BREAKING NEWS: Burisma executive who allegedly paid Biden has audio recordings of conversations with Joe, Hunter, Sen. says

[mikebike]

11 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet the MAGA group and Trumpers believe, yes believe they exist... 

They believe that the election was stolen and that dems drink baby juice. The cult will literally believe anything they are repeatedly told by their "news" outlets. ????

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, mikebike said:

What tapes? There is literally no real evidence they exist. 

By which you mean there is no evidence these recordings exist.  Correct.

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 6/13/2023 at 1:47 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The spawn of Giuliani.... More unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

"In a statement Wednesday, Jamie Raskin, D-Md., the member of the Oversight Committee, said the FBI team that briefed him and Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., on Monday said “that the Department of Justice team of prosecutors and FBI agents under U.S. Attorney Scott Brady determined that there were no grounds to escalate their probe from an initial assessment of the allegations surfaced by Rudy Giuliani to a preliminary or full-blown investigation and that it was therefore closed down.”

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-republicans-attack-biden-family-viewing-fbi-document-rcna88413

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

16 hours ago, billd766 said:

Sigh.  And where is the proof that you keep bleating about?

 

If you have it, then publish it.

 

If you don't have the proof, then please stop with your baseless allegations and grabbing at any passing straw.

"bleating"??

 

As someone that has been on the right side of this affair since day 1 (i never caved in to the russian disinfo misinformation campaign, it was clearly legit thanks to no denials from the family and credible witness testimony TB with receipts who was cc'd and involved with the schemes) calling my words "bleating" seems a tad inflammatory.

[Tug]

34 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"bleating"??

 

As someone that has been on the right side of this affair since day 1 (i never caved in to the russian disinfo misinformation campaign, it was clearly legit thanks to no denials from the family and credible witness testimony TB with receipts who was cc'd and involved with the schemes) calling my words "bleating" seems a tad inflammatory.

Thanks for the guffaw I almost carted myself oh my there is no substance to this Biden smear they are beside themselves desperately trying to distract from trump’s debacle I think you know this already 

[bamnutsak]

Someone on James Comer's staff should advise him to stop talking. He sounds like an idiot, with idiotic claims and no proof to back up his claims. He apears unprepared for even the most basic questions.

 

 

From the Oversight Committee tweet pasted above:

 

The record didn't originate with Rudy Giuliani. It's based on a trusted informant's conversations with the foreign national who claimed to have bribed then-VP Biden.

 

 

So is this second-hand or third-hand "information"?

 

Did the "trusted informant" file the 1023? Or did he speak directly to the FBI agent who completed that form?

 

Is this the "trusted informant" who appears to have gone missing?

 

At this point the unredacted 1023 should be released and the trusted informant and foreign national doing the alleged bribing should be identified.

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

It does keep the attention on Trump and off the wildly successful current administration. 

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1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

Someone on James Comer's staff should advise him to stop talking. He sounds like an idiot, with idiotic claims and no proof to back up his claims. He apears unprepared for even the most basic questions.

 

 

From the Oversight Committee tweet pasted above:

 

The record didn't originate with Rudy Giuliani. It's based on a trusted informant's conversations with the foreign national who claimed to have bribed then-VP Biden.

 

 

So is this second-hand or third-hand "information"?

 

Did the "trusted informant" file the 1023? Or did he speak directly to the FBI agent who completed that form?

 

Is this the "trusted informant" who appears to have gone missing?

 

At this point the unredacted 1023 should be released and the trusted informant and foreign national doing the alleged bribing should be identified.

The fact that there is a trusted informant has no bearing on the reliability of the party who claimed that the bribed the 2 Bidens and has recordings to prove it. What we do know is that the US govt doesn't have possession of these alleged recordings. There is no prove that the recordings even exist. And the last time contact was made with this informant was 3 years ago.

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2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

The lie being told here is that Democrats are claiming that the record originated with Guiliani. That's not what's claimed. What the Democrats do claim is that Giuliani was on a fishing expedition to Ukraine looking for evidence to incriminate Joe Biden. He was assisted in his efforts by 2 con men who were minions of a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch by the name of Dmitro Firtash. Both of them were convicted of illegally funneling money from Firtash into various Republican political campaigns.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"bleating"??

 

As someone that has been on the right side of this affair since day 1 (i never caved in to the russian disinfo misinformation campaign, it was clearly legit thanks to no denials from the family and credible witness testimony TB with receipts who was cc'd and involved with the schemes) calling my words "bleating" seems a tad inflammatory.

