Don Mueang Airport ranks among the most dangerous airports in the world

[n00dle]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Yes, horrific. 

That would put DMG a bit higher then!

DMK

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

Without explaining its criteria, the list is idioitic.

From the OP..

"The danger and ranking of airports are determined based on multiple factors, including altitude, wind patterns, runway length, location, as well as social, political, and volatile events".

[Liverpool Lou]

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Edited June 30, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

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Edited June 30, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[n00dle]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

From the OP..

"The danger and ranking of airports are determined based on multiple factors, including altitude, wind patterns, runway length, location, as well as social, political, and volatile events".

you cut and paste with the best of them. 

Now which of those applies to DMK of any other airport on the list.?

 

Any particular reason this needed to be posted multiple times?

Edited June 30, 2023 by n00dle

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

Any particular reason this needed to be posted multiple times?

Nothing that need concern you.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, bignok said:

Last 3 nothing to do with airport

None of his examples were caused by the airport.

[Artisi]

6 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

From the article:

 

'However, an operational golf course is situated between the two runways at the airport, which could certainly add a sense of danger to any golfer’s experience.

 

Flooding has also been a problem in the past on the runway of Don Mueang International Airport. In 2011, the rise of floodwaters prevented domestic flights from taking off and landing as water made its way to various runway's.

 

I've often wondered about the common sense of having a golf course in the middle of an airfield!

 

Has it ever caused a problem, doesn't appear it has, so what's the concern? 

[ChaiyaTH]

9 hours ago, ezzra said:

Although i have used DM many times with full confidante it has its fair share of troubles

• On 25 December 1976 – EgyptAir Flight 864, a Boeing 707-300 bound for Bangkok from Cairo, crashed into an industrial area near the airport during a landing attempt. All 53 aboard were killed.
• On 27 April 1980 – Thai Airways Flight 231, a BAe 748 which was en route from Khon Kaen to Bangkok, lost altitude during a thunderstorm and crashed about 13 km from Bangkok International Airport. All four crew members and 40 of the 49 passengers were killed.
• On 1 April 1981 – Indonesian Special Forces (Kopassus) raided hijacked Garuda Indonesia Flight 206 which was en route from Palembang to Polonia Airport (hijacked in Indonesian airspace). All 48 passengers safe, seven fatalities (one commando, one co-pilot, five terrorists). Imran bin Muhammad Zein, hijacker leader, captured.
• On 9 September 1988 – Vietnam Airlines Flight 831 crashed while on approach to Don Mueang International Airport. 76 of the 90 passengers and crew on board were killed.
• On 26 May 1991 – Lauda Air Flight 004, a Boeing 767-300ER (registered OE-LAV, named Mozart) which was headed to Vienna, suffered an in-flight deployment of the thrust reverser on the No. 1 engine after taking off from Don Mueang. There were no survivors from the 213 passengers and 10 crew.
• On 21 January 1992 – Douglas VC-47D L2-41/15/210 of the Royal Thai Air Force was damaged beyond repair in a landing accident.^[73]
• On 23 September 1999 – Qantas Flight 1, in what was then the most serious incident in the airline's famously safe jet aircraft history, a Boeing 747-400 overshot the runway causing significant damage but no casualties.
• On 3 March 2001 – Thai Airways International Flight 114, a Boeing 737-400 (registered HS-TDC, named Narathiwat), bound for Chiang Mai from Bangkok, was destroyed by an explosion and fire that occurred about 35 minutes before Thaksin Shinawatra, later to become Prime Minister of Thailand, and about 150 other passengers were to board. Five members of the cabin crew were aboard, and one was killed. Witnesses said they heard an explosion before flames erupted aboard the aircraft. Subsequently, NTSB investigators reported that the central fuel tank had exploded followed by the right tank 18 minutes later. The cause for the explosion was unclear, though some speculate it was an assassination attempt based on chemicals found during the subsequent investigation.

 

So noting happened in like 22 years, these ranking lists are always nonsense.

Edited June 30, 2023 by ChaiyaTH

[Liverpool Lou]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

18 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

That hasn't yet been proven to be the fault of the airport, has it?

Is the AOT not responsible for the machinery it operates within in its airports, ergo - the airport itself ?

