Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[James Roderick]

7 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Trumps not the only Republican caught with his fingers in the Till so to speak, and covering up official Doccs as you rememember Nixon ( Also Republican ) ordered his stooges to burgle the Watergate offices and remove evidence that was about to impeach him ie Tapes. Once rumbled he made a groveling speach on TV then threw the towel in. Trumps cut from the same cloth as Tricky Dickie.

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The Watergate break-in had nothing to do with Nixon's tape recordings !! You really should go back and read what Wategate was all about ! 

[LosLobo]

Beside the 2024 Election, Trump will have a full calendar over the next 12 months.

 

He has the pending indictment for a Georgia Criminal trial , the Classified Documents trial, the Manhattan Criminal trial, and this, the 2020 Election trial.

 

A lot of his campaign staff will also be witnesses in these trials.

 

I would suggest that he will not be able to give 'justice' to all of them and will be 'a master of none' and someone or 'something has gotta give'.

 

'At least seven currently serving advisers to former president Donald Trump took actions that are mentioned prominently in one of his three criminal indictments or have been interviewed by prosecutors, potentially setting up uncomfortable situations in which they are working for his 2024 presidential bid while also serving as witnesses at one of his upcoming trials.

 

Top Trump aides may be trial witnesses, setting up awkward situations - The Washington Post (archive.md)

Edited August 5, 2023 by LosLobo

[Walker88]

trump should already be in jail awaiting trial for the stolen classified documents.

 

Some 21 year old kid at Otis Air Force base on Cape Cod had much less sensitive docs and he was jailed pending trial.

 

trump stole, then lied about, documents classified TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD, yet he gets to walk free.

 

Jail him.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the 04AUG23 GOVERNMENT’S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER as referenced above:

 

The Government’s proposed order is consistent with other such orders commonly used in this District and is not overly restrictive. It allows the defendant prompt and effective use of discovery materials in connection with his defense, including by showing discovery materials to witnesses who also agree to abide by the order’s terms.

 

All the proposed order seeks to prevent is the improper dissemination or use of discovery materials, including to the public. 

Yes its commonly used but not with these added reasons:

 

All the proposed order seeks to prevent is the improper dissemination or use of discovery materials, including to the public. Such a restriction is particularly important in this case because the defendant has previously issued public statements on social media regarding witnesses, judges, attorneys, and others associated with legal matters pending against him. And in recent days, regarding this case, the defendant has issued multiple posts—either specifically or by implication—including the following, which the defendant posted just hours ago: 

If the defendant were to begin issuing public posts using details—or, for example, grand jury transcripts—obtained in discovery here, it could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case. 

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23898465/protectiveorder.pdf

[Bkk Brian]

It would leave only the hardcore cult members:

 

EXCLUSIVE-About half of US Republicans could spurn Trump if he is convicted -Reuters/Ipsos poll

About half of Republicans would not vote for Donald Trump if he were convicted of a felony, a sign of the severe risks his legal problems pose for his 2024 U.S. presidential bid, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll that closed on Thursday.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/exclusive-about-half-of-us-republicans-could-spurn-trump-if-he-is-convicted-reuters-ipsos

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, bignok said:

Oh dear. They have tried for 50 years.

 

 

Not like the Russians did in 2016. Using polling data handed to them by Trump's campaign manager, the Russians micro targeted voters to, if not vote for Trump, stay home on election day.

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, bignok said:

More waffle. Yanks vote not foreigners.

because you are not worried about foreigners meddling in US elections.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the 04AUG23 GOVERNMENT’S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER as referenced above:

 

The Government’s proposed order is consistent with other such orders commonly used in this District and is not overly restrictive. It allows the defendant prompt and effective use of discovery materials in connection with his defense, including by showing discovery materials to witnesses who also agree to abide by the order’s terms.

 

All the proposed order seeks to prevent is the improper dissemination or use of discovery materials, including to the public. 