So where is your proof?

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 6/17/2023 at 11:21 AM, GroveHillWanderer said:

There is as yet, no evidence that these tapes actually exist, as both Jim Jordan and Ron Johnson have acknowledged.

Just to update this, even Chuck Grassley, the person who made the announcement about the tapes in the first place, has now admitted in an interview that the tapes may not even exist (as has James Comer, also in an on-air interview).

 

Senator Admits Biden Bribery Tapes Might Not Exist After All

[pomchop]

Trump and his minions were in office for 4 years and have been screaming lock her/him up even longer.  And yet even with Trump in charge of DOJ and his lacky Attorney Generals in charge they never sought a single indictment against Hillary or Biden...Why would that be?

 

Well DUH....just maybe that is because that try as they might they could not produce any hard core real evidence that could be put before a grand jury and convince said grand jury that the evidence was sufficient to warrant an indictment.    And they knew damn well that screaming lock em up and blah blah conspiracy theories are not hard evidence and that they would have looked like  right wing hacks and fools they are/were if a grand jury of regular people said no we don't vote to indict on such BS.

[GroveHillWanderer]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

I haven't seen anyone except Comer calling this person a "trusted" informant. Most of the reports I've seen described them as a "confidential" informant. Just because something is told in confidence, doesn't make it automatically reliable.

 

Anyway, even if the informant is reliable, the source may not be. If you follow that Twitter conversation, it contains the following direct quote from Republican Senator Ron Johnson:

 

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“Not only might the tapes not exist, but also that the foreign national who spoke to the FBI informant might lack credibility.”

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[GroveHillWanderer]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"bleating"??

 

As someone that has been on the right side of this affair since day 1 (i never caved in to the russian disinfo misinformation campaign, it was clearly legit thanks to no denials from the family and credible witness testimony TB with receipts who was cc'd and involved with the schemes) calling my words "bleating" seems a tad inflammatory.

You really should stop flogging this dead horse - it's not going to get up again.

 

Virtually every single Republican politician being interviewed on this issue on the last couple of days has now admitted that there is no evidence these tapes exist. No-one knows where they might be or even where the person who said he had them, might be (he may not even be alive).

 

How can you say there is "credible witness testimony" when even those who were touting this originally, now all concede to a man, that there is not a single shred of evidence to support it.

Edited June 18, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[ozimoron]

5 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

From the Oversight Committee tweet pasted above:

 

The record didn't originate with Rudy Giuliani. It's based on a trusted informant's conversations with the foreign national who claimed to have bribed then-VP Biden.

 

So is this second-hand or third-hand "information"?

I think that "didn't originate" is weasel words to avoid admitting directly that Giuliani wrote the FD-1023. The spurious argument seems to be that the notion wasn't totally dreamed up by Giuliani himself.

[candide]

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

Yet, Giuliani claimed he brought this information. 

https://www.salon.com/2023/06/16/suspicious-circumstances-giuliani-now-claims-witness-behind-biden-bribery-allegation-is/

 

Who should be believe? Comer or Giuliani? Difficult to decide about it, as they are both proven liar! 

Edited June 18, 2023 by candide

[billd766]

2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Just to update this, even Chuck Grassley, the person who made the announcement about the tapes in the first place, has now admitted in an interview that the tapes may not even exist (as has James Comer, also in an on-air interview).

 

Senator Admits Biden Bribery Tapes Might Not Exist After All

This is the reason why so many people distrust politicians words.

 

Opening your mouth and shouting out that you have the proof when in fact

 

1   you have no idea what you are talking about anyway, and 

 

2   you don't actually have proof of anything, and  

 

3   you have no idea if the proof/tapes/documents ever existed in the first place, and

 

4   you keep on throwing stuff at the wall hoping that some very slim shred will stick.

[ozimoron]

17 minutes ago, billd766 said:

This is the reason why so many people distrust politicians words.

 

Opening your mouth and shouting out that you have the proof when in fact

 

1   you have no idea what you are talking about anyway, and 

 

2   you don't actually have proof of anything, and  

 

3   you have no idea if the proof/tapes/documents ever existed in the first place, and

 

4   you keep on throwing stuff at the wall hoping that some very slim shred will stick.

You forgot:

 

5.   throwing red meat to the base to drum up donations and votes.