 

 

I'd imagine it is but that doesn't mean that every incident that occurs there is the fault of the AOT.  Maybe you've received an advance copy of the results of the investigation into what happened but I haven't seen it reported, ergo, the AOT is not yet to blame.

[spidermike007]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Is the AOT not responsible for the machinery it operates within in its airports, ergo - the airport itself ?

 

 

Of course not. Don't blame us! We have great skills and put public safety at the top of our list. Plus, we hire the best maintenance people and engineers, at great expense. Anything to protect the people. 

[StayinThailand2much]

2 hours ago, youngster30uk said:

Depends on your perspective, whilst mostly they have nothing to do with DMK itself, if you consider the question ' travelling to which airports are you most likely to be involved in an incident' then they become relevant

Agreed. Don Muang security staff was, obviously, unable to prevent the terrorist act in 2001, which is worrysome for passengers. (But yes, they have improved. Last year I was stopped at security check, leaving with chocolate in my carry-on. Perhaps they thought it would be dangerous to my health...)

[Moonlover]

54 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Has it ever caused a problem, doesn't appear it has, so what's the concern? 

I would consider an errant golf ball flying into the engine intake of an aircraft on its take off run just a bit of a hazard!

 

Ok, so it's never happened, but that's not the point of this assessment. When they assess an airfield they look at potential hazards not necessarily past occurrences as some posters seem to think. They are risk assessments.

 

 

[ujayujay]

11 hours ago, ezzra said:

Although i have used DM many times with full confidante it has its fair share of troubles

• On 25 December 1976 – EgyptAir Flight 864, a Boeing 707-300 bound for Bangkok from Cairo, crashed into an industrial area near the airport during a landing attempt. All 53 aboard were killed.
• On 27 April 1980 – Thai Airways Flight 231, a BAe 748 which was en route from Khon Kaen to Bangkok, lost altitude during a thunderstorm and crashed about 13 km from Bangkok International Airport. All four crew members and 40 of the 49 passengers were killed.
• On 1 April 1981 – Indonesian Special Forces (Kopassus) raided hijacked Garuda Indonesia Flight 206 which was en route from Palembang to Polonia Airport (hijacked in Indonesian airspace). All 48 passengers safe, seven fatalities (one commando, one co-pilot, five terrorists). Imran bin Muhammad Zein, hijacker leader, captured.
• On 9 September 1988 – Vietnam Airlines Flight 831 crashed while on approach to Don Mueang International Airport. 76 of the 90 passengers and crew on board were killed.
• On 26 May 1991 – Lauda Air Flight 004, a Boeing 767-300ER (registered OE-LAV, named Mozart) which was headed to Vienna, suffered an in-flight deployment of the thrust reverser on the No. 1 engine after taking off from Don Mueang. There were no survivors from the 213 passengers and 10 crew.
• On 21 January 1992 – Douglas VC-47D L2-41/15/210 of the Royal Thai Air Force was damaged beyond repair in a landing accident.^[73]
• On 23 September 1999 – Qantas Flight 1, in what was then the most serious incident in the airline's famously safe jet aircraft history, a Boeing 747-400 overshot the runway causing significant damage but no casualties.
• On 3 March 2001 – Thai Airways International Flight 114, a Boeing 737-400 (registered HS-TDC, named Narathiwat), bound for Chiang Mai from Bangkok, was destroyed by an explosion and fire that occurred about 35 minutes before Thaksin Shinawatra, later to become Prime Minister of Thailand, and about 150 other passengers were to board. Five members of the cabin crew were aboard, and one was killed. Witnesses said they heard an explosion before flames erupted aboard the aircraft. Subsequently, NTSB investigators reported that the central fuel tank had exploded followed by the right tank 18 minutes later. The cause for the explosion was unclear, though some speculate it was an assassination attempt based on chemicals found during the subsequent investigation.

 

Airport safety doesn't just add up to airplane incidents and crashes. There are countless factors that carry much more weight and your list is totally outdated...actually more of a joke

[MrJ2U]

Dangerous, perhaps.

 

A Dump for sure.  One airport I never look forward to going to.  