Can you please provide a link to the source of the text you are quoting.

I’d like to read the bits you aren’t quoting.

 

[watthong]

Re Trump's possible plea of "innocence:" Even if you think the bank has cheated you on your account, AND even if the bank has indeed done such thing, that doesn't give you the right to go in and rob it.

 

Translated to = even if Trump believed there was fraud in Georgia election, AND even if there indeed was fraud in Georgia election, that doesn't give him the right to coerce Raffensberger into giving him extra 11xxx votes.

 

Additionally, the 1st amendment doesn't work when you tell the bank teller to stick it up! No free speech protection in that instance, sorry.

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, bignok said:

Prior to 2016 nobody spent 3 years whining about foreign influence in elections.

 

It only happened in modern times by Democrat supporters.

 

Thanks bye.

I think both Walker 88 and Tug have summed all of this up much better than I ever could. It is quite astounding that people who dare to call themselves patriots have not appreciated the true patriots in America who have sacrificed their own careers in trying to either block this man or at least call him out. 
Time and time again senior professionals from the military, economic world,  intelligence community and (some) from the political arena (even R) have gone out of their way to tell you just how dangerous this man is. None are surprised he still denies he lost the last election; none are surprised he tried an insurrection; none are surprised he bribed a porn star, defrauded his own charity and let’s state secrets out in casual chat. 
I hope he is jailed. For a long time. So long that people might be cured of whatever the hell it was that made them think he was the solution to Americas problems. 

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

all of which was more of telling everyone how great he was.

He has to tell people how great he is because otherwise they wouldn't know it. 

 

24 minutes ago, watthong said:

Re Trump's possible plea of "innocence:" Even if you think the bank has cheated you on your account, AND even if the bank has indeed done such thing, that doesn't give you the right to go in and rob it.

This whole business that DT is caught in a mind [beep] that he actually believed he won and the election was stolen from himself is countered by the "keep re-counting until the numbers are in my favor" plot and fake electors scheme.  Some of the people doing the fake elector chores were not very bright and didn't really know what they were doing; I recall one fellow the media intercepted on the morning of 1/6 said something like "All I know is I'm here to . . ." and then he read a statement that he apparently didn't understand.  This is the core of the whole MAGA initiative: people who are dumb enough to follow whatever their messiah says.

Another is the "election is rigged" claim.  He started with this a few weeks before the 2016 election.  I think someone/some gov't agency should have followed up on that after he won, asking the then president-elect to tell them about it and how he knows.  To me this was the first hint that they had no plans on taking him to task for his stunts.  No one has been known to pursue the inauguration grift, with so many Russians present and the $$$ they paid to be there.  Then in 2020 he started playing the "rigged election" record again.

Once he is taken to task it is possible DOJ could go back to the 2016 Russia influence and Barr's interception of the report on that: Billy boy could end up wearing orange, and he is well aware of it, hence his eagerness to pile on DT these days.

 

[watthong]

28 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I hope he is jailed. For a long time. So long that people might be cured of whatever the hell it was that made them think he was the solution to Americas problems. 

I hope so too...However for the moment Trump is still at liberty to post threats  to and slander on social media governement officials who are persecuting him according to the laws of the land. Where is the slap in the face, or pair of handcuffs that he so deserves?

[ozimoron]

Jack Smith has applied for a protective order following this last threat. Trump has until 5pm Monday to respond. Similar orders were made in both the Stormy and the documents cases.

[watthong]

33 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Once he is taken to task it is possible DOJ could go back to the 2016 Russia influence and Barr's interception of the report on that: Billy boy could end up wearing orange, and he is well aware of it, hence his eagerness to pile on DT these days.

 

I have my eyes set on Barr back since Mueller days...I would fly back 1st class to be in the court room just to watch him blink like a schoolgirl when the questioning gets tough!

