More Americans say Supreme Court is too conservative

[BangkokReady]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Also of course the right wingers lie in confirmation hearings. Respect precedents! Like shell you do. 

Thank goodness left-wing people never lie. ????

[Hanaguma]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Overturning Roe v  Wade was outrageous. 

It was Constitutional.  And seemed to work out in favour of the Democrats in the previous mid terms. 

 

And in the past, right wing folks complained that the Court was leaning too far left.   Complained about terrible decisions like Kelo vs. New London. Just like most things political, it swings back and forth. From too liberal to too conservative, occasionally passing 'moderate' in the middle for a brief second or two. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

It was Constitutional.  And seemed to work out in favour of the Democrats in the previous mid terms. 

 

And in the past, right wing folks complained that the Court was leaning too far left.   Complained about terrible decisions like Kelo vs. New London. Just like most things political, it swings back and forth. From too liberal to too conservative, occasionally passing 'moderate' in the middle for a brief second or two. 

It's not supposed to be a partisan institution.

The right wingers by stealing two seats have corrupted the court.

It's funny not ha ha to know that so called conservatives do not value the legitimacy about the highest court.

It's all in the global trend towards authoritarianism.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why?? Because Frankin says so? wow

Wasn't it Franklin that had to step down because of a sexual assault? 

 

 

[Tug]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Wasn't it Franklin that had to step down because of a sexual assault? 

 

 

Ahh no his (sin) was making a gesture of a sexual nature towards a sleeping woman and in keeping with the high standard and principles of his position and  in deference to women he resigned.I wish he would run again I’m sure he would be re-elected 

[Yellowtail]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

Ahh no his (sin) was making a gesture of a sexual nature towards a sleeping woman and in keeping with the high standard and principles of his position and  in deference to women he resigned.I wish he would run again I’m sure he would be re-elected 

Yeah, sexual assault, that's what I said. 

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2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, sexual assault, that's what I said. 

Yes, that's what you said. It's wrong, but you did say it.

"Sexual assault is an act in which one intentionally sexually touches another person without that person's consent, or coerces or physically forces a person to engage in a sexual act against their will.[1] It is a form of sexual violence that includes child sexual abuse, groping, rape (forced sexual penetration, no matter how slight), drug facilitated sexual assault, and the torture of the person in a sexual manner.[1][2][3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

Edited July 21, 2023 by placeholder

[Yellowtail]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yes, that's what you said. It's wrong, but you did say it.

"Sexual assault is an act in which one intentionally sexually touches another person without that person's consent, or coerces or physically forces a person to engage in a sexual act against their will.[1] It is a form of sexual violence that includes child sexual abuse, groping, rape (forced sexual penetration, no matter how slight), drug facilitated sexual assault, and the torture of the person in a sexual manner.[1][2][3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

Exactly, that's why the scum-bag resigned. 

[stevenl]

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Exactly, that's why the scum-bag resigned. 

Right, you admit your claim was not true but still stick to it. A true fan boy.

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Right, you admit your claim was not true but still stick to it. A true fan boy.

I'm no fan of Al Franklin, he's a scum-bag, and that's why he resigned, correct? 

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I'm no fan of Al Franklin, he's a scum-bag, and that's why he resigned, correct? 

He resigned because he's the opposite of a scum bag.

 

Anyway, the topic isn't Franken. The point was two scotus seats were STOLEN.

 

The scum bags in this story are the republicans who stole two seats and destroyed the legitimacy of the court. Current day republicans are enemies of democracy.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by Jingthing

[Tropposurfer]

On 7/20/2023 at 9:05 PM, Yellowtail said:

Clearly you know nothing of the court or the ruling if you believe it outlawed abortion. 

 

Ahh ... its reality and fact.

How about you stop disseminating porky pies and total misinformation. The reversal of Roe V Wade is exactly the removal of a woman's right to autonomy over her own reproduction and has heralded, by design, the passing of laws across the nation to penalise and prosecute and ban women from bodily autonomy of their reproduction.

It is YOU who choses, not doesn't know the truth, but chooses to deny the truth and facts mate.

What is wrong with you people ?

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 7/20/2023 at 6:02 PM, Jingthing said:

Overturning Roe v  Wade was outrageous. 

They merely got back to Constitutional Law and restored the states rights concerning abortion... you are still allowed to murder them if you live in a state that permits it.

[Tug]

Must not feed the troll……….

[Skipalongcassidy]

4 minutes ago, Tug said:

Must not feed the troll……….

HAHAHA... again with the typical liberal left response when they are caught out. 