[Antiparovian]

"Reknowned" website ? Never heard of it. <deleted> journalism

[Rimmer]

Some off topic troll and inflammatory posts and replies have been removed

[Dogmatix]

14 hours ago, ezzra said:

Although i have used DM many times with full confidante it has its fair share of troubles

• On 25 December 1976 – EgyptAir Flight 864, a Boeing 707-300 bound for Bangkok from Cairo, crashed into an industrial area near the airport during a landing attempt. All 53 aboard were killed.
• On 27 April 1980 – Thai Airways Flight 231, a BAe 748 which was en route from Khon Kaen to Bangkok, lost altitude during a thunderstorm and crashed about 13 km from Bangkok International Airport. All four crew members and 40 of the 49 passengers were killed.
• On 1 April 1981 – Indonesian Special Forces (Kopassus) raided hijacked Garuda Indonesia Flight 206 which was en route from Palembang to Polonia Airport (hijacked in Indonesian airspace). All 48 passengers safe, seven fatalities (one commando, one co-pilot, five terrorists). Imran bin Muhammad Zein, hijacker leader, captured.
• On 9 September 1988 – Vietnam Airlines Flight 831 crashed while on approach to Don Mueang International Airport. 76 of the 90 passengers and crew on board were killed.
• On 26 May 1991 – Lauda Air Flight 004, a Boeing 767-300ER (registered OE-LAV, named Mozart) which was headed to Vienna, suffered an in-flight deployment of the thrust reverser on the No. 1 engine after taking off from Don Mueang. There were no survivors from the 213 passengers and 10 crew.
• On 21 January 1992 – Douglas VC-47D L2-41/15/210 of the Royal Thai Air Force was damaged beyond repair in a landing accident.^[73]
• On 23 September 1999 – Qantas Flight 1, in what was then the most serious incident in the airline's famously safe jet aircraft history, a Boeing 747-400 overshot the runway causing significant damage but no casualties.
• On 3 March 2001 – Thai Airways International Flight 114, a Boeing 737-400 (registered HS-TDC, named Narathiwat), bound for Chiang Mai from Bangkok, was destroyed by an explosion and fire that occurred about 35 minutes before Thaksin Shinawatra, later to become Prime Minister of Thailand, and about 150 other passengers were to board. Five members of the cabin crew were aboard, and one was killed. Witnesses said they heard an explosion before flames erupted aboard the aircraft. Subsequently, NTSB investigators reported that the central fuel tank had exploded followed by the right tank 18 minutes later. The cause for the explosion was unclear, though some speculate it was an assassination attempt based on chemicals found during the subsequent investigation.

 

Most of these were international flights from the days before Swampy. 

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, Burma Bill said:

Thanks for the memory - Kai Tak in Hong Kong. I had a mind boggling descent in a BA747 among the tall buildings to land on the runway built in the sea. Fornebu Airport in Oslo (Norway) was another I experienced on several visits before the new airport at Gardemoen was opened. Photo of Fornebu airport built in Oslofjord:

 

   

 

Don Mueang has nothing to compare with Kai Tak and Fornebu!!

I flew into Kai Tak half a dozen times. It was always in RAF VC10s, which made for an even more mind boggling experience, as the RAF had the seats fitted facing the rear of the aircraft. They reckoned it was safer - although I suspect that if you flew into a mountain at whatever the cruising speed of a VC10 was, it really made little difference!

 

Anyway, the whole dodging skyscrapers Kai Tak experience, but backwards!

Edited June 30, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[skorp13]

Planes dodging golf balls on approach over the golf course?? 555

[scottiejohn]

29 minutes ago, skorp13 said:

Planes dodging golf balls on approach over the golf course?? 555

And avoiding RTAF fighter jets!

[tpbon]

15 hours ago, ezzra said:

Although i have used DM many times with full confidante it has its fair share of troubles