[watthong]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

It is quite astounding that people who dare to call themselves patriots have not appreciated the true patriots in America who have sacrificed their own careers in trying to either block this man or at least call him out. 
Time and time again senior professionals from the military, economic world,  intelligence community and (some) from the political arena (even R) have gone out of their way to tell you just how dangerous this man is.

A list of those unsung heroes name could be quite long - Just off the top of my head:
- Special prosecutor Mark Pomerance and general counsel Carrie Dunn of NY DA office both resigned when Cy Vance dropped the ball on  Trump and Co tax fraud charges.
- Former US embassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch  was unceremoniously sent packing for standing in Giuliani's way.
Also Alex Vindman, Miles Taylor and whole host of others...as Trump only hired the "best people."

[Walker88]

43 minutes ago, watthong said:

A list of those unsung heroes name could be quite long - Just off the top of my head:
- Special prosecutor Mark Pomerance and general counsel Carrie Dunn of NY DA office both resigned when Cy Vance dropped the ball on  Trump and Co tax fraud charges.
- Former US embassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch  was unceremoniously sent packing for standing in Giuliani's way.
Also Alex Vindman, Miles Taylor and whole host of others...as Trump only hired the "best people."

You have to add VP Mike Pence, who did not cave, faced threats, yet still did his job. I'm not otherwise a fan of his, but he stood tall when it counted. Add Brad Raffensperger of Georgia and the Speaker of AZ House.

 

And all the Capitol police who stood firm against the terrorists on 6 January. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for putting country over political ambitions.

[scorecard]

On 8/2/2023 at 8:16 AM, Berkshire said:

If we can get every Republican voter to read the indictment, then we would have an informed electorate.  Of course, most of said voters do not want to be informed.

But first question: can they read English?

[pomchop]

2 hours ago, watthong said:

I hope so too...However for the moment Trump is still at liberty to post threats  to and slander on social media governement officials who are persecuting him according to the laws of the land. Where is the slap in the face, or pair of handcuffs that he so deserves?

Seems trump who as always is concerned ONLY with himself has a few options he may try to play to stay out of jail.

 

1.  Try and win the election then pardon himself.  Problem is self pardon would go to supreme court where it is conceivable that he would lose in spite of appointing 3 of the 9 justices...and of course if that were to happen it would be rigged and here we go again.  Problem two: A president cannot pardon himself from state crimes.  If NY and GA convict and sentence him to jail he would need a republican gov in both states to pardon him.  Not likely

 

2. Try and bribe or intimidate jurors by having his supporters threaten them with violence against them and their entire family if they vote to convict....you know like a mob boss or cartel leader would do.  Sugar or lead.

 

3.  Encourage his cult to try and storm the courts to disrupt the trials or storm the  prison/jail to free him.  

 

4.  Flee the country and go hang with his buddy Putin in exile and share with him every single secret he knows re US military, nukes, etc possibly providing copies of stolen top secret info.

 

5.  Start a civil war to disrupt the entire country hoping his deranged supporters would take to the streets to kill anyone who dares to oppose him and take over as a dictator then kill or imprison any and all who have ever crossed him.

 

Sadly republicans seem to think this is all some video game with no clue that their support of such a man could result in violence that has not been seen in USA since the civil war...

[bendejo]

There was a similar thing when Manafort was under house arrest and was telephoning witnesses etc.  I may have missed some coverage, but I do not recall any comment stronger than "ooo, he's not supposed to do that!" nor any action taken.  Same with Roger Stone. 

The two that I would really like to see taken to task are Stone and Bannon.  If you are looking for where these plots originated, like getting the VP to usurp the electoral process and intimidate the poll workers, and the brazen "we just say 'we won and f___ you'"  the one to point at is Bannon. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-stone-tells-trump-supporters-claim-victory-no-matter-what-2022-10?op=1

 

 

[earlinclaifornia]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

You have to add VP Mike Pence, who did not cave, faced threats, yet still did his job. I'm not otherwise a fan of his, but he stood tall when it counted. Add Brad Raffensperger of Georgia and the Speaker of AZ House.