[Tug]

12 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

HAHAHA... again with the typical liberal left response when they are caught out. 

Ahh nope how’s the fishing?

[Yellowtail]

37 minutes ago, Tug said:

Ahh nope how’s the fishing?

You bit

[Hanaguma]

On 7/21/2023 at 7:39 PM, Jingthing said:

He resigned because he's the opposite of a scum bag.

 

Anyway, the topic isn't Franken. The point was two scotus seats were STOLEN.

 

The scum bags in this story are the republicans who stole two seats and destroyed the legitimacy of the court. Current day republicans are enemies of democracy.

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing was stolen. It was a keen and masterful stroke of power politics by Cocaine Mitch.   And if the positions were reversed, you would be silent.  Move on. 

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

Ahh ... its reality and fact.

How about you stop disseminating porky pies and total misinformation. The reversal of Roe V Wade is exactly the removal of a woman's right to autonomy over her own reproduction and has heralded, by design, the passing of laws across the nation to penalise and prosecute and ban women from bodily autonomy of their reproduction.

It is YOU who choses, not doesn't know the truth, but chooses to deny the truth and facts mate.

What is wrong with you people ?

Not at all. It just threw the issue back to the 50 states where it belongs. Women do have autonomy over reproduction. They can choose abstinence, birth control, adoption, or motherhood. The only option they cannot choose, at least in some states, is to kill the child growing inside them. The child that they chose to create.

 

Now, before you go off on the "what about rape and incest" tangerine, I would fully make exceptions in those cases. In others? Women know that when they have sex there is a chance of becoming pregnant. They can lower that chance through various means, but it is only zero if they or their partner are sterile.  In most cases, they know the risk beforehand and go ahead. So it is only reasonable that they should accept the results.

[Tug]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You bit

Naaa just stole your bait lol ???? 

[EVENKEEL]

On 7/21/2023 at 3:39 AM, Jingthing said:

He resigned because he's the opposite of a scum bag.

 

Anyway, the topic isn't Franken. The point was two scotus seats were STOLEN.

 

The scum bags in this story are the republicans who stole two seats and destroyed the legitimacy of the court. Current day republicans are enemies of democracy.

 

 

 

 

 

Schumer's an idiot, 

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Schumer's an idiot, 

That's all you got. Sleazy ad hominem.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Not at all. It just threw the issue back to the 50 states where it belongs. Women do have autonomy over reproduction. They can choose abstinence, birth control, adoption, or motherhood. The only option they cannot choose, at least in some states, is to kill the child growing inside them. The child that they chose to create.

 

Now, before you go off on the "what about rape and incest" tangerine, I would fully make exceptions in those cases. In others? Women know that when they have sex there is a chance of becoming pregnant. They can lower that chance through various means, but it is only zero if they or their partner are sterile.  In most cases, they know the risk beforehand and go ahead. So it is only reasonable that they should accept the results.

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you and apparently to no avail, women whose pregnancy in some ways endangers them, are encountering obstacles to getting an abortion  in states that have sharply restricted abortions because doctors don't want to run the risk of losing their licenses, being sued by freelance private citizens, and even facing jail time.

And, of course, you choose the word "child" whereas pro-choice people use the word fetus. And before you go on obout termininating pregnancies in the last 3 months, as you should well know by now, most pregnancies are terminated in the first 3 months. most pregnancies are terminated in the first 3 months. Roe v Wade specifically exempted independently viable fetuses from its ruling. In cases where late term abortions are performed it's because either the fetus isn't viable, or it has already died, or it is endangering the health of the mother. Yet these womem are finding it increasingly difficult to get abortions.

And there's this:

Abortion ban states see steep drop in OB/GYN residency applicants

States that have enacted abortion bans saw a 10.5 percent drop in applicants for obstetrics and gynecology residencies in 2023 from the previous year, according to new data from the Association of American Medical Colleges.

That decline carries a potential long-term impact on the availability of doctors to care for pregnant people and deliver babies across a large swath of the South and Midwest because medical residents often choose to stay and work where they trained.

“Everybody is saying they knew this would happen, but this is concerning,” said Atul Grover, who leads the association’s Research and Action Institute to examine the most pressing issues affecting American health care. 

https://archive.ph/E7QaH

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/04/21/abortion-ban-states-obgyn-residency-applications/

[EVENKEEL]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's all you got. Sleazy ad hominem.

 

 

I'm a man of few words. But I know most liberals prefer long drawn out speeches. Sorry.