• On 25 December 1976 – EgyptAir Flight 864, a Boeing 707-300 bound for Bangkok from Cairo, crashed into an industrial area near the airport during a landing attempt. All 53 aboard were killed.
• On 27 April 1980 – Thai Airways Flight 231, a BAe 748 which was en route from Khon Kaen to Bangkok, lost altitude during a thunderstorm and crashed about 13 km from Bangkok International Airport. All four crew members and 40 of the 49 passengers were killed.
• On 1 April 1981 – Indonesian Special Forces (Kopassus) raided hijacked Garuda Indonesia Flight 206 which was en route from Palembang to Polonia Airport (hijacked in Indonesian airspace). All 48 passengers safe, seven fatalities (one commando, one co-pilot, five terrorists). Imran bin Muhammad Zein, hijacker leader, captured.
• On 9 September 1988 – Vietnam Airlines Flight 831 crashed while on approach to Don Mueang International Airport. 76 of the 90 passengers and crew on board were killed.
• On 26 May 1991 – Lauda Air Flight 004, a Boeing 767-300ER (registered OE-LAV, named Mozart) which was headed to Vienna, suffered an in-flight deployment of the thrust reverser on the No. 1 engine after taking off from Don Mueang. There were no survivors from the 213 passengers and 10 crew.
• On 21 January 1992 – Douglas VC-47D L2-41/15/210 of the Royal Thai Air Force was damaged beyond repair in a landing accident.^[73]
• On 23 September 1999 – Qantas Flight 1, in what was then the most serious incident in the airline's famously safe jet aircraft history, a Boeing 747-400 overshot the runway causing significant damage but no casualties.
• On 3 March 2001 – Thai Airways International Flight 114, a Boeing 737-400 (registered HS-TDC, named Narathiwat), bound for Chiang Mai from Bangkok, was destroyed by an explosion and fire that occurred about 35 minutes before Thaksin Shinawatra, later to become Prime Minister of Thailand, and about 150 other passengers were to board. Five members of the cabin crew were aboard, and one was killed. Witnesses said they heard an explosion before flames erupted aboard the aircraft. Subsequently, NTSB investigators reported that the central fuel tank had exploded followed by the right tank 18 minutes later. The cause for the explosion was unclear, though some speculate it was an assassination attempt based on chemicals found during the subsequent investigation.

 

So what did the airport have to do with this?

 

[Maybole]

I agree with KhunBENQ  nothing to do with Don Mueang

[Dan Rayong]

For the outgoing PM you give the same link as this one here 

[Paradise Pete]

17 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

The inclusion of McMurdo Station in Antarctica (!) and Kai Tak which has been closed for 25 years rather reduces this reports credibility!

FTFA:  "While this airport might have seen its final flight in 1998, this closed-down plane hub in Hong Kong is still worth a mention due to its historically hair-raising landings of the past."

[GinBoy2]

The golf course is the most bizarre part of DMK.

 

Never quite got how someone who has not gone through security can be on the sterile side of an airport, albeit on a golf course

[pomchop]

The airport holds a "special" place for me as i was standing in the boarding line the day the plane exploded.  Taksin was booked on the flight...his motorcade ran into big traffic and was late so thankfully they were not gonna let us board til he got on first.....if he had been on time we would have all been toast.  If u ever wondered how strong the glass is in DM i can tell you the force of the explosion hit the windows with a massive ball of fire and the windows did not break.  Since taksin was a passenger everyone immediately said it was a bomb but later after much investigation it was not a bomb at all.  It was very lucky that more people weren't killed...the plane broke in half and burned to a crisp right at the gate.

 

http://www.b737.org.uk/thai737news.htm

[soi3eddie]

11 hours ago, digbeth said:

must be the golf course, nothing to stop people in the fairways from walking down taxiways or driving balls into the flightpath 

plus some of the publicly  accessible road on the east (airforce base) side looks like they can be driven into airside 

But neither of those featured on the list on connected incidents that @ezzra provided. Always nice to see the golf course when landing or taking off. Ahh Thailand. Or maybe the risk lies with a pilots checking out the golf caddies rather than concentrationg on flight manouvres?

 

 

Edited June 30, 2023 by soi3eddie

[GinBoy2]

To add to my previous post this is just insane

 

I work for an airline in the US and no one can access the airside (sterile) area of the airport without security clearance.

 

The idea that folks are wandering between runways hitting golf balls, which in itself I find problematic, is a security joke.

 

No one is a security risk, until they are. No one considered the 9-11 hijackers a security risk until they were.

 

Maybe a Southern Thai dissident was to infiltrate the military and the golf club, we could all speculate how that could pan out!

[loveushorttime]

Surely having a golf course next to the runways should help it's ranking. ⛳????️