 

And all the Capitol police who stood firm against the terrorists on 6 January. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for putting country over political ambitions.

American Heros when USA needed it most. 

[jerrymahoney]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you please provide a link to the source of the text you are quoting.

I’d like to read the bits you aren’t quoting.

 

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23898465/protectiveorder.pdf

[jerrymahoney]

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes its commonly used but not with these added reasons:

True but I have been told by mods that even with a public non-copyrighted document I can only post 3 sentences plus heading.

[Tug]

More encouraging stuff did anyone notice how tepid the support was during old Donnie’s most recent arrest?Ill bet Donnie did!as far as Donnie scampering (wallowing) off to Putin’s warm embrace I don’t think that would last long.any info he would /could give would be tainted by his mental illness most likely of little use now if he has thumb drives of real info that’s a problem.my guess is Putin would arrange an accident as soon as he’s given up what he has,and most likely bill us to get the carcass back for burial 

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

More encouraging stuff did anyone notice how tepid the support was during old Donnie’s most recent arrest?Ill bet Donnie did!as far as Donnie scampering (wallowing) off to Putin’s warm embrace I don’t think that would last long.any info he would /could give would be tainted by his mental illness most likely of little use now if he has thumb drives of real info that’s a problem.my guess is Putin would arrange an accident as soon as he’s given up what he has,and most likely bill us to get the carcass back for burial 

You do realize the Trump Russia collusion you are TWICE referring to in this post has been debunked long ago? You knw it was, I guess some narratives are just too beneficial to dump even when we know they are disinformation. Why does the forum left keep attacking Trump over the hoaxes their side concocted to smear him(this week we had someone attacking him for the false claim he cleared a street for a photo op too and many others)? 

 

"The Russia-Trump collusion narrative of 2016 and beyond was a dirty trick for the ages, and now we know it came from the top—candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. That was the testimony Friday by 2016 Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in federal court, and while this news is hardly a surprise, it’s still bracing to find her fingerprints on the political weapon."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709

 

while this news is hardly a surprise!!!! Was it a surprise for you, Tug?

 

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

You have to add VP Mike Pence, who did not cave, faced threats, yet still did his job. I'm not otherwise a fan of his, but he stood tall when it counted. Add Brad Raffensperger of Georgia and the Speaker of AZ House.

 

And all the Capitol police who stood firm against the terrorists on 6 January. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for putting country over political ambitions.

It is admirable the way they stood up, distinguishing themselves from the invertebrates in their party.  I sure as hell wouldn't vote for any of them unless my back was against the wall and the alternative was a MAGA dementado.

Pence took me by surprise with that statement he made on Friday.  Did he ingest Miracle Grow and it affected his scrotum?

Once the GOP resigns themselves to losing in 2024, they just might throw DT out in order to NOT go down in history as the party that re-ran a twice impeached ex-president under a load on indictments.  I think this is why so many have thrown their hats in the ring, I still think the GOP may have an open convention.

 

[Tug]

31 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You do realize the Trump Russia collusion you are TWICE referring to in this post has been debunked long ago? You knw it was, I guess some narratives are just too beneficial to dump even when we know they are disinformation. Why does the forum left keep attacking Trump over the hoaxes their side concocted to smear him(this week we had someone attacking him for the false claim he cleared a street for a photo op too and many others)? 

 

"The Russia-Trump collusion narrative of 2016 and beyond was a dirty trick for the ages, and now we know it came from the top—candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. That was the testimony Friday by 2016 Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in federal court, and while this news is hardly a surprise, it’s still bracing to find her fingerprints on the political weapon."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709

 

while this news is hardly a surprise!!!! Was it a surprise for you, Tug?

 

Huh?

[pomchop]

1 hour ago, earlinclaifornia said:

American Heros when USA needed it most. 

