it if Thai authorities don't tell people?

Or did I miss some fine print somewhere during the entry process.

[eisfeld]

33 minutes ago, sikishrory said:

Or did I miss some fine print somewhere during the entry process.

You didn't miss anything because it shouldn't be your concern as you are not the host.

[flbkk]

Bangkok immigration now requires new TM30 if you have stayed at a hotel elsewhere in Thailand. They have cross referenced the TM30 and the 90 day reporting computer systems. Your 90 day report will be refused otherwise. I did mine in person recently after moving to another room (same building and landlord). When I submitted my TM30 online, I received an automatically generated reply telling me to update the TM30. The landlord submitted it online, and i then was able to complete my 90 day report. They are ignoring the law, they don’t care. 

[sikishrory]

39 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

You didn't miss anything because it shouldn't be your concern as you are not the host.

https://www.legal.co.th/resources/visa-immigration-law/thailand-immigration-law/does-tm30-apply-tourists-thailand/

[Fairynuff]

9 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Just to demonstrate how ridiculous if you were were dealing with adjacent CW office a TM30 would not be required. 

There have been numerous reports recently about CW demanding TM30s again.

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, flbkk said:

Bangkok immigration now requires new TM30 if you have stayed at a hotel elsewhere in Thailand. They have cross referenced the TM30 and the 90 day reporting computer systems. Your 90 day report will be refused otherwise. I did mine in person recently after moving to another room (same building and landlord). When I submitted my TM30 online, I received an automatically generated reply telling me to update the TM30. The landlord submitted it online, and i then was able to complete my 90 day report. They are ignoring the law, they don’t care. 

When I stay in a hotel I check in with my Pink Card so no TM30 is done.

[bigt3116]

16 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

When I stay in a hotel I check in with my Pink Card so no TM30 is done.

Should be, the pink card PROVES that you are a foreigner.

 

[bigt3116]

17 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

There are current articles how immigration is arresting condo managers for not doing their TM-30's in a timely manner.

Links?

 

[DrJack54]

18 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

There have been numerous reports recently about CW demanding TM30s again.

Your post has no context or relevance

 

Yes if dealing with CW with (for example) on a visa exempt entry and requiring a 30 day extension then yes a TM30 would be required.

If in the example I gave of someone ongoing living in Thailand with continuous permission of stay then TM30 is not required after overnight stays is other provinces and international exit reentry. 

 

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, flbkk said:

Bangkok immigration now requires new TM30 if you have stayed at a hotel elsewhere in Thailand.

Absolute nonsense. 

 

In your case you changed address.

Yes a TM30 is required for change of address.

 

[Gaccha]

2 hours ago, flbkk said:

I did mine in person recently after moving to another room (same building and landlord).

I've experienced exactly the same scenario. 

 

The issue of whether you need to present a new TM30 when you move within the exact same apartments to a different room causes friction within the immigration police.

 

If you telephone the immigration police they will tell you it is not a requirement, but there are officers who will say it is a requirement. This has been the case since the immigration officers presented a notice requiring the TM30 for extensions to visas in around 2020.

 

My impression is that it has relaxed again.

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, Fairynuff said:

When I stay in a hotel I check in with my Pink Card so no TM30 is done.

Nothing to do with it, all about hotel policy, they either just check ID or also report to immigration.

A few years back immigration had a purge on hotel reporting and at that time most hotels towed the line and pick cards were not accepted, had to be passport so they could copy permission to stay stamp. I had a few issues with reception staff that didn't know what an extension stamp was, only familiar with an entry stamp.

Fortunately that has eased off and many hotels have gone back to just ID check with the pink card being more readily accepted.

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, bigt3116 said:

Should be, the pink card PROVES that you are a foreigner.

 

Correct but it doesn’t go through the TM30 system. I’ve been using it for years.

[Fairynuff]

21 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Nothing to do with it, all about hotel policy, they either just check ID or also report to immigration.

A few years back immigration had a purge on hotel reporting and at that time most hotels towed the line and pick cards were not accepted, had to be passport so they could copy permission to stay stamp. I had a few issues with reception staff that didn't know what an extension stamp was, only familiar with an entry stamp.

Fortunately that has eased off and many hotels have gone back to just ID check with the pink card being more readily accepted.

Everything to do with staying in a hotel and not going through the TM30 system. Never failed me yet.

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Your post has no context or relevance

 

Yes if dealing with CW with (for example) on a visa exempt entry and requiring a 30 day extension then yes a TM30 would be required.

If in the example I gave of someone ongoing living in Thailand with continuous permission of stay then TM30 is not required after overnight stays is other provinces and international exit reentry. 

 

There have been numerous reports recently about CW demanding for TM30s again.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

There have been numerous reports recently about CW demanding for TM30s again.

Post one.

Also put context to your posts.

"..CW demanding for TM30s again" 

Demanding for what? 

Annual extensions?

90 day reports? 

30 day extension? 

Be specific.

Edited June 13, 2023 by DrJack54