[ThailandRyan]

Where is the individual who believes the people who are telling him that BIden was paid 5 Million and there is a tape.  Sorry Sir, there is no tape, if there was it would have already been delivered, listened to, marked as evidence and Impeachment proceedings under way.  

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/did-joe-biden-get-a-dollar5-million-bribe-or-not/ar-AA1ckUO6

 

On Thursday, following a deal between the FBI and the House Oversight Committee, all members of the Committee were permitted to view a notorious document that is in the FBI’s possession, in exchange for Congress dropping its push to hold FBI Director Christopher Wray in contempt of Congress. 

 

However, it appears that the document only shows that the accusation has been made that Biden participated in bribery, and not that the accusation is true. 

Indeed, Congressional correspondent Chad Pergram of Fox News reported Thursday that “Source familiar with the FBI document reviewed by Oversight Cmte today tells Fox the following: ‘To be clear, the document does not say Joe Biden received any payments.’” Republicans, however, are alleging the opposite. 

 

This is consistent with much of what has been alleged so far by the Republicans on the Oversight Committee, who have studied voluminous documents, made numerous comments about the “Biden crime family,” but have yet to uncover any evidence that the president himself either received improper payments, or took any action in office to help anyone who was in business with his relatives. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by ThailandRyan

[scottiejohn]

38 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Sorry Sir, there is no tape, if there was it would have already been

LEAKED!

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

LEAKED!

By Barr cs 

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On 6/13/2023 at 9:09 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you saying these audio recordings, plus all the bank records we recently saw, plus the collosal web of LLC's and shell companies recieving inexplicably earned money from overseas, plus the whistleblowers and people involved such as Bobulinski, plus all the emails and messages on the laptop are either all showing perfectly legitimate business for a career politician which are all legal, or all fakes? Nothing to them?

 

 Is it not more likely based on ALL the evidence combined that the GOP had this right from the get go, and that Joe Biden is indeed corrupt?

Oh, no. In the face of all that the Justice Dept. has no choice but to indict Hunter and company for all their crimes. It's a lock...oh...wait a minute...

"Hunter's criminal counsel, Chris Clark of Clark Smith Villazor, said that "with the announcement of two agreements between my client, Hunter Biden, and the Unites States Attorney's Office for the District of Delaware, it is my understanding that the five-year investigation into Hunter is resolved." 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-agrees-plead-guilty-federal-tax-gun-case

[Danderman123]

I am sure that these recordings will be revealed Real Soon Now.

 

Meanwhile, the Special Counsel has released some big news, which I will post when it's available. 

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On 6/13/2023 at 6:33 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

So, there IS very strong and credible evidence that joe biden was taking money from the Ukraine that we were promised never happened.

What will happen to the people that actually IMPEACHED a President for wanting an investigation of the biden's corruption in Ukraine now that we know there is much evidence(that was covered up by the DOJ and would have immediately ended the impeachment farce) that corruption WAS taking place.

 If we remember he was impeached for falsely insinuating that biden was taking corrupt payments from the Ukraine that he actually WAS taking. No wonder conservatives do not trust the DOJ or democrat media one iota.

 Isn't it great for joe that the media is fixating on the illogical charges against his political opponent at such a crucial time which has somehow buried reports on the corruption we were told in no uncertain terms never happened. What a mess.

Can you share with us this strong and credible evidence? 

[Danderman123]

On 6/17/2023 at 7:40 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

This did not age well.

[ozimoron]

On 2/16/2024 at 4:46 AM, Danderman123 said:

I am sure that these recordings will be revealed Real Soon Now.

 

Meanwhile, the Special Counsel has released some big news, which I will post when it's available. 

 

This did age well.

[Danderman123]

On 6/12/2023 at 8:30 PM, Neeranam said:

Wow, the biggest ever political crime if true. 

Never trusted or believed this guy. 

Terrible. 

Not true.

 

Why would the Russian fabricate damaging stuff about Biden?

[Danderman123]

On 6/12/2023 at 10:35 PM, seajae said:

hahahahahaha, strangely all the ones that come in to go off about trump are silent now their gloroius leader is being exposed, US politics is a joke at best, they are all in it for themselves and all are crooked as a dogs hind leg. Biden is just doing what all the others do/have done but looks like now he has been caught out, will we see a second president being charged and facing the courts

 

You were conned by the Russians. You fell for their tricks, but you still support them. Why is that?