And then there is Lying Limp Lyndsey Graham who on Jan 6 was DONE with trump then gave him a BJ and has kissed his rear end ever since....and of course Ted "cancun" Cruiz who cuddles up to a man who said his dad was involved in JFK assination.....then there is Kevin "marjorie" McCarthy who has the integrity of George Santos and the backbone of a jelly fish....and "tiny penis" Marco 

Rubio who seems to have a man crush on trump who would not throw him a life raft if he was drowning in the Mar a Largo pool.

 

Pence finally did do the right thing after 4++ years of being a bobble head and licking donalds rear end and having trumpers want to hang him...i suspect in the end he did decide that just maybe he should follow the law for a change rather than end up in a jail cell.   I am not convinced it was because he suddenly figured out that his great "religious" beliefs and "constitutional standards" and the rule of law demanded it.

 

And above is only a few of the more notable spineless cowards that have enabled the dictator wannabe despite knowing "that the emperor had no clothes" but did not and do not care as the only thing important to them is to stay in office....and of course trump would throw every one of the cowards under the bus in a heart beat if they should dare cross him even now .

 

Out of all the republican senators and congress there are not even a handful that has demonstrated even a tiny bit of integrity much less support for law and order and "chrisitanity" that they pretend to honor. 

 

Liz Cheney and Kinzinger and a tiny bit of Romney are the only onces  I can think of who have actually demonstrated that they are willing to put their country before their political ambitions. 

 
What a pathetic bunch of cowards and hypocrites hold office in the republican party.

[bignok]

48 minutes ago, bendejo said:

It is admirable the way they stood up, distinguishing themselves from the invertebrates in their party.  I sure as hell wouldn't vote for any of them unless my back was against the wall and the alternative was a MAGA dementado.

Pence took me by surprise with that statement he made on Friday.  Did he ingest Miracle Grow and it affected his scrotum?

Once the GOP resigns themselves to losing in 2024, they just might throw DT out in order to NOT go down in history as the party that re-ran a twice impeached ex-president under a load on indictments.  I think this is why so many have thrown their hats in the ring, I still think the GOP may have an open convention.

 

As opposed to the party who ran a guy with dodgy links overseas and massive memory problems who falls over a lot.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, pomchop said:

And then there is Lying Limp Lyndsey Graham who on Jan 6 was DONE with trump then gave him a BJ and has kissed his rear end ever since

Graham is a boot licker and a reprihensible human deing , every time I see him I am reminded of a caricature represented in comedies about   corrupt politician in the south ????

His moral compass is a weather vane. When he wakes up in the morning  he sticks his thumb  out the window  to see which way the wind blows and whos ass he needs to kiss. 

When he thought McCain was going to be president , he was his best friend , then even though trump was trashing McCain,  when it seemed like trump might win he became trump's best friend. Then when it looked like trump was finished he dumped trump but just as soon as he realised that he was not done  he reversed course and became trump's best friend again. 

 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You do realize the Trump Russia collusion you are TWICE referring to in this post has been debunked long ago? You knw it was, I guess some narratives are just too beneficial to dump even when we know they are disinformation. Why does the forum left keep attacking Trump over the hoaxes their side concocted to smear him(this week we had someone attacking him for the false claim he cleared a street for a photo op too and many others)? 

 

"The Russia-Trump collusion narrative of 2016 and beyond was a dirty trick for the ages, and now we know it came from the top—candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. That was the testimony Friday by 2016 Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in federal court, and while this news is hardly a surprise, it’s still bracing to find her fingerprints on the political weapon."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709

 

while this news is hardly a surprise!!!! Was it a surprise for you, Tug?

 

This is the highwater mark for , the ultimate scam perpetrated on the electorate! The coordinated effort to delegitimize a elected President , using msm and former intel agencies officials !

This is why many will always have Trumps back and why his  numbers continue growing!imop

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by riclag