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you and apparently to no avail, women whose pregnancy in some ways endangers them, are encountering obstacles to getting an abortion  in states that have sharply restricted abortions because doctors don't want to run the risk of losing their licenses, being sued by freelance private citizens, and even facing jail time.

And, of course, you choose the word "child" whereas pro-choice people use the word fetus. And before you go on obout termininating pregnancies in the last 3 months, as you should well know by now, most pregnancies are terminated in the first 3 months. most pregnancies are terminated in the first 3 months. Roe v Wade specifically exempted independently viable fetuses from its ruling. In cases where late term abortions are performed it's because either the fetus isn't viable, or it has already died, or it is endangering the health of the mother. Yet these womem are finding it increasingly difficult to get abortions.

And there's this:

Abortion ban states see steep drop in OB/GYN residency applicants

States that have enacted abortion bans saw a 10.5 percent drop in applicants for obstetrics and gynecology residencies in 2023 from the previous year, according to new data from the Association of American Medical Colleges.

That decline carries a potential long-term impact on the availability of doctors to care for pregnant people and deliver babies across a large swath of the South and Midwest because medical residents often choose to stay and work where they trained.

“Everybody is saying they knew this would happen, but this is concerning,” said Atul Grover, who leads the association’s Research and Action Institute to examine the most pressing issues affecting American health care. 

https://archive.ph/E7QaH

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/04/21/abortion-ban-states-obgyn-residency-applications/

There's also this:

 

Report: Texas' strict abortion ban linked to over 10% spike in infant deaths

Why it matters: Texas' ban, which was the strictest in the U.S. at the time of its enactment, may be driving the increase in infant deaths by forcing people to carry nonviable pregnancies to term.

In 2021, Texas effectively made abortions illegal after six weeks of pregnancy — before most people know they are pregnant.

The ban, which did not include any exceptions for rape or incest, allowed private citizens to sue abortion providers and those who assist patients seeking an abortion.

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/20/texas-abortion-ban-infant-mortality-rate

 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm a man of few words. But I know most liberals prefer long drawn out speeches. Sorry.

In this case a few worthless words that didn't address the content. 

[Emdog]

I suggest removing the labeling of court as "conservative": thanks to Trump appointments, they are anything but conservative. One of the basic tenets of conservatism in minimal government interference with citizens lives, "That which governs least governs best". A conservative would take the view "it's none of the governments business whether a woman has an abortion or not. It's between her and her doctor". They also believe in precedent... Brett swore under oath at his confirmation that Roe v Wade was "settled case law". He was lying.

Republicans have been belly aching about "activist courts" for decades, but this court has been doing it's own "legislating from the bench" and we have hear nary a squeak.

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23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm a man of few words. But I know most liberals prefer long drawn out speeches. Sorry.

All rational people, conservative or liberal, prefer reasoning to insults. And it seems that to you any sentence that contains more than three words (4 if you count "Schumer's" as 2) is a long drawn-out speech. 

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, Emdog said:

I suggest removing the labeling of court as "conservative": thanks to Trump appointments, they are anything but conservative. One of the basic tenets of conservatism in minimal government interference with citizens lives, "That which governs least governs best". A conservative would take the view "it's none of the governments business whether a woman has an abortion or not. It's between her and her doctor". They also believe in precedent... Brett swore under oath at his confirmation that Roe v Wade was "settled case law". He was lying.

Republicans have been belly aching about "activist courts" for decades, but this court has been doing it's own "legislating from the bench" and we have hear nary a squeak.

That's because the claim that the court is "legislating from the bench" is a lie. Roe V Wade was legislating from the bench, as was affirmative action. The left can make aborting children until their 18 legal if they want to, they just have to do it through legislation, not through the court, at least until they pack it. 

[Trippy]

8 minutes ago, Emdog said:

I suggest removing the labeling of court as "conservative": thanks to Trump appointments, they are anything but conservative. One of the basic tenets of conservatism in minimal government interference with citizens lives, "That which governs least governs best". A conservative would take the view "it's none of the governments business whether a woman has an abortion or not. It's between her and her doctor". They also believe in precedent... Brett swore under oath at his confirmation that Roe v Wade was "settled case law". He was lying.

Republicans have been belly aching about "activist courts" for decades, but this court has been doing it's own "legislating from the bench" and we have hear nary a squeak.

I agree it's only between a patient and their doctor what someone does with their body, but at what point does the baby have a right to life? 

A friend of mine had 2 babies both premies, one born a week before the 6 month mark and one a week after, both kids are now healthy normal intelligent children. if she had an abortion at 6 months isn't